Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[Rishvol]

I’d have to look at this. But, how could they have grown feathers if mutations do not add genetic info?

Because a mutation is a replacement not an addition. It changes on allele into a different allele

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Because a mutation is a replacement not an addition. It changes on allele into a different allele

But, from what I have read, which is the source of this discussion, mutations involve a loss of genetic material. Not the addition of genes that create something like feathers. But you’re arguing that new information is added. Saying a change happens does not mean that new information would not have to be added to create feathers on a reptile.

 

[T Dog]

That's due to selective breeding. 100% human led and it has absolutely no natural selection to it.

Have you ever listened to Paul Stamets. The most knowledgeable person on earth when it come to mushrooms. If you listen he says Mycelium is the largest single organism on Earth and that we all come from fungi or spores so that might be some type of evolution. I am going to find one and post it. It will expand your imagination for sure.

 

[Rishvol]

But, from what I have read, which is the source of this discussion, mutations involve a loss of genetic material. Not the addition of genes that create something like feathers. But you’re arguing that new information is added. Saying a change happens does not mean that new information would not have to be added to create feathers on a reptile.

Read up on microevolution.

 

[Rishvol]

Have you ever listened to Paul Stamets. The most knowledgeable person on earth when it come to mushrooms. If you listen he says Mycelium is the largest single organism on Earth and that we all come from fungi or spores so that might be some type of evolution. I am going to find one and post it. It will expand your imagination for sure.

Do it. I suck at mycology so it should be informative

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Read up on microevolution.

Even with micro, new information would have to be added to result in a change of species like a fish to a land animal or a Dino into a bird.

 

[T Dog]

 

[T Dog]

That's one lecture with Joe Rogan. He has tons more but I remember specifically watching this entire episode and was Truly blown away.

 

[T Dog]

Think I am about to rewatch it, it was soooo good.

 

[Rishvol]

Even with micro, new information would have to be added to result in a change of species like a fish to a land animal or a Dino into a bird.

Ok information isn't added it is changed. Look at roses. The genetic information is different for a white rose than it is for a red rose. Both roses but due to a mutation they now have different colors and those colors are passed down to the next generation. The argument for evolution (macroevolution) is that these mutations add up over countless generations to form different species

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Ok information isn't added it is changed. Look at roses. The genetic information is different for a white rose than it is for a red rose. Both roses but due to a mutation they now have different colors and those colors are passed down to the next generation. The argument for evolution (macroevolution) is that these mutations add up over countless generations to form different species

I don’t think this helps. A rose is a rose. Red, white, blue, yellow, it’s a rose. It won’t become an oak tree unless it adds significant information over those years and no mutation has ever shown to add information, only lose it.

 

[Rishvol]

I don’t think this helps. A rose is a rose. Red, white, blue, yellow, it’s a rose. It won’t become an oak tree unless it adds significant information over those years and no mutation has ever shown to add information, only lose it.

And there is your answer.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

And there is your answer.

What?

 

[Rishvol]

What?

Over a significant number of years is the reason. Small changes over a large amount of time.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Over a significant number of years is the reason. Small changes over a large amount of time.

So you’re saying that they do add information?

 

[Rishvol]

So you’re saying that they do add information?

I'm saying information changes. Nothing is added.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I'm saying information changes. Nothing is added.

But it would have to be added. Feathers or gills or everything that makes a man, that information has to be there. It wasn’t there before. It has to be added.

 

[Rishvol]

But it would have to be added. Feathers or gills or everything that makes a man, that information has to be there. It wasn’t there before. It has to be added.

Not added, changed. A phytoplankton have the same amount of DNA as a monkey. Their DNA is different because of changes according to evolutionist

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Not added, changed. A phytoplankton have the same amount of DNA as a monkey. Their DNA is different because of changes according to evolutionist

Okay. That’s the response then. Not added, but changed? I’ll look into it. Thanks.

 

[Rishvol]

Okay. That’s the response then. Not added, but changed? I’ll look into it. Thanks.

It takes a lot to wrap your head around it. That's why it's a famous saying that it takes more faith to be an evolutionist than a Christian. Which I personally find insulting because think it's an absence of faith that leads to evolutionist but that's something completely different

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

It takes a lot to wrap your head around it. That's why it's a famous saying that it takes more faith to be an evolutionist than a Christian. Which I personally find insulting because think it's an absence of faith that leads to evolutionist but that's something completely different

That question starts with a fallacy. It treats both positions as if they are based on blind faith. But neither side would agree with that. Both claim to be based on evidence.

 

[Rishvol]

That question starts with a fallacy. It treats both positions as if they are based on blind faith. But neither side would agree with that. Both claim to be based on evidence.

Well I know many Christians that will claim atheist are that way due to blind faith in science.

 

[volatil]

Everyone Loves Raymond was the Lebron James of sitcoms.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Well I know many Christians that will claim atheist are that way due to blind faith in science.

I’ve heard atheists say the same thing about Christians. Doesn’t help anyone to make those accusations. I’m not a Christian because I’m just closing my eyes and hoping for the best.

Both sides look at evidence, but we interpret the evidence through the lens of our worldview. That’s is true

 

[Big Sun]

Have you ever listened to Paul Stamets. The most knowledgeable person on earth when it come to mushrooms. If you listen he says Mycelium is the largest single organism on Earth and that we all come from fungi or spores so that might be some type of evolution. I am going to find one and post it. It will expand your imagination for sure.

Ive Read some stuff from Stamets and like it, but I’ve always heard that a large stand of quaking aspen was the largest single organism.

Also I like the Russian fox study. Droopy ears and mild mannerisms were traits that I recall.