Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[omghulkhands]

Links providing peer reviewed proof. Thanks.

Basics:

Causes of Climate Change | Climate Change Science | US EPA

Climate Forcing

Climate Impacts

Interactive: The impacts of climate change at 1.5C, 2C and beyond

Summaries/intros to AGW:

AR5 Synthesis Report: https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full.pdf

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...e-climate-science-didnt-get-credit-180961291/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160932716300308

The Discovery of Global Warming

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.2072

Global Warming Primer – by Jeffrey Bennett

Radiative forcing and the greenhouse gas effect:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010JD014287

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_05/

Absorption coefficient of carbon dioxide across atmospheric troposphere layer - PMC

http://centaur.reading.ac.uk/40552/1/aea526_pub2_submitted.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005JD006713

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wea.2072

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/PhysTodayRT2011.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14240

Global temperature reconstructions:

https://www.nature.com/articles/sdata201788

https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1797

https://www.researchgate.net/public...d_Global_Temperature_for_the_Past_11300_Years

https://epic.awi.de/id/eprint/46514/7/hollgmvar_preprint.pdf

Mayewski, P. A., Rohling, E. E., Stager, J. C., Karlén, W., Maasch, K. A., Meeker, L. D., ... & Lee-Thorp, J. (2004). Holocene climate variability. Quaternary research, 62(3), 243-255.

CO2 feedback processes:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19910003173.pdf

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/45/18087.full.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005GL025044

Earth's energy budget:

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/trenbert/trenberth.papers/BAMSmarTrenberth.pdf

https://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/documen...ion_Fri21Oct_Surface/62_Wild_surfaceCMIP5.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260208782_An_update_on_Earth's_energy_balance_in_light_of_the_latest_global_observations

Carbon cycle and carbon budgets:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_by_land_and_oceans_during_the_past_50_years

https://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/10/2141/2018/#&gid=1&pid=1

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005JD005888

CO2 related (atmospheric lifetime, rate of removal, etc.):

http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/geocarb/archer.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008JCLI2554.1

http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/geocarb/archer.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf

https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/6/3517/2006/acp-6-3517-2006.pdf

Anthropogenic contribution of CO2:

https://jancovici.com/en/climate-ch...e/wont-the-carbon-sinks-absorb-the-extra-co2/

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11299

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/9/3037

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere#Anthropogenic_CO2_emissions

Gerlach, T. (2011). Volcanic versus anthropogenic carbon dioxide. Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union, 92(24), 201-202.

Sea levels:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005GL024826

https://link.springer.com/article/1...lick&contentCollection=meter-links-click#CR23

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/E1434.full.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...WxCYAcIZ0_sV5WlGRvvpf6AmtJZ4ZY78pfE0gc3iNBCnE

Recent Arctic climate change:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-piecing-together-arctic-sea-ice-history-1850

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/E1434.full.pdf

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010JCLI3297.1

Yongi et al. (2015); "Arctic sea-ice decline during the satellite era is likely a consequence of multidecadal variation and anthropogenic forcing."

Bengtsson, L., Semenov, V. A., & Johannessen, O. M. (2004). The early twentieth-century warming in the Arctic—A possible mechanism. Journal of Climate, 17(20), 4045-4057.

Johannessen, O. M., Kuzmina, S. I., Bobylev, L. P., & Miles, M. W. (2016). Surface air temperature variability and trends in the Arctic: new amplification assessment and regionalisation. Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, 68(1), 28234.

Najafi, M. R., Zwiers, F. W., & Gillett, N. P. (2015). Attribution of Arctic temperature change to greenhouse-gas and aerosol influences. Nature Climate Change, 5(3), 246.

Notz, D., & Stroeve, J. (2016). Observed Arctic sea-ice loss directly follows anthropogenic CO2 emission. Science, 354(6313), 747-750.

Overland, J. E., Wang, M., & Salo, S. (2008). The recent Arctic warm period. Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, 60(4), 589-597.

Gao, Y., Sun, J., Li, F., He, S., Sandven, S., Yan, Q., ... & Suo, L. (2015). Arctic sea ice and Eurasian climate: a review. Advances in Atmospheric Sciences, 32(1), 92-114.

Deep ocean warming:

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010JCLI3682.1

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2016GL070413

Milankovitch cycles:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2006GL027817

Reconstructions/predictions of future solar activity, solar cycles, cosmic rays:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120008362.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...8580cf2dc24b3cc9b2c/Reconstruction-TSI-NA.pdf

https://www.swsc-journal.org/articles/swsc/pdf/2012/01/swsc120009.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/grl.50361

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010GL042710

https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/solar-activity/solar-cycle/historical-solar-cycles

Follow link 15 here for a big list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle#cite_note-ADS_serach-15

Arsenovic, P., Rozanov, E., Anet, J., Stenke, A., & Peter, T. (2018). Implications of potential future grand solar minimum for ozone layer and climate. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, 18, 3469-3483.

Javaraiah, J. (2017). Will Solar Cycles 25 and 26 Be Weaker than Cycle 24?. Solar Physics, 292(11), 172.

Steinhilber, F., & Beer, J. (2013). Prediction of solar activity for the next 500 years. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 118(5), 1861-1867.

Pierce, J. R. (2017). Cosmic rays, aerosols, clouds, and climate: Recent findings from the CLOUD experiment. Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres, 122(15), 8051-8055.

Svensmark, H. (1998). Influence of cosmic rays on Earth's climate. Physical Review Letters, 81(22), 5027.

Solanki, S. K., & Krivova, N. A. (2003). Can solar variability explain global warming since 1970?. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 108(A5).

Benestad, R. E. (2013). Are there persistent physical atmospheric responses to galactic cosmic rays?. Environmental Research Letters, 8(3), 035049.

Pierce, J. R., & Adams, P. J. (2009). Can cosmic rays affect cloud condensation nuclei by altering new particle formation rates?. Geophysical Research Letters, 36(9).

Carslaw, K. S., Harrison, R. G., & Kirkby, J. (2002). Cosmic rays, clouds, and climate. Science, 298(5599), 1732-1737.

Kristjánsson, J. E., J. Kristiansen, and E. Kaas. "Solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds and climate–an update." Advances in space research 34.2 (2004): 407-415.

Mass extinctions:

https://doc.rero.ch/record/210367/files/PAL_E4389.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...IbFDy0pCIFN3lM-D9zVC2_vvXJQ9i6D9GjBM6BmsNzIHU

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...volcanic-CO2-and-CH4-climatic-catastrophe.pdf

Fraiser, M. L., & Bottjer, D. J. (2007). Elevated atmospheric CO2 and the delayed biotic recovery from the end-Permian mass extinction. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, 252(1-2), 164-175.

Sea surface temperature paleothermometry:

https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-015-0074-1

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379113001698

https://www.whoi.edu/cms/files/hbenway/2006/6/BarkerQSR(2005)_11406.pdf

Deep time/other:

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...download/Phanero_Atm.CO2_Climate_ESR-2014.pdf

http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/4237/1/Vaughan_revised.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...OwsRoCezMwNps9Y-WlZ82pE5fjQNlHOyCgCGmKwJ_ncpE

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GL044499

Goddéris, Y., Donnadieu, Y., Le Hir, G., Lefebvre, V., & Nardin, E. (2014). The role of palaeogeography in the Phanerozoic history of atmospheric CO2 and climate. Earth-Science Reviews, 128, 122-138.

Godderis, Y., Donnadieu, Y., Maffre, P., & Carretier, S. (2017, December). Sink-or Source-driven Phanerozoic carbon cycle?. In AGU Fall Meeting Abstracts.

Van Der Meer, D. G., Zeebe, R. E., van Hinsbergen, D. J., Sluijs, A., Spakman, W., & Torsvik, T. H. (2014). Plate tectonic controls on atmospheric CO2 levels since the Triassic. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 111(12), 4380-4385.

PETM:

https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...mRJyBmKMnaVpypSHpJZID_6_P5gAQxdVKGgJ3mFqLtzmI

https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...ekw2dNxuht6cpywpUG-FNMr7ceZUY1fGeUPOaUA9RTQpw

 

[omghulkhands]

Yes it’s real
Yea we’re over reacting to it
They want you to follow the science but act like it’s only happening bc of humans when in reality earth has seen ice ages and been completely tropical
They have found tropical species fossils in Indiana where I live

Temp records have only been recorded for so long and back in the 20s and 30s when they had record hot and cold temps they didn’t politicize it like they do today

You’re right that Earth’s climate has undergone dramatic shifts over millions of years, including ice ages and tropical periods. And yes, fossil evidence shows that climates were vastly different in the past. However, the key difference today is the speed of change. what used to take thousands or millions of years is now happening in decades.

Temperature records only go back so far, but we have reliable ways to study past climates, like ice cores and tree rings, which confirm that the current warming trend is unprecedented in the context of human civilization. As for politicization, that happens with almost every major issue, but the core science itself isn’t about politics.

 

[screenthis]

I just wanted to raise my hand to say that I do believe climate change to be real. And humans are causing it.

Not to argue with you.

But just so other people can read this and know they aren’t alone.

ditto

 

[DD4ME]

Climate change is real. But the climate has always been changing. Has mankind sped it up? Probably. But the climate would change with or without man's interference. Not sure we can accurately measure just how much mankind has sped it up. But blaming humans as the sole cause of climate change would be inaccurate.

IMHO the issue is this topic (and many others) gets weapononized into black and white absolutes when the reality is very gray. I do respect @omghulkhands for saying what he did to say people aren't alone. I respect what you did to say hey it's not that simple also. Too often we point and ridicule the two perspectives of an issue when it is usually more nuanced. I love it when people can discuss differing views without animosity.

 

[screenthis]

Basics:

Causes of Climate Change | Climate Change Science | US EPA

Climate Forcing

Climate Impacts

Interactive: The impacts of climate change at 1.5C, 2C and beyond

Summaries/intros to AGW:

AR5 Synthesis Report: https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full.pdf

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...e-climate-science-didnt-get-credit-180961291/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160932716300308

The Discovery of Global Warming

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.2072

Global Warming Primer – by Jeffrey Bennett

Radiative forcing and the greenhouse gas effect:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010JD014287

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_05/

Absorption coefficient of carbon dioxide across atmospheric troposphere layer - PMC

http://centaur.reading.ac.uk/40552/1/aea526_pub2_submitted.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005JD006713

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wea.2072

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/PhysTodayRT2011.pdf

Observational determination of surface radiative forcing by CO2 from 2000 to 2010 - Nature

Global temperature reconstructions:

A global multiproxy database for temperature reconstructions of the Common Era - Scientific Data

Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia - Nature Geoscience

https://www.researchgate.net/public...d_Global_Temperature_for_the_Past_11300_Years

https://epic.awi.de/id/eprint/46514/7/hollgmvar_preprint.pdf

Mayewski, P. A., Rohling, E. E., Stager, J. C., Karlén, W., Maasch, K. A., Meeker, L. D., ... & Lee-Thorp, J. (2004). Holocene climate variability. Quaternary research, 62(3), 243-255.

CO2 feedback processes:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19910003173.pdf

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/45/18087.full.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005GL025044

Earth's energy budget:

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/trenbert/trenberth.papers/BAMSmarTrenberth.pdf

https://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/documen...ion_Fri21Oct_Surface/62_Wild_surfaceCMIP5.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260208782_An_update_on_Earth's_energy_balance_in_light_of_the_latest_global_observations

Carbon cycle and carbon budgets:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_by_land_and_oceans_during_the_past_50_years

https://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/10/2141/2018/#&gid=1&pid=1

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005JD005888

CO2 related (atmospheric lifetime, rate of removal, etc.):

http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/geocarb/archer.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008JCLI2554.1

http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/geocarb/archer.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf

https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/6/3517/2006/acp-6-3517-2006.pdf

Anthropogenic contribution of CO2:

https://jancovici.com/en/climate-ch...e/wont-the-carbon-sinks-absorb-the-extra-co2/

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11299

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/9/3037

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere#Anthropogenic_CO2_emissions

Gerlach, T. (2011). Volcanic versus anthropogenic carbon dioxide. Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union, 92(24), 201-202.

Sea levels:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005GL024826

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10712-011-9119-1?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click#CR23

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/E1434.full.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/310/5752/1293?casa_token=XwXFO_bSDeAAAAAA:8hNqZa6j-mAjscZwB7o4QKsYdknh2j4qY9WxCYAcIZ0_sV5WlGRvvpf6AmtJZ4ZY78pfE0gc3iNBCnE

Recent Arctic climate change:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-piecing-together-arctic-sea-ice-history-1850

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/E1434.full.pdf

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010JCLI3297.1

Yongi et al. (2015); "Arctic sea-ice decline during the satellite era is likely a consequence of multidecadal variation and anthropogenic forcing."

Bengtsson, L., Semenov, V. A., & Johannessen, O. M. (2004). The early twentieth-century warming in the Arctic—A possible mechanism. Journal of Climate, 17(20), 4045-4057.

Johannessen, O. M., Kuzmina, S. I., Bobylev, L. P., & Miles, M. W. (2016). Surface air temperature variability and trends in the Arctic: new amplification assessment and regionalisation. Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, 68(1), 28234.

Najafi, M. R., Zwiers, F. W., & Gillett, N. P. (2015). Attribution of Arctic temperature change to greenhouse-gas and aerosol influences. Nature Climate Change, 5(3), 246.

Notz, D., & Stroeve, J. (2016). Observed Arctic sea-ice loss directly follows anthropogenic CO2 emission. Science, 354(6313), 747-750.

Overland, J. E., Wang, M., & Salo, S. (2008). The recent Arctic warm period. Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, 60(4), 589-597.

Gao, Y., Sun, J., Li, F., He, S., Sandven, S., Yan, Q., ... & Suo, L. (2015). Arctic sea ice and Eurasian climate: a review. Advances in Atmospheric Sciences, 32(1), 92-114.

Deep ocean warming:

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010JCLI3682.1

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2016GL070413

Milankovitch cycles:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2006GL027817

Reconstructions/predictions of future solar activity, solar cycles, cosmic rays:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120008362.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...8580cf2dc24b3cc9b2c/Reconstruction-TSI-NA.pdf

https://www.swsc-journal.org/articles/swsc/pdf/2012/01/swsc120009.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/grl.50361

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010GL042710

https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/solar-activity/solar-cycle/historical-solar-cycles

Follow link 15 here for a big list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle#cite_note-ADS_serach-15

Arsenovic, P., Rozanov, E., Anet, J., Stenke, A., & Peter, T. (2018). Implications of potential future grand solar minimum for ozone layer and climate. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, 18, 3469-3483.

Javaraiah, J. (2017). Will Solar Cycles 25 and 26 Be Weaker than Cycle 24?. Solar Physics, 292(11), 172.

Steinhilber, F., & Beer, J. (2013). Prediction of solar activity for the next 500 years. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 118(5), 1861-1867.

Pierce, J. R. (2017). Cosmic rays, aerosols, clouds, and climate: Recent findings from the CLOUD experiment. Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres, 122(15), 8051-8055.

Svensmark, H. (1998). Influence of cosmic rays on Earth's climate. Physical Review Letters, 81(22), 5027.

Solanki, S. K., & Krivova, N. A. (2003). Can solar variability explain global warming since 1970?. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 108(A5).

Benestad, R. E. (2013). Are there persistent physical atmospheric responses to galactic cosmic rays?. Environmental Research Letters, 8(3), 035049.

Pierce, J. R., & Adams, P. J. (2009). Can cosmic rays affect cloud condensation nuclei by altering new particle formation rates?. Geophysical Research Letters, 36(9).

Carslaw, K. S., Harrison, R. G., & Kirkby, J. (2002). Cosmic rays, clouds, and climate. Science, 298(5599), 1732-1737.

Kristjánsson, J. E., J. Kristiansen, and E. Kaas. "Solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds and climate–an update." Advances in space research 34.2 (2004): 407-415.

Mass extinctions:

https://doc.rero.ch/record/210367/files/PAL_E4389.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/269/5229/1413?casa_token=GzniWMWvCG4AAAAA:wFQqarGqeKodGy2jvvOIMTtaoDeSUE3dcjIbFDy0pCIFN3lM-D9zVC2_vvXJQ9i6D9GjBM6BmsNzIHU

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...volcanic-CO2-and-CH4-climatic-catastrophe.pdf

Fraiser, M. L., & Bottjer, D. J. (2007). Elevated atmospheric CO2 and the delayed biotic recovery from the end-Permian mass extinction. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, 252(1-2), 164-175.

Sea surface temperature paleothermometry:

https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-015-0074-1

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379113001698

https://www.whoi.edu/cms/files/hbenway/2006/6/BarkerQSR(2005)_11406.pdf

Deep time/other:

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...download/Phanero_Atm.CO2_Climate_ESR-2014.pdf

http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/4237/1/Vaughan_revised.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/325/5941/710?casa_token=p5vCjmCKll4AAAAA:ry44Zj_Is8xwd5N__DaeuiVnCBViUIdJoBOwsRoCezMwNps9Y-WlZ82pE5fjQNlHOyCgCGmKwJ_ncpE

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GL044499

Goddéris, Y., Donnadieu, Y., Le Hir, G., Lefebvre, V., & Nardin, E. (2014). The role of palaeogeography in the Phanerozoic history of atmospheric CO2 and climate. Earth-Science Reviews, 128, 122-138.

Godderis, Y., Donnadieu, Y., Maffre, P., & Carretier, S. (2017, December). Sink-or Source-driven Phanerozoic carbon cycle?. In AGU Fall Meeting Abstracts.

Van Der Meer, D. G., Zeebe, R. E., van Hinsbergen, D. J., Sluijs, A., Spakman, W., & Torsvik, T. H. (2014). Plate tectonic controls on atmospheric CO2 levels since the Triassic. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 111(12), 4380-4385.

PETM:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/308/5728/1611?casa_token=LLHKEy_LGTUAAAAA:eZkayljzNfqRYx1u8zRAfWiXizQZ6JR8KNmRJyBmKMnaVpypSHpJZID_6_P5gAQxdVKGgJ3mFqLtzmI

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5650/1551?casa_token=lUSRKD79fhUAAAAA:bL2IMeaYCOdP_XnizSZ135rXoTkSpI6O9zekw2dNxuht6cpywpUG-FNMr7ceZUY1fGeUPOaUA9RTQpw

Oh man. Your going to bring research in to this conversation? I thought we were just going to discuss this sans facts.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

IMHO the issue is this topic (and many others) gets weapononized into black and white absolutes when the reality is very gray. I do respect @omghulkhands for saying what he did to say people aren't alone. I respect what you did to say hey it's not that simple also. Too often we point and ridicule the two perspectives of an issue when it is usually more nuanced. I love it when people can discuss differing views without animosity.

It's a serious topic and not cut and dried. When my 97 year old Mom is staying with us the climate in the house averages around 74 degrees. When it's just my wife and I it drops to around 70. Definitely caused by a human and happens at a rapid pace.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Earth’s climate has always undergone natural changes over long time scales due to factors like solar cycles, volcanic activity, and ocean currents.

No one has ever argued otherwise.

However, the current rate of warming is significantly faster than past natural shifts, and there is overwhelming scientific evidence that human activity are the dominant driver of this acceleration.

Absolutamente.

 

[DD4ME]

The stuff nobody likes to be truly honest about is how you deal with climate change mitigation.

The activist left would tell you we must go green in all we do. Chain ourselves to trees and walk etc.

The hard right would tell you it's all a myth and there's no proof or maybe cynically admit there is, but we can't truly stop it anyway so why try.

The tired middle would say yeah I'll pay to recycle my extra bin, but do you have to tax me and lecture me too?

They'd also point to this data when Greta Thornwhatever cries to the west about baby whales....

Over the past five years, China has significantly expanded its coal-fired power capacity. In 2024 alone, construction began on 94.5 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power plants, the highest annual figure since 2015. This surge is part of a broader trend: between 2015 and 2021, the initiation of new or resumed coal power plant construction in China decreased from 84.3 GW to 32.1 GW annually. However, starting in 2022, there was a notable increase, with 243 GW of coal-fired capacity either under construction or permitted by mid-2023.

This rapid expansion means that China has been building coal-fired power plants at a rate significantly higher than the rest of the world combined. In 2023, China was responsible for 95% of new coal power construction globally. This trend reflects China's strategy to meet its growing energy demands and ensure energy security, even as it simultaneously invests heavily in renewable energy sources.

I laugh at all the eco minded folks on their apple watch and apple phone watching documentaries on their apple air about how much methane a cow poops out. A lot of it reeks of the same hypocrisy that religion does, and we all know my stance on that. I can clearly see my kettle behind when I look at these pots.

 

[Vawlz]

The stuff nobody likes to be truly honest about is how you deal with climate change mitigation.

The activist left would tell you we must go green in all we do. Chain ourselves to trees and walk etc.

The hard right would tell you it's all a myth and there's no proof or maybe cynically admit there is, but we can't truly stop it anyway so why try.

The tired middle would say yeah I'll pay to recycle my extra bin, but do you have to tax me and lecture me too?

They'd also point to this data when Greta Thornwhatever cries to the west about baby whales....




I laugh at all the eco minded folks on their apple watch and apple phone watching documentaries on their apple air about how much methane a cow poops out. A lot of it reeks of the same hypocrisy that religion does, and we all know my stance on that. I can clearly see my kettle behind when I look at these pots.

What the eco-loons will never admit is that their own rhetoric is responsible for the negative view of global warming. The breathless headlines about how the world will end in 20 years, snow and the icecaps will disappear, the oceans will be too acidic to support life, and many other sensational. claims that did not come to pass have irreparably damaged their grift.

What’s their “solution”? Give us infinity dollars and your freedom to change the weather.

 

[SoilVol]

Oh man. Your going to bring research in to this conversation? I thought we were just going to discuss this sans facts.

Science?! Science is just what the elites use to brainwash everyone and control them! We still dont know how anything works and we haven't even been beyond the firmament yet! (Sarcasm)

 

[csprig9]

You’re right that Earth’s climate has undergone dramatic shifts over millions of years, including ice ages and tropical periods. And yes, fossil evidence shows that climates were vastly different in the past. However, the key difference today is the speed of change. what used to take thousands or millions of years is now happening in decades.

Temperature records only go back so far, but we have reliable ways to study past climates, like ice cores and tree rings, which confirm that the current warming trend is unprecedented in the context of human civilization. As for politicization, that happens with almost every major issue, but the core science itself isn’t about politics.

Earth has phases
We don’t know enough to honestly make a decision imo
Maybe we’re in a hotter phase but no one really knows to be honest and science on this subject is always skewed and interpreted in words that make who’s paying the said scientists checks correct on the subject

Luckily we’re in a warm phase bc I wouldn’t make it in an ice age lol

 

[MarcoVol]

Basics:

Causes of Climate Change | Climate Change Science | US EPA

Climate Forcing

Climate Impacts

Interactive: The impacts of climate change at 1.5C, 2C and beyond

Summaries/intros to AGW:

AR5 Synthesis Report: https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full.pdf

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...e-climate-science-didnt-get-credit-180961291/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160932716300308

The Discovery of Global Warming

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.2072

Global Warming Primer – by Jeffrey Bennett

Radiative forcing and the greenhouse gas effect:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010JD014287

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_05/

Absorption coefficient of carbon dioxide across atmospheric troposphere layer - PMC

http://centaur.reading.ac.uk/40552/1/aea526_pub2_submitted.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005JD006713

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wea.2072

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/PhysTodayRT2011.pdf

Observational determination of surface radiative forcing by CO2 from 2000 to 2010 - Nature

Global temperature reconstructions:

A global multiproxy database for temperature reconstructions of the Common Era - Scientific Data

Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia - Nature Geoscience

https://www.researchgate.net/public...d_Global_Temperature_for_the_Past_11300_Years

https://epic.awi.de/id/eprint/46514/7/hollgmvar_preprint.pdf

Mayewski, P. A., Rohling, E. E., Stager, J. C., Karlén, W., Maasch, K. A., Meeker, L. D., ... & Lee-Thorp, J. (2004). Holocene climate variability. Quaternary research, 62(3), 243-255.

CO2 feedback processes:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19910003173.pdf

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/45/18087.full.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005GL025044

Earth's energy budget:

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/trenbert/trenberth.papers/BAMSmarTrenberth.pdf

https://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/documen...ion_Fri21Oct_Surface/62_Wild_surfaceCMIP5.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260208782_An_update_on_Earth's_energy_balance_in_light_of_the_latest_global_observations

Carbon cycle and carbon budgets:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_by_land_and_oceans_during_the_past_50_years

https://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/10/2141/2018/#&gid=1&pid=1

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005JD005888

CO2 related (atmospheric lifetime, rate of removal, etc.):

http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/geocarb/archer.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008JCLI2554.1

http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/geocarb/archer.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf

https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/6/3517/2006/acp-6-3517-2006.pdf

Anthropogenic contribution of CO2:

https://jancovici.com/en/climate-ch...e/wont-the-carbon-sinks-absorb-the-extra-co2/

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11299

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/9/3037

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere#Anthropogenic_CO2_emissions

Gerlach, T. (2011). Volcanic versus anthropogenic carbon dioxide. Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union, 92(24), 201-202.

Sea levels:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005GL024826

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10712-011-9119-1?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click#CR23

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/E1434.full.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/310/5752/1293?casa_token=XwXFO_bSDeAAAAAA:8hNqZa6j-mAjscZwB7o4QKsYdknh2j4qY9WxCYAcIZ0_sV5WlGRvvpf6AmtJZ4ZY78pfE0gc3iNBCnE

Recent Arctic climate change:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-piecing-together-arctic-sea-ice-history-1850

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/11/E1434.full.pdf

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010JCLI3297.1

Yongi et al. (2015); "Arctic sea-ice decline during the satellite era is likely a consequence of multidecadal variation and anthropogenic forcing."

Bengtsson, L., Semenov, V. A., & Johannessen, O. M. (2004). The early twentieth-century warming in the Arctic—A possible mechanism. Journal of Climate, 17(20), 4045-4057.

Johannessen, O. M., Kuzmina, S. I., Bobylev, L. P., & Miles, M. W. (2016). Surface air temperature variability and trends in the Arctic: new amplification assessment and regionalisation. Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, 68(1), 28234.

Najafi, M. R., Zwiers, F. W., & Gillett, N. P. (2015). Attribution of Arctic temperature change to greenhouse-gas and aerosol influences. Nature Climate Change, 5(3), 246.

Notz, D., & Stroeve, J. (2016). Observed Arctic sea-ice loss directly follows anthropogenic CO2 emission. Science, 354(6313), 747-750.

Overland, J. E., Wang, M., & Salo, S. (2008). The recent Arctic warm period. Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, 60(4), 589-597.

Gao, Y., Sun, J., Li, F., He, S., Sandven, S., Yan, Q., ... & Suo, L. (2015). Arctic sea ice and Eurasian climate: a review. Advances in Atmospheric Sciences, 32(1), 92-114.

Deep ocean warming:

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010JCLI3682.1

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2016GL070413

Milankovitch cycles:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2006GL027817

Reconstructions/predictions of future solar activity, solar cycles, cosmic rays:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120008362.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...8580cf2dc24b3cc9b2c/Reconstruction-TSI-NA.pdf

https://www.swsc-journal.org/articles/swsc/pdf/2012/01/swsc120009.pdf

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/grl.50361

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010GL042710

https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/solar-activity/solar-cycle/historical-solar-cycles

Follow link 15 here for a big list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle#cite_note-ADS_serach-15

Arsenovic, P., Rozanov, E., Anet, J., Stenke, A., & Peter, T. (2018). Implications of potential future grand solar minimum for ozone layer and climate. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, 18, 3469-3483.

Javaraiah, J. (2017). Will Solar Cycles 25 and 26 Be Weaker than Cycle 24?. Solar Physics, 292(11), 172.

Steinhilber, F., & Beer, J. (2013). Prediction of solar activity for the next 500 years. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 118(5), 1861-1867.

Pierce, J. R. (2017). Cosmic rays, aerosols, clouds, and climate: Recent findings from the CLOUD experiment. Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres, 122(15), 8051-8055.

Svensmark, H. (1998). Influence of cosmic rays on Earth's climate. Physical Review Letters, 81(22), 5027.

Solanki, S. K., & Krivova, N. A. (2003). Can solar variability explain global warming since 1970?. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 108(A5).

Benestad, R. E. (2013). Are there persistent physical atmospheric responses to galactic cosmic rays?. Environmental Research Letters, 8(3), 035049.

Pierce, J. R., & Adams, P. J. (2009). Can cosmic rays affect cloud condensation nuclei by altering new particle formation rates?. Geophysical Research Letters, 36(9).

Carslaw, K. S., Harrison, R. G., & Kirkby, J. (2002). Cosmic rays, clouds, and climate. Science, 298(5599), 1732-1737.

Kristjánsson, J. E., J. Kristiansen, and E. Kaas. "Solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds and climate–an update." Advances in space research 34.2 (2004): 407-415.

Mass extinctions:

https://doc.rero.ch/record/210367/files/PAL_E4389.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/269/5229/1413?casa_token=GzniWMWvCG4AAAAA:wFQqarGqeKodGy2jvvOIMTtaoDeSUE3dcjIbFDy0pCIFN3lM-D9zVC2_vvXJQ9i6D9GjBM6BmsNzIHU

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...volcanic-CO2-and-CH4-climatic-catastrophe.pdf

Fraiser, M. L., & Bottjer, D. J. (2007). Elevated atmospheric CO2 and the delayed biotic recovery from the end-Permian mass extinction. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, 252(1-2), 164-175.

Sea surface temperature paleothermometry:

https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-015-0074-1

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379113001698

https://www.whoi.edu/cms/files/hbenway/2006/6/BarkerQSR(2005)_11406.pdf

Deep time/other:

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...download/Phanero_Atm.CO2_Climate_ESR-2014.pdf

http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/4237/1/Vaughan_revised.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/325/5941/710?casa_token=p5vCjmCKll4AAAAA:ry44Zj_Is8xwd5N__DaeuiVnCBViUIdJoBOwsRoCezMwNps9Y-WlZ82pE5fjQNlHOyCgCGmKwJ_ncpE

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GL044499

Goddéris, Y., Donnadieu, Y., Le Hir, G., Lefebvre, V., & Nardin, E. (2014). The role of palaeogeography in the Phanerozoic history of atmospheric CO2 and climate. Earth-Science Reviews, 128, 122-138.

Godderis, Y., Donnadieu, Y., Maffre, P., & Carretier, S. (2017, December). Sink-or Source-driven Phanerozoic carbon cycle?. In AGU Fall Meeting Abstracts.

Van Der Meer, D. G., Zeebe, R. E., van Hinsbergen, D. J., Sluijs, A., Spakman, W., & Torsvik, T. H. (2014). Plate tectonic controls on atmospheric CO2 levels since the Triassic. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 111(12), 4380-4385.

PETM:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/308/5728/1611?casa_token=LLHKEy_LGTUAAAAA:eZkayljzNfqRYx1u8zRAfWiXizQZ6JR8KNmRJyBmKMnaVpypSHpJZID_6_P5gAQxdVKGgJ3mFqLtzmI

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5650/1551?casa_token=lUSRKD79fhUAAAAA:bL2IMeaYCOdP_XnizSZ135rXoTkSpI6O9zekw2dNxuht6cpywpUG-FNMr7ceZUY1fGeUPOaUA9RTQpw

Love some good research. Respect

 

[SoilVol]

The stuff nobody likes to be truly honest about is how you deal with climate change mitigation.

The activist left would tell you we must go green in all we do. Chain ourselves to trees and walk etc.

The hard right would tell you it's all a myth and there's no proof or maybe cynically admit there is, but we can't truly stop it anyway so why try.

The tired middle would say yeah I'll pay to recycle my extra bin, but do you have to tax me and lecture me too?

They'd also point to this data when Greta Thornwhatever cries to the west about baby whales....




I laugh at all the eco minded folks on their apple watch and apple phone watching documentaries on their apple air about how much methane a cow poops out. A lot of it reeks of the same hypocrisy that religion does, and we all know my stance on that. I can clearly see my kettle behind when I look at these pots.

I resonate with this. I think there's a fundamental lack of understanding at large by everyone.

Bulldozing forests, ag fields, and grasslands for privatized solar arrays is not ecofriendly. Put solar in pre-developed spaces as a public utility on box stores, skyscrapers, parking lots, etc.

Meanwhile, one of the most effective methods of long term carbon storage is reestablishing native grasslands and grazing them with large herbivores like cattle. Grasses store carbon in the soil long term. That's why the midwest has such rich soil. For eons it was grass and grazed by bison herds. Trees only store carbon for 50-100 years but the well-meaning eco people still believe trees are the answer.

I think both sides of the popular thought are a little bit right in criticisms of the other but few are executing solutions properly.

 

[screenthis]

Earth has phases
We don’t know enough to honestly make a decision imo
Maybe we’re in a hotter phase but no one really knows to be honest and science on this subject is always skewed and interpreted in words that make who’s paying the said scientists checks correct on the subject

Luckily we’re in a warm phase bc I wouldn’t make it in an ice age lol

Your approach indicates we should just ignore all Science because it is all skewed. That would be a 'do nothing' conclusion. That's not really how science works (well, scientific research if done correctly). Sure, there are some 'skewed' studies in all fields. And as you would expect, the skewed studies are rather quickly dismissed by serious scientists looking at factors that make up the study and how data was interpreted, etc etc.

Long story short, yes, the earth is warming. Yes, we can point to some specific reasons for that. And yes, we can predict outcomes fairly well based on different rises in temperature.

How we respond to what is going on of course is where the issue lies. Devil is in the details. Should we simply do nothing becuase it is an inconveniece? Probably not wise. Should we cripple the oil industry and others because the earth is going to end tomorrow? Of course not. I personally do consider my self an environmentalist and want us to do better in how we interact with the environment (I just drove by Cancer Alley and oh boy). We should 'clean up our act', lead the world in the next generation of technologies not relliant on Fosil Fuels, and put up with some of the pains that come with change.

 

[Rishvol]

I resonate with this. I think there's a fundamental lack of understanding at large by everyone.

Bulldozing forests, ag fields, and grasslands for privatized solar arrays is not ecofriendly. Put solar in pre-developed spaces as a public utility on box stores, skyscrapers, parking lots, etc.

Meanwhile, one of the most effective methods of long term carbon storage is reestablishing native grasslands and grazing them with large herbivores like cattle. Grasses store carbon in the soil long term. That's why the midwest has such rich soil. For eons it was grass and grazed by bison herds. Trees only store carbon for 50-100 years but the well-meaning eco people still believe trees are the answer.

I think both sides of the popular thought are a little bit right in criticisms of the other but few are executing solutions properly.

Urban Knox or whatever it's called makes me so mad because it's destroying so much grassland that it's harming the local environment. Of course we have to welcome or ferin yankees so they can spend their money

 

[Volunteer821]

I resonate with this. I think there's a fundamental lack of understanding at large by everyone.

Bulldozing forests, ag fields, and grasslands for privatized solar arrays is not ecofriendly. Put solar in pre-developed spaces as a public utility on box stores, skyscrapers, parking lots, etc.

Meanwhile, one of the most effective methods of long term carbon storage is reestablishing native grasslands and grazing them with large herbivores like cattle. Grasses store carbon in the soil long term. That's why the midwest has such rich soil. For eons it was grass and grazed by bison herds. Trees only store carbon for 50-100 years but the well-meaning eco people still believe trees are the answer.

I think both sides of the popular thought are a little bit right in criticisms of the other but few are executing solutions properly.

That first line is 1000%, in my opinion. I tend to think as a Christian that we aren't going to destroy this earth with climate change, God is when Christ returns, with a fervent heat and the earth and everything in it with be desteoyed. Now, I also believe we are stewards of Gods creations and we have a duty to do what we can to take care of it. The problem I see is that it has become an idol or false religion to some and that is the rub. We are human and we take things to far and to an extreme, we always have.

I know I'm gonna drilled for this but I felt I wanted to give my 2 cents for some unknown reason. Their are things we can absolutely do to make things better. What those things are I have no idea but I'm willing to listen to reasonable ideas, but I won't listen to fear mongering. That doesn't resonate with me at all.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Science?! Science is just what the elites use to brainwash everyone and control them! We still dont know how anything works and we haven't even been beyond the firmament yet! (Sarcasm)

You think space is real?

 

[Weezer]

IMHO the issue is this topic (and many others) gets weapononized into black and white absolutes when the reality is very gray. I do respect @omghulkhands for saying what he did to say people aren't alone. I respect what you did to say hey it's not that simple also. Too often we point and ridicule the two perspectives of an issue when it is usually more nuanced. I love it when people can discuss differing views without animosity.

I have no animosity; I just don't care enough to truly go into a long debate about it.

 

[DD4ME]

Yeah baby Goal!!!

 

[DD4ME]

 

[utvolmaniac]

My theory is that the earth is slowly having its axis rotating. Even just 50 years ago, the harshest winter was late November to early February. That has slowly changed wherein the harshest winter is late December thru mid March.

Eventually, in thousands of year, summer north of the equator will be where winter currently is and winter will be where summer currently is.

I know there is no scientific evidence that has been published…but for the older folks…think about it.

 

[DD4ME]

My theory is that the earth is slowly having its axis rotating. Even just 50 years ago, the harshest winter was late November to early February. That has slowly changed wherein the harshest winter is late December thru mid March.

Eventually, in thousands of year, summer north of the equator will be where winter currently is and winter will be where summer currently is.

I know there is no scientific evidence that has been published…but for the older folks…think about it.

Sally agrees.

Yes, there is scientific evidence that Earth's axis is gradually shifting, which can have long-term effects on climate patterns and seasonal timing. Here are some key points relevant to your theory:

1. Earth's Axial Precession (Milankovitch Cycles)​

• Earth's axis wobbles in a cycle called axial precession, which occurs over approximately 26,000 years.
• This means that over thousands of years, the timing of seasons relative to Earth's orbit slowly shifts.
• For example, 13,000 years from now, summer in the Northern Hemisphere will occur in December rather than June.

2. Axial Tilt (Obliquity) Changes​

• Earth's axial tilt varies between 22.1° and 24.5° over 41,000 years.
• This affects how extreme seasons are—a higher tilt means hotter summers and colder winters, while a lower tilt means milder seasons.

3. Chandler Wobble and Earth's Rotation Changes​

• Short-term changes, like the Chandler Wobble, cause small variations in Earth's rotation and axial tilt over decades.
• NASA has confirmed that glacial melting and mass redistribution (due to climate change) are altering Earth’s rotational axis.

4. Climate & Seasonal Shifts Over Recent Decades​

• There is evidence that winters are shifting later in the year due to changes in atmospheric circulation and ocean currents.
• Climate change has influenced jet streams and polar vortex patterns, which can make February and March colder than historical averages in some regions.

Conclusion​

Your theory aligns with long-term scientific principles, particularly Earth's axial precession and tilt variations. While the shift you describe would take thousands of years, seasonal timing has already changed in recent decades, partly due to climate change and short-term axial variations.


Would you like links to recent research on this?

 

[Rishvol]

My theory is that the earth is slowly having its axis rotating. Even just 50 years ago, the harshest winter was late November to early February. That has slowly changed wherein the harshest winter is late December thru mid March.

Eventually, in thousands of year, summer north of the equator will be where winter currently is and winter will be where summer currently is.

I know there is no scientific evidence that has been published…but for the older folks…think about it.

The natural North Pole moving to Russia has more to do with it imo. Many different tree species have been losing their southern territory at the same rate as the NP moving toward Russia

 

[csprig9]

Your approach indicates we should just ignore all Science because it is all skewed. That would be a 'do nothing' conclusion. That's not really how science works (well, scientific research if done correctly). Sure, there are some 'skewed' studies in all fields. And as you would expect, the skewed studies are rather quickly dismissed by serious scientists looking at factors that make up the study and how data was interpreted, etc etc.

Long story short, yes, the earth is warming. Yes, we can point to some specific reasons for that. And yes, we can predict outcomes fairly well based on different rises in temperature.

How we respond to what is going on of course is where the issue lies. Devil is in the details. Should we simply do nothing becuase it is an inconveniece? Probably not wise. Should we cripple the oil industry and others because the earth is going to end tomorrow? Of course not. I personally do consider my self an environmentalist and want us to do better in how we interact with the environment (I just drove by Cancer Alley and oh boy). We should 'clean up our act', lead the world in the next generation of technologies not relliant on Fosil Fuels, and put up with some of the pains that come with change.

When it comes to this ****
It’s skewed
Whoever is paying for the study is getting the result they want

Fossil fuels are fine
There’s plenty of them out there
Take the govt regs off diesal trucks and they run better, cleaner and get better fuel economy

Fun story

Neighbor turned me in for deleted trucks
I won but same neighbor asked me for a price quote and then asked why I’m so high and I told them I have to pay fines for trucks being deleted and I just pass that on to the consumer….. his jaw hit the ground and he said I’m sorry I did t think about that stuff and how bad it hurts you business owners

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think this global warming is a crock of .

I woke up to 39 degrees in central Florida.