'24 Recruiting Forum: Official Kent State Pregame/Game Thread

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#1,102
Orange. said:
I found it.

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I don't think it's possible for him to both have possession while lying on the ground and for it to be an interception. If he had control in both hands while lying on the ground, it's a completion and he's down. If he didn't have full control when it hit the ground and popped up, it's incomplete.

In the NFL, I agree that call *could* stand because nobody touched him while he had possession of it on the ground, if they decided he had full possession and survived the fall to the ground.

But to me it looked his slamming the ball into ground caused it to pop up in the air, meaning he didn't survive the fall to the ground and it's incomplete. Even in the NFL if you're falling when you make the catch, if you don't maintain possession when you and the ball hit the ground, it's incomplete.

Unless a hand was underneath and the ball never hits the ground, I think it has to be incomplete with the ball making contact with the ground. Not 100% sure but that's my opinion.
 
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fearsvols said:
It was the right call
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How often does "trust the defense" work when you're trying to stop and upset the #1 team in the country?

Even if they got a stop, what are the odds they could have actually moved the ball down the field for a FG with around a minute left?

The odds were greater going for it on 4th down.
 
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jave36 said:
Not with how poorly their offense was playing. Even if they got a 3 and out, they'd have to go all the way down the field in under 2 minutes. Their passing game was awful, I think the odds were better of going for it.
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And you expected them to get a 4th and 9?
Everyone seems to ignore that
 
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jave36 said:
Not with how poorly their offense was playing. Even if they got a 3 and out, they'd have to go all the way down the field in under 2 minutes. Their passing game was awful, I think the odds were better of going for it.
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Supposed to get 9 yards with how “poorly their offense was playing” Yall making arguments against yourself
 
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jave36 said:
Not with how poorly their offense was playing. Even if they got a 3 and out, they'd have to go all the way down the field in under 2 minutes. Their passing game was awful, I think the odds were better of going for it.
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This is what I’m saying you can’t just go by raw stats. You have to take into account your team’s play in that moment. Kentucky had more of a chance to win by going there than by punting and playing defense.
 
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fearsvols said:
Supposed to get 9 yards with how “poorly their offense was playing” Yall making arguments against yourself
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If they had the mentality of going for it on 4th, that 3rd down call would have been different. You could tell they weren't in "were going for this" mindset.

And yes, 4th and 8 is still higher odds than them marching all the way down the field in under 2 minutes. But they would have gotten a few guaranteed yards on 3rd down if they had the mentality of going for it on 4th.
 
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fearsvols said:
Supposed to get 9 yards with how “poorly their offense was playing” Yall making arguments against yourself
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The important difference is getting 8 yards or more ONE time. That put them in FG range. If they punt, get good coverage, force a stop on defense then after all that they STILL have to get more than those 8 yards. There is no universe where it is actually a better decision in that spot. It could be the historically the accepted decision. But it's not going to result in the most wins in that exact spot. If you are the better team extend the game. If you are the inferior team then getting 8 yards ONE TIME is absolutely more doable than stringing together all the other things you need to do just to get back into the same position you were already in.
 
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jave36 said:
If they had the mentality of going for it on 4th, that 3rd down call would have been different. You could tell they weren't in "were going for this" mindset.

And yes, 4th and 8 is still higher odds than them marching all the way down the field in under 2 minutes. But they would have gotten a few guaranteed yards on 3rd down if they had the mentality of going for it on 4th.
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Pretty much what I’m saying as well. Stoops should’ve shifted to that at that point. Good field position, some time left to make a drive, he should be in the mindset that this was their last possession and you’ve got four downs to make a new set of downs.
 
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