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What about Kratom based products. Similar to CBD, its natural and there are many types of ailments it helps alleviate.
I take Kratom and it works well for my normal pain level..it has been a Godsend, especially since the jackassess in charge haven't put it on the list...yet.

It doesn't help much at with extreme stretches like this....the only thing that ever touches it when it's this bad, is real painkillers.

It actually let up some this afternoon...finally..after 4-5 days.

Thank the Lord.
 
I've heard of it....no insurance and I don't think it would cover PRP if I did have insurance.
Insurance want cover the procedure it only cost him about 500.00 but did require x-rays which the insurance did cover. He was recommended to have knee replacement. He says he's better than he has been in years. He's retired and plays basketball 3or 4 times a week.
 
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Do like I did and get on and off regularly. If I could do that anybody can.

If you need painkillers to keep from wanting to die, or getting badly depressed because you've hurt so bad for so long...what the heck is worse?

It all depends on why and how you use it...period.
They had me on the fentanyl patch and 30mg oxycodone 3 times a day just to keep my pain levels around a 6 or 7. When I decided to try natural, non-addictive alternatives, coming off of those prescribed medications was much like how people have described coming off of heroine cold turkey. Then I still frequently had withdrawal symptoms for over a year. For me, personally, that was worse than the debilitating pain..... and like you I go through stretches that make life seem unbearable. I will take prescribed pain medications for up to 5 days during those times, but never again as daily maintenance.
 
Also can't take Gabapentin (Neurontin)...as a matter of fact there is a long list of over the counter meds like Benadryl that we can't have in our system...it is freaking stupid.

If you can't have legal over the counter drugs in your system, sounds like a lawsuit. That is beyond insane.
 
Also can't take Gabapentin (Neurontin)...as a matter of fact there is a long list of over the counter meds like Benadryl that we can't have in our system...it is freaking stupid.

You should be allowed therapuetic quantities of just about any RX. I really don't understand the recent fuss over gabapentin. I'm convinced they scheduled it because a lot of docs wrote it with regular pain killers because it's the only drug that really works for neuropathy but it's not a drug you get high off of. For ages, it was mainly used as a psychiatric med and no one thought it needed to be scheduled until it was used to treat pain along with opiates.

And while I understand you don't want drivers and machine operators intoxicated, that's a different issue altogether than people taking medication at home. But I've long thought that the drug-test norm we instituted in the 90s for mostly blue collar jobs was a load of horse manure.
 
Still think Fields has done enough to earn another year especially with the haul that they can get by trading down. Could be one of the biggest hauls ever for a number 1 pick. If fields still isn’t the answer next year, then fine. They’ll have a lot of picks, presumably more overall talent, and now a shot maybe at Caleb
I personally believe Bryce is special. He has a quality to throw accurately, avoid pressure, get rid of the ball in the nick of time, and run when necessary without taking big hits. He has every intangible and above average arm strength to boot. He has a football IQ off the charts and is a tough SOB. The Bears could draft Bryce and still get a flurry of picks for Fields. I know many of you play fantasy and watch the highlights and see what Fields can do. I like him. Is he good? Yes. Can he be very good in a year or two? Yes. Can he be elite? I'm not sure. Most GM's and new coaches want their guy. I would trade Fields to a team desperate for a QB and feels they have all other pieces in place. Miami, Oakland, Seattle, Detroit, Carolina, and Tennessee all have top 11 picks and would possibly deal that plus a 2 or 3 for Fields. If I could get that, I would trade Fields, Draft Bryce Young, and take the top OL remaining with the other first. Use the additional 2's and 3's to address LB. The Bears are also ridiculously low under the cap and can get the other help they need at DL and OL.
 
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I have no problem with using pain killers to have quality of life. I've been off and on them for years. I always take them as prescribed and I quit when they lose effectiveness...some people can not do that.

I have used Glucosamine and Condroiton for a long time..I don't knock them, but this pain is far beyond the help they provide.

I appreciate the thoughts.
Have you tried ice baths? Maybe you can at least minimize the duration of your inflammation so you can get back to a more manageable situation.
 
I personally believe Bryce is special. He has a quality to throw accurately, avoid pressure, get rid of the ball in the nick of time, and run when necessary without taking big hits. He has every intangible and above average arm strength to boot. He has a football IQ off the charts and is a tough SOB. The Bears could draft Bryce and still get a flurry of picks for Fields. I know many of you play fantasy and watch the highlights and see what Fields can do. I like him. Is he good? Yes. Can he be very good in a year or two? Yes. Can he be elite? I'm not sure. Most GM's and new coaches want their guy. I would trade Fields to a team desperate for a QB and feels they have all other pieces in place. Miami, Oakland, Seattle, Detroit, Carolina, and Tennessee all have top 11 picks and would possibly deal that plus a 2 or 3 for Fields. If I could get that, I would trade Fields, Draft Bryce Young, and take the top OL remaining with the other first. Use the additional 2's and 3's to address LB. The Bears are also ridiculously low under the cap and can get the other help they need at DL and OL.
Depending on how badly Seattle wants either Young or Anderson, that's my favorite scenario. Trade down to 3 and Seattle's own first rounder. Turn one or both of those into multiple other picks. Bryce Young and Willie Anderson are special...maybe generational. My Bears need a lot more than one guy and Fields doesn't net as big a haul to rebuild this team.
 
I personally believe Bryce is special. He has a quality to throw accurately, avoid pressure, get rid of the ball in the nick of time, and run when necessary without taking big hits. He has every intangible and above average arm strength to boot. He has a football IQ off the charts and is a tough SOB. The Bears could draft Bryce and still get a flurry of picks for Fields. I know many of you play fantasy and watch the highlights and see what Fields can do. I like him. Is he good? Yes. Can he be very good in a year or two? Yes. Can he be elite? I'm not sure. Most GM's and new coaches want their guy. I would trade Fields to a team desperate for a QB and feels they have all other pieces in place. Miami, Oakland, Seattle, Detroit, Carolina, and Tennessee all have top 11 picks and would possibly deal that plus a 2 or 3 for Fields. If I could get that, I would trade Fields, Draft Bryce Young, and take the top OL remaining with the other first. Use the additional 2's and 3's to address LB. The Bears are also ridiculously low under the cap and can get the other help they need at DL and OL.
I understand everything you’re saying. The problem is you really don’t know if Bryce can be elite either. That’s just the reality of drafting QBs. I do think if they end up trading fields it’s exactly as you said because of a new gm and coach. That being said though, with the haul you’ll be able to get for the pick, and the fact that you’re still far away from being a contender, the extra picks are too good to pass up imo
 
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Difference of opinion. I love the game and the NFL is fun to watch and bet on. Football is football.
This was one of the worst years in terms of on field product. Some really really bad teams, and I dont like watching the Eagles and Cowboys play. Prob my least fave teams.
 
I understand everything you’re saying. The problem is you really don’t know if Bryce can be elite either. That’s just the reality of drafting QBs. I do think if they end up trading fields it’s exactly as you said because of a new gm and coach. That being said though, with the haul you’ll be able to get for the pick, and the fact that you’re still far away from being a contender, the extra picks are too good to pass up imo
I agree. I guess for me I don't see Fields as a guy that can win big without a great team around him. I was wrong about Hurts though so there's that.
 
I agree. I guess for me I don't see Fields as a guy that can win big without a great team around him. I was wrong about Hurts though so there's that.
Hurts, aptly named. Homeskillet's days are numbered. He is such a leader & competitor, he doesnt know how to take the gas off.
 
He’s got 1 year left on his deal. If the Titans have a mediocre year next year and look like they are rebuilding of sorts, Henry may test free agency and you lose him for nothing. If Titans get offers for him this off season they’d be stupid not to listen.

I’ll go a step further. If the Titans can cut Henry for a minimal cap hit they need to do so.
 
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They had me on the fentanyl patch and 30mg oxycodone 3 times a day just to keep my pain levels around a 6 or 7. When I decided to try natural, non-addictive alternatives, coming off of those prescribed medications was much like how people have described coming off of heroine cold turkey. Then I still frequently had withdrawal symptoms for over a year. For me, personally, that was worse than the debilitating pain..... and like you I go through stretches that make life seem unbearable. I will take prescribed pain medications for up to 5 days during those times, but never again as daily maintenance.

That's not a dose they give you if they intend for you to come off of it. I'm glad that you made a choice that you're happy with but I think we make too many people jump through far too many hoops for pain relief. You said something earlier that struck me. You said, "they were turning me into an addict." I have two minds on this: 1. Your doctor or nurse should've explained the difference between dependence and addiction to you because it's super important. Dependence will happen to anyone on a prolonged dose of opiods/opiates as your body adjusts to the extra dopamine. Addiction is not dependence but most addicts are dependent.

And 2. You were right, they were turning you into an addict but what I mean by that is that the rules, pill counts, blood/urine tests, forms, suspicion, guilt, and general hoops they put people through just to get something that will help them function treats them like addicts instead of patients. It's dehumanizing and it turns treatment into a sentence when someone is chemically dependent on a drug to make them feel functional but must jump through all those hoops and worry about all the things that go along with it or that medication will be removed from them and they'll not only suffer the pain they'd suffer without it but the withdrawal experience you describe.

To me that's absolutely unacceptable. People right now have to choose between being sick full time and their jobs - even ones that don't take drug tests have to worry about monthly appointments and taking off work constantly. That's not right. It wasn't always this way and it shouldn't be today. Recreational users will always be around and this does nothing but harm regular people while not affecting people who experimenting or using for fun.
 
So nothing from the VQ crew on Campbell? Is Thornton the only post visit interview up from the weekend?
 
I’ll go a step further. If the Titans can cut Henry for a minimal cap hit they need to do so.
Haha love the thinking. People won’t like to hear that. Isn’t him leaving in free agency better then a straight cut? Maybe hurts the cap for this last season but also could probably get a decent comp pick because surely a dumb team would pay him nicely to sign. Not 100% sure how comp picks always work
 
I think there's a clear difference man. If its that bad, pretty sure thats what its there for.
I'm assuming you've never had to be on long term pain management. If your pain is real, there is no "high" from taking the medication, but it does provide relief from severe chronic pain. It allows many to have a functioning quality of life. You are not even aware that you've become chemically dependant unless you decide to leave pain management. People tend to equate addiction to prescription drugs as someone abusing them. That's not the case for an alarmingly large number of Americans. They take their medications as prescribed, but if that's necessary for extended periods the mind and body become dependant. Big Pharma intended it to be that way.
 
I'm assuming you've never had to be on long term pain management. If your pain is real, there is no "high" from taking the medication, but it does provide relief from severe chronic pain. It allows many to have a functioning quality of life. You are not even aware that you've become chemically dependant unless you decide to leave pain management. People tend to equate addiction to prescription drugs as someone abusing them. That's not the case for an alarmingly large number of Americans. They take their medications as prescribed, but if that's necessary for extended periods the mind and body become dependant. Big Pharma intended it to be that way.
My family is in the medical malpractice litigation field. Personal injury is a close relative.
 
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