Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[MidTennVol]

Steve Spurrier?

Steve Spurrier was actually born in Florida. Moved to Tennessee at a young age.

 

[BigOrangeGoose]

I forgot all the freshmen didnt have the vol walk last year!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

@Ulysees E. McGill

 

[crazyguy]

Looking forward to driving up to knoxville tomorrow. I'm anticipating a start like 2006 cal at UT, except that I fully expect us to put up 60+

 

[NMVol]

I never knew you were a tree hugger.

But your link definitely makes sense within your worldview

Can we declare a worst post of the year. Not Newt's, your's Bass. What are you thinking?

 

[Devo182]

I'm not sure I agree totally. Hurd could do things Kamara couldnt. Hurd was a good rb, Kamara is a great RB. They should have found a way keep them all involved and had them on the field at the same time. Ty Chandler couldn't carry Hurds jock from a impact perspective.

Impact is...Hurd carried for fewer yards per carry and received for fewer yards per reception than even Ty Chandler. His TD rate was once every 25 touches vs Chandler's one in 29. Because Hurd was a goalline type and Chandler had carries taken away near the goalline. Guess we could call all that even...and this is just comparing to Ty Chandler...far from a great...Kamara was clearly better, Dobbs was also better, Gray was more productive while here, as were John Kelly, Cedric Houston, Raijon Neal, and Arian Foster (both rate and volume for Foster) - since 2001. Lane and Riggs too (per play, though they had quite low TD rates). Tauren Poole is tied. In fact, Poole is the closest comparison there is to Hurd.

I think people just inflate what Hurd actually did because he so much looked the part. But he was never a top tier RB. Not a single season over even 5 ypc lol. And again by his JR year he was awful...3.7 ypc... It's just like the other myth always said by that bowl game announcer about how Hurd, being so big, would "lather up" as the game went on...but this was factually false. People just let their perceptions and false notions (big RBs wear defenses down and thus become better as the game goes along) run wild.

 

[BigOrangeGoose]

I expect we’ll be seeing this ALOT this season. I can’t wait!!!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Can we declare a worst post of the year. Not Newt's, your's Bass. What are you thinking?

LOL

 

[NMVol]

Impact is...Hurd carried for fewer yards per carry and received for fewer yards per reception. His TD rate was once every 25 touches vs Chandler's one in 29. Because Hurd was a goalline type and Chandler had carries taken away near the goalline. And this is just comparing to Ty Chandler...far from a great...Kamara was clearly better, Dobbs was also better, Gray was more productive while here, as were John Kelly, Cedric Houston and Arian Foster (both rate and volume for Foster).

I think people just inflate what Hurd actually did because he so much looked the part. But he was never a top tier RB. Not a single season over even 5 ypc lol. And again by his JR year he was awful...3.7 ypc... It's just like the other myth always said by that bowl game announcer about how Hurd, being so big, would "lather up" as the game went on...but this was factually false. People just let their perceptions and false notions (big RBs wear defenses down and thus become better as the game goes along) run wild.

Uh , then again maybe it was because he was within a few hundred yards of the all time UT rushing record?

 

[Smokeytom]

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Jerky?

 

[Nashvegas31]

Hoping to see a team with a lot of energy playing fast on both sides of the ball tomorrow. A team that looks to be having fun and plays like it. A team that dictates the style of play instead of the other way around. I can’t stand when a coach lets the other team dictate how you play. You should always try to insert your will on your opponent and if it doesn’t work you can adjust but don’t be like Nebraska and immediately throw out half your gameplan because a team lines up differently without even trying to get them out of that alignment. Heupel seems like a guy that is going to try like crazy to make a team play the way he wants them to play.

I hope they have the place rocking like it was when Butch was here. Say what you want but this place was rocking at times during his tenure. I personally like the Dj on sideline getting crowd and players into it. I liked the idea of a 3rd down song.

 

[volinexile17]

He was his freshman season. And no doubt Kamara was underutilized, but he wasn’t and has never been a workhorse. What made the SC game loss even worse after Hurd quit at halftime was Kamara being out after getting dinged up. Hurd did the heavy lifting in a scheme he didn’t fit.

One of the most annoying things about Butch was insisting on asking Hurd to run horizontal stretch plays off tackle. Didn’t have the Olinemen to make those plays, and it was obviously not Hurd’s strength. If they’d just used him one-cut downhill, both he and the offense would have so much more successful.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I expect we’ll be seeing this ALOT this season. I can’t wait!!!

The amount of deep shots he will get along with the easy catch and run stuff is going to be electric.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Hoping to see a team with a lot of energy playing fast on both sides of the ball tomorrow. A team that looks to be having fun and plays like it. A team that dictates the style of play instead of the other way around. I can’t stand when a coach lets the other team dictate how you play. You should always try to insert your will on your opponent and if it doesn’t work you can adjust but don’t be like Nebraska and immediately throw out half your gameplan because a team lines up differently without even trying to get them out of that alignment. Heupel seems like a guy that is going to try like crazy to make a team play the way he wants them to play.

I hope they have the place rocking like it was when Butch was here. Say what you want but this place was rocking at times during his tenure. I personally like the Dj on sideline getting crowd and players into it. I liked the idea of a 3rd down song.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Impact is...Hurd carried for fewer yards per carry and received for fewer yards per reception than even Ty Chandler. His TD rate was once every 25 touches vs Chandler's one in 29. Because Hurd was a goalline type and Chandler had carries taken away near the goalline. Guess we could call all that even...and this is just comparing to Ty Chandler...far from a great...Kamara was clearly better, Dobbs was also better, Gray was more productive while here, as were John Kelly, Cedric Houston and Arian Foster (both rate and volume for Foster) - since 2001.

I think people just inflate what Hurd actually did because he so much looked the part. But he was never a top tier RB. Not a single season over even 5 ypc lol. And again by his JR year he was awful...3.7 ypc... It's just like the other myth always said by that bowl game announcer about how Hurd, being so big, would "lather up" as the game went on...but this was factually false. People just let their perceptions and false notions (big RBs wear defenses down and thus become better as the game goes along) run wild.

Your false notion.... Record books say different. Gray does not touch Hurd, Kelly thats a negative too. Hurd was used as a bulldozer and quiet often was hit behind the line of scrimmage because we had terrible OL's. Quitting on his team was bad and I agree. But you are blowing smoke straight out your ass on this one. You can create bullsh1t stats to fit any agenda.

 

[peaygolf]

I think Spurrier had better results than Majors but Bobby Dodd might have been better than both.

Dodd was born in Va.

 

[daugag02]

Just rewatched the first drive from UCF's game with Cincinnati last year. Possession 1 started with slant, WR screen, mesh, deep out, and then a go route that should have been a TD but a bad throw. Ran the same go route again the next play and hit it.

That's basically what I'm expecting tomorrow night.

 

[NMVol]

Dodd was born in Va.

Because Pepper Rodgers lived in Memphis I checked to see where he was born. Atlanta.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I expect we’ll be seeing this ALOT this season. I can’t wait!!!

Also that was Jordan Battle that he smoked on that play. So yeh he’s going to do it to everyone else too because Battle is a 1st or 2nd round pick more than likely. That was a josh heupel type of route from the slot and Battle had concrete shoes on there.

 

[Devo182]

Not sure what is so hard to understand. Think of the coaching he had to overcome to become the second leading rusher in UT history! He would have been UT's all time leading rusher by a mile had he not been lied too.

That's just volume though. Not efficient production. Would you think it would have been a smart thing to keep pounding Hurd at 3.7 YPC if it means he makes it to x number of career yards? Of course not. Running him that much wasn't a positive.

Other options were all better:
Dobbs (better runner)
Kamara (much better runner)
Dobbs passing (much more efficient)

It's like saying JG was better than Shuler because he has more yards. It's an asinine argument just looking at volume stats blindly.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Rushing attempts. His best seasons in New Orleans were playing off Mark Ingram. How many 20+ carry games does he average?

Kamara is not a work horse by any definition.

 

[TheDeeble]

I'm not sure I agree totally. Hurd could do things Kamara couldnt. Hurd was a good rb, Kamara is a great RB. They should have found a way keep them all involved and had them on the field at the same time. Ty Chandler couldn't carry Hurds jock from a impact perspective.

Hurd could do one thing. Take the ball a bully his way for 3-5 yards. That was about it from a running perspective. He certainly wasn't a big play threat. He benefited from a lack of rbs and coaches that underutilized a future All Pro in Kamara.

Give other rbs in UTs past a freshman year of starting duties and Hurd wouldn't be in the top 10. Most of the good backs in the past 30 years didn't get starting carries till their sophomore/ junior year.

Cedric Wilson is one example. He had 1 less yard than Hurd but did it in 88 fewer carries. Why did he have fewer carries? Because his freshman year Travis Stephens was the starter. His sophomore/junior year he split carries with Jabari Davis. His senior year he split carries with Gerald Riggs Jr.

Hurd came at a time when we wanted to run the ball and he didn't have competition. Kamara came his sophomore year and history has proven the staff were morons for not getting Kamara the ball more.

 

[butchna]

One of the most annoying things about Butch was insisting on asking Hurd to run horizontal stretch plays off tackle. Didn’t have the Olinemen to make those plays, and it was obviously not Hurd’s strength. If they’d just used him one-cut downhill, both he and the offense would have so much more successful.

I remain convinced that DeBord wanted to implement a full season stretch of that small sample gameplan against Northwestern in the bowl game. Offset I mixed in with the spread. You could have fully utilized any of Hurd, Kamara or Kelly and prevented the defense from teeing off on Hurd with his slower initial burst. Butch reneged and we got maybe two plays out of it in 2016. Butch ended up losing both Hurd and DeBord and ultimately the team.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

One of the most annoying things about Butch was insisting on asking Hurd to run horizontal stretch plays off tackle. Didn’t have the Olinemen to make those plays, and it was obviously not Hurd’s strength. If they’d just used him one-cut downhill, both he and the offense would have so much more successful.

I always think it’s funny when people talk about arm chair coaches not knowing anything but sometimes there’s a complete dumbass on the field. How many people would have kicked that xp against Florida also? Zero

 

[Dudley Smith]

Hurd would have been a nice back in the 80's playing for Vince Dooley or Pat Dye. He wasn't a good fit as a RB for the modern game and I think he realized that himself, which is why he made himself into a WR.