Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[volsagain]

I don’t especially agree with your rate of progression, but agree with your view on how most fans expect linear progress that doesn’t always materialize.

Personally I think you shoot years 2-3 too high and year 4 too low. Beyond that, I don’t feel comfortable speculating. I need to see the dudes

We'll know more of what too expect after this signing class. Hope he can land most of the players that fits his style of play on offense and defense. Got to have big dbacks to fit his blitzing schemes.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

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lol that's really off-putting. I sounded kinda negative, there's a bumpkin in the office that won't shut up and it's annoying af. So I'll bite.

Even if we sign Wright, Pappoe, Gray, etc. on top of our current commits in this class, it's a heckuva foundation for sure, but we'll need to duplicate it in order to be legitimately dangerous in 2020. And by 'dangerous', I don't mean CFP-worthy. I mean 8-4/9-3 who will put a scare into the best teams (outside of Bama still probably unfortunately).

I'm in for the long haul with Pruitt. I like that he was picked by someone who actually knows what Tennessee football is about. I'm enjoying the ride like

 

[volatil]

Tebow hanging out with my old squadron was pretty cool.

VFA-192 SSHWFGD!!!!!

 

[nicksjuzunk]

lol that's really off-putting. I sounded kinda negative, there's a bumpkin in the office that won't shut up and it's annoying af. So I'll bite.

Even if we sign Wright, Pappoe, Gray, etc. on top of our current commits in this class, it's a heckuva foundation for sure, but we'll need to duplicate it in order to be legitimately dangerous in 2020. And by 'dangerous', I don't mean CFP-worthy. I mean 8-4/9-3 who will put a scare into the best teams (outside of Bama still probably unfortunately).

I'm in for the long haul with Pruitt. I like that he was picked by someone who actually knows what Tennessee football is about. I'm enjoying the ride like

I’m with it

 

[ChismsHeadband]

Don't know what city/state you live in, but a friend of mine was planning on offering 20% less than sticker on a Accord. Before he could, the salesman gave him 25% off. Don't think $500 below sticker is a good deal. Like the other poster said be prepared to walk away. It may help you to let the salesman know you are interested in more than one brand of car, even though you are really not. Helped me a lot.

If taxes and fees were included, it might be a good deal.

I work in regulatory advertising/brand stewardship for a couple top manufacturers, and that includes pricing standards.

These two manufacturers have their invoice price and are able to subtract national/regional cash incentives as the lowest price to advertise. I don't know a lot of how dealers operate (other than the horror stories of sh!tty dealers), but I doubt dealerships pay the full invoice price to the manufacturer. There's gotta be a bulk special.

For a $25,000 MSRP, invoice could be something like $22,500. Minus a model-year-end incentive of $1000 to $2500 depending on the model, the region's/national sales goals (not the individual dealer's sales) and how much inventory they need to move, and they could advertise like $5k off MSRP.

That's just advertising. If you walk into the dealership, or give them your info at some sort of tent event, sponsorship, whatever else, and depending on how desperate they are, you might be able to get a cheaper price, but I doubt it.

I hate dealerships, because everyone I know has had to haggle over freaking floor mats. The common 'bargain' from the salesman is "Oh yeah, I really had to work to convince our finance manager to get the floormats included".. Gimme a break, you condescending goatee'd salesshit.

 

[OrangeBlood4life]

What I do when buying a car.. show up to dealer. Tell salesman you been looking at cars for a few days. You have some prices already for the car you want .

Tell him , look I'm just ready to buy. If you can beat "x" dealership price on this car by even a dollar, I'll buy it right now..

Then he will say, well what is the price they have?

You say, " cant tell you that, because then you would just beat the price by as little as possible" or just something like that.

Now if they want to sell the vehicle , they will give the absolute best price because they dont know what other dealer offered.

If it seems like they didnt drop low enough. Just say , sorry, here is my number. If yall change your mind , you have maybe a couple hours before my purchase is made.

Walk away. Repeat at another dealer.
Just do a little research and act like you are serious.

 

[Paper_Towel]

I can't begin to list how much useful information I've screencapped from this website. @Freak could charge monthly just for all the info that's shared on this site.

 

[JacketVol]

I’m someone who believes it will take six years for us to get to stability and that we need to give Pruitt space. I think our trajectory could look something like this before we get to stability/elite status and we need to not panic in the middle years (our fans would crush pruitt in years 4 through 6 below):

Yr 1: 5-7
Yr 2: 8-5
Yr 3: 10-3
Yr 4: 7-6 (relying on youth; key players graduate)
Yr 5: 8-5 (key injuries derail us)
Yr 6: 11-2 (miss SEC championship by 1 game - loss to Florida on last second field goal)
Yr 7: 15-1 National champs (everyone returns, we are healthy, we catch breaks)
Yr 8: NCAA cancels football because we are so good they realize no one can compete with us.

I think many fans are expecting this and will call for Pruitt’s head if they don’t see this happening:
Yr 1: 7-6
Yr 2: 9-4
Yr 3: 11-3 (lost in SEC championship, win sugar bowl)
Yr 4: 12-2 (won SEC title; lost in first round of playoff)
Yr 5: 15-1 National champs

Because fans will call for Pruitt’s head when they don’t see the above happening, the next 10 or more years could look a lot like the last 10 or so years as we cycle through coach after coach after coach.

If butch had went 8-5 in year five, he would’ve still been in the sideline.

 

[jakez4ut]

it's not possible for everyone, but paying cash is king. when i bought my truck, i had a cashier's check in my pocket for the price i was willing to pay....already made out to the dealer......the sales guy thought that was a nice touch...lol.

i went, showed him the check, pointed to the truck........he wanted to add taxes, title etc...gave me the story about how he can't do this or that.

so i walked across the street, and got in the car.

dude came running across the street....sold it, out the door for the piece of paper in my pocket.

the only thing you have to be willing to do in any negotiation is to be willing to walk away. and trust me, those dealerships know who is, and who isn't, willing to do so.

 

[804VOL]

When was this released? I am not sure I can get that in Memphis.

Released at the brewery a week or two ago, and hit VA distribution this week. Was pretty limited (and pricey, $30 a four pack) from what I can tell, as my local shop only got three cases.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

it's not possible for everyone, but paying cash is king. when i bought my truck, i had a cashier's check in my pocket for the price i was willing to pay....already made out to the dealer......the sales guy thought that was a nice touch...lol.

i went, showed him the check, pointed to the truck........he wanted to add taxes, title etc...gave me the story about how he can't do this or that.

so i walked across the street, and got in the car.

dude came running across the street....sold it, out the door for the piece of paper in my pocket.

the only thing you have to be willing to do in any negotiation is to be willing to walk away. and trust me, those dealerships know who is, and who isn't, willing to do so.

Yeah we walked yesterday. We went through the Costco auto program which I won’t do again. You lose negotiation ability somewhat. ‘Twas the wife’s ideas. It was a good experience. That was my first really haggling a dealer.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yeah we walked yesterday. We went through the Costco auto program which I won’t do again. You lose negotiation ability somewhat. ‘Twas the wife’s ideas. It was a good experience. That was my first really haggling a dealer.

yeah, the no haggle price deal so many places have tried to go to is kind of a farce. dealing with car salesmen is like going to the dentist. it's just not fun for most people, and they use that against the consumer, as if htey're doing you a favor......meh.

they want to move inventory. now, they're not going to do it just for the sake of doing it........but if you have done your research, you should have a good idea of what is a good price for whatever it is you're buying, and if you have a reasonable offer, generally they're going to work with you.

last piece of advice, if you can stomach it, i'd always advise you to buy used cars. no matter how good a price you get on a new one, the minute you sign the paperwork and there's a title transfer, you lose thousands of dollars of equity that you'll never get back. buying used, even 3-4 years old, with fair mileage, you've at least let someone else pay the depreciation up to that point.

and most dealerships have a used inventory, they generally have much better margins on the used inventory and have more wiggle room on price.

just stay away from the "doublewide" used car dealerships you know like th "best used cars" or "buy here pay here, Jay's used cars"....you never know where they're getting those cars from. most of hte time, they're buying in bulk at auctions, and fixing them. and hate to say it, but some of htose folks are just plain crooked. they'll sell you a salvage title car, or flood vehicle and not blink.

but those are usually easy to spot now wiht all the VIN check sites there are now....so if you do buy used, use those services. and have a mechanic look at it before you buy. but you can save a TON of money buying a used car.....

 

[Vols4us]

Yeah we walked yesterday. We went through the Costco auto program which I won’t do again. You lose negotiation ability somewhat. ‘Twas the wife’s ideas. It was a good experience. That was my first really haggling a dealer.

Totally opposite from my experience with the Costco program. However, the vehicle I traded had been purchased from the same dealer years before. They knew it well having serviced it and gave me a premium above market on it to counter the more fixed Costco linked price of the new one. The dealer wanted to keep the relationship and it was clearly the best deal.

If you are trading for a different make/dealer, that situation probably would not work out as well.

 

[jakez4ut]

Totally opposite from my experience with the Costco program. However, the vehicle I traded had been purchased from the same dealer years before. They knew it well having serviced it and gave me a premium above market on it to counter the more fixed Costco linked price of the new one. The dealer wanted to keep the relationship and it was clearly the best deal.

If you are trading for a different make/dealer, that situation probably would not work out as well.

good post. i did the same thing with an Acadia i purchased several years ago. we bought it used, it was sitll under manufacturer warranty, and i purchased an extended warranty on it as well. well, the car was a lemon in the first year, we had 3 seperate warranty items repaired on the vehicle. ultimately , i went back to the same dealership, traded it on another one, and they did the same thing wiht the trade in.

 

[vol2002]

Nice to see VNR up early and prognosticating, and sorry if this diminishes your fan fiction..

We'll know it when we see it.

Or when South Carolina fans show up to our stadium with "Keep Jeremy Pruitt" shirts.

I actually believe the exact opopposite. I think the day we break through is the day our fans coalesce around firing a coach during a mediocre (7-5ish) year, and the AD sticks with that coach through the storm and they break through the next year.

I don’t think our fans on a whole make good assessments of talent or coaching in the moment, and we need people in charge that have a backbone to see through all that. The fans are the last people I trust to “know it when they see it.”

 

[vol2002]

I honestly don't expect either of these scenarios. I think that he will recruit well enough so that your Year 4 scenario of 7-6 is unlikely. We could have the occasional 8-5 year because of injuries but I think that the second scenario is more likely with the exception of NC in Year 5. I would take either of these scenarios, though, except your Year 8 one

I think there will be 7-6 years in there. Not sure when or how, but I think they will be there and we need to stick through it. That’s my ultimate point.

I’m convinced Tennessee is a program that needs stability before it can become elite.

I submit the last 35+ years of Tennessee football as my evidence.

 

[vol2002]

If butch had went 8-5 in year five, he would’ve still been in the sideline.

And maybe he should be here in that scenario. He didn’t so he’s not and that’s that!

 

[jakez4ut]

so my wish list goes something like this:

Pappoe
Eboigbe
Brown/haselwood (be happey withe either one honestly...)
Gray
Wright
Watson
To'ot'o

 

[volfanCLT]

I really think there are only 6 teams still realistically eligible for the CFB

Bama (lock)
Clemson (lock imo)
ND
Michigan
Oklahoma
WV (long shot)

Can’t see LSU, Wazzu, Georgia (due to playing Bama in SECCG) really standing much of a chance here

 

[engineerVOL]

If butch had went 8-5 in year five, he would’ve still been in the sideline.

Not IMO. He would have parlayed that, Cuonzo-style, into a different job. He wanted out.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I actually believe the exact opopposite. I think the day we break through is the day our fans coalesce around firing a coach during a mediocre (7-5ish) year, and the AD sticks with that coach through the storm and they break through the next year.

I don’t think our fans on a whole make good assessments of talent or coaching in the moment, and we need people in charge that have a backbone to see through all that. The fans are the last people I trust to “know it when they see it.”

Well put. I think it's an understatement to say our fans as a whole don't make good assessments of talent or coaching. Coach Fulmer is the type of alpha AD you need to have in today's environment IMO. Don't need some limp wrist like John Currie who will let a Haslam type tell him when he can and can't cut a fart.

 

[engineerVOL]

I actually believe the exact opopposite. I think the day we break through is the day our fans coalesce around firing a coach during a mediocre (7-5ish) year, and the AD sticks with that coach through the storm and they break through the next year.

I don’t think our fans on a whole make good assessments of talent or coaching in the moment, and we need people in charge that have a backbone to see through all that. The fans are the last people I trust to “know it when they see it.”

This is true. We all thought Currie was wheeling and dealing behind the scenes

 

[Vols4us]

Not IMO. He would have parlayed that, Cuonzo-style, into a different job. He wanted out.

This for sure. If the UNC job interested him, you know he wanted out.

 

[volatil]

Mullen just challenged Luginbill to a race in suits. I never knew he was that dorky.

 

[Crookruss]

Sal Sunseri looked like Fred Flintstone so maybe you're on to something.

Buddy Hackett, IMO