Recruiting In General

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CobbVol

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I have read the various threads involving recruiting and want to throw in my $0.02. First of all, the naysayers approach this time of the year is either we are taking too many early verbals or not enough. It looks as if based on what is happening that they think we are taking too many right now. Here are some numbers:

According to Rivals, there are 27 5-star players this year. 11 of the 27 have already verballed to a particular school. Tennessee remains on the list of 10 of the remaining 16.

According to Rivals, there are 223 4-star players this year. 30 of the 223 have already verballed to a particular school. Tennessee remains on the list of 46 of the remaining 193.

Specific players we have a better than the average bear chance in landing:

5-Stars:

1. Eric Berry, DB - Fairburn, GA
2. Marvin Austin, DT - Washington, DC

4-Stars:

1. Rae Sykes, DE - Alcoa, TN
2. Tony Tucker, DE - Washington, DC
3. Chris Donald, LB - Huntingdon, TN
4. Harrison Smith, ATH - Knoxville, TN
5. Tony Logan, ATH - Piscataway, NJ
6. Dale Martin, RB, Bolingbrook, IL
 
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Is it naysaying to point out how UGA and UF are kicking our teeth in for early commits from highly rated propsects. We are even being out recruited by Ole Miss. I agree that a huge turnaround, which means playing the SEC championship and/or no more than two losses this year IMO, will probably self-correct the recruiting situation. Unfortunately, not many people give us much of a chance to achive that goal this season. Even the Fulmerites seem to think that a 10-win season is setting the bar way too high. If the recruiting continues to slip on the Hill, while it improves in Athens, Gainesville, Columbia and elsewhere, how are we ever going to get back on top? Wait 20 years like the poor Vol fans who weathered the storm from the early 70s to the late 80s? No freakin' thanks!! I'd rather make sudden and dramitic changes ASAP, which will at least give us a shot at attracting the guys who we are now losing to the "top half" of the eastern division.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jun 22 said:
No freakin' thanks!! I'd rather make sudden and dramitic changes ASAP, which will at least give us a shot at attracting the guys who we are now losing to the "top half" of the eastern division.

True, nothing says good recruiting like not knowing who your coach is going to be and how long he'll be there.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Jun 22 said:
True, nothing says good recruiting like not knowing who your coach is going to be and how long he'll be there.
Doesn't seem to be hurting Meyer or Orgeron.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jun 22 said:
Doesn't seem to be hurting Meyer or Orgeron.

They've only coached 1 season in the SEC. No denying that Meyer has pulled in some good recruits, but he was the most hyped up coach in the nation before he came to UF.


 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jun 22 said:
Is it naysaying to point out how UGA and UF are kicking our teeth in for early commits from highly rated propsects. We are even being out recruited by Ole Miss. I agree that a huge turnaround, which means playing the SEC championship and/or no more than two losses this year IMO, will probably self-correct the recruiting situation. Unfortunately, not many people give us much of a chance to achive that goal this season. Even the Fulmerites seem to think that a 10-win season is setting the bar way too high. If the recruiting continues to slip on the Hill, while it improves in Athens, Gainesville, Columbia and elsewhere, how are we ever going to get back on top? Wait 20 years like the poor Vol fans who weathered the storm from the early 70s to the late 80s? No freakin' thanks!! I'd rather make sudden and dramitic changes ASAP, which will at least give us a shot at attracting the guys who we are now losing to the "top half" of the eastern division.

I cannot think of a time when Georgia or Florida did not have talented athletes. They have had poor coaching at one time or another but not a lack of talent. They always have had the players and always will so UT fans need to accept the fact that they trip of 20 SEC-caliber players within 100 miles of their stadiums.

In regards to the early commitment and teeth being kicked in - I did not know they gave a prize this time of the year for recruiting. I agree that a good season cures alot of ills but there is nothing we can do until the ball is placed on the tee. Another 5-6 season and you will have to trade in your canoe for a river barge - a 9-2 year and I am sure your seat will still be available.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jun 22 said:
Maybe UTK needs a little hype to liven things up right now.

Maybe. Or maybe they need to remain stable and not freak out over one bad season.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Jun 22 said:
True, nothing says good recruiting like not knowing who your coach is going to be and how long he'll be there.
Nothing hurts recruiting like having an entrenched coach whose teams haven't produced a first round pick on offense since 2001.
 
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I love how so many UT "fans" now want the rest of us to accept that we are just destined to be mediocre becasue of circumstances beyong the control of any human. Put the right person in the driver's seat and we'll be back on track in no time.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jun 22 said:
I love how so many UT "fans" now want the rest of us to accept that we are just destined to be mediocre becasue of circumstances beyong the control of any human. Put the right person in the driver's seat and we'll be back on track in no time.

I'm not the AD of UT. Please direct you destined to be mediocre comments to Mike Hamilton.


 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jun 22 said:
I love how so many UT "fans" now want the rest of us to accept that we are just destined to be mediocre becasue of circumstances beyong the control of any human. Put the right person in the driver's seat and we'll be back on track in no time.

You tried to read between the lines and did not need to. I never said or implied that we are destined to be mediocre. I just was pointing out that the fact that Georgia and Florida having talent is not uncommon.
 
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Everytime I read a post about sticking with what we've got rather than taking a risk in the hopes of getting something better I think about the Parable of the Talents from the Book of Matthew.
 
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If you think about early commitments a minute, it only makes sense that UT would lag behind FL and GA in this category.

It has already been discussed on this site how the states of FL & GA produce a greater number of D1 atheletes than TN does. The law of averages would mean that these 2 states wold have more highly rated players than TN would.

I would ASSUME most early commitments are made by players who have followed a team since they were a kid and when the opportunity to play for that school comes, they jump on it.

If you look at FL - they have 11 early commits, 8 are from FL. Of those 11, they have 7 - 4* players and 5 of those are from FL

GA has 7 earlies with 5 from GA. they have 4 - 4* players and 3 are from GA

UT has 8 with 5 from TN. The only 4* is from out of state.


With fewer star players in this area, there are a lot more teams recruiting the ones that are there and Ut is also forced to cover the country to make up the difference. This tends to take a little longer and probably why you always hear "Tennessee always closes with a big finish in recruiting"


Just my $0.02 worth.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Jun 22 said:
Maybe. Or maybe they need to remain stable and not freak out over one bad season.
God!! i am so freakin sick of this "one bad year" have you and several others even watched the last 5 or 6 years? the only thing different about the "one bad year" was that they lost the close games they had been winning, especially 03 and 04. as I have said before, the level of play has eroded: undisciplined, uninterested and no intensity , on offense at least. "but look at all the games theyve won and the eastern div. crowns" please! I just want to see the vols OUT EXECUTE and OUTHIT their opponent week in and week out. the wins will take care of themselves.
 
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(tarvol23 @ Jun 22 said:
God!! i am so freakin sick of this "one bad year" bullsh*t!!!!!!!! have you and several others even watched the last 5 or 6 years? the only thing different about the "one bad year" was that they lost the close games they had been winning, especially 03 and 04. as I have said before, the level of play has eroded: undisciplined, uninterested and no intensity , on offense at least. "but look at all the games theyve won and the eastern div. crowns" please! I just want to see the vols OUT EXECUTE and OUTHIT their opponent week in and week out. the wins will take care of themselves.
I will agree that the intensity level on the field the last couple of years has left something to be desired. However in the years the Big Orange crashed the SEC title game you must concede a few bad bounces and a play here and there we would have wound up in position for another shot at the national title game. Last year there was a huge groundswell for Randy Sanders head as the biggest problem on the Hill. Well he ain't here to be the whipping boy for the failures. As they say in the south, it's nut cutting time now. We'll see how the disclipine and execution of the team plays out on the field this year and then maybe we all will have a better idea what should happen regarding the future of Tennessee football...
 
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(hmanvolfan @ Jun 23 said:
I will agree that the intensity level on the field the last couple of years has left something to be desired. However in the years the Big Orange crashed the SEC title game you must concede a few bad bounces and a play here and there we would have wound up in position for another shot at the national title game. Last year there was a huge groundswell for Randy Sanders head as the biggest problem on the Hill. Well he ain't here to be the whipping boy for the failures. As they say in the south, it's nut cutting time now. We'll see how the disclipine and execution of the team plays out on the field this year and then maybe we all will have a better idea what should happen regarding the future of Tennessee football...
yeah, i would agree with that. it's just that "one bad year" thing that pisses me off. i dont want to be that "sky is falling" guy. that being said, some of these people on here seem to forget the level of play. i know this is a recruiting thread so i'll shut up now. GBO
 
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God!! i am so freakin sick of this "one bad year"

I hear that WVU is supposed to have a decent team in a conference where they don't play anyone. Perhaps you should check them out.

have you and several others even watched the last 5 or 6 years?

Yeah, we have season tickets. You?

the only thing different about the "one bad year" was that they lost the close games they had been winning

Yes, winning and losing seem to have a lot to do with a good or bad year. Lots of teams win close games all the time. It's part of what makes football exciting to watch. As for the losses, they happen in bunches to every team at some point or another.

as I have said before, the level of play has eroded: undisciplined, uninterested and no intensity , on offense at least.

It could be that. It could also be that other teams are catching up and matching our level of play. We play in the SEC, not the Big East. It's a tough conference and not for the weak of heart. Or it could be a little of both.
"but look at all the games theyve won and the eastern div. crowns" please!

I've never been one to be satisfied with only an Eastern division crown with an exception to UT basketball last season. Perhaps if you weren't new and have been around a while, you'd know what I really think about it. But you're new and don't know, so I'll give you a pass.

I just want to see the vols OUT EXECUTE and OUTHIT their opponent week in and week out. the wins will take care of themselves.

I can't disagree with that. I think that everyone would be pretty happy to see that. However, I'm sensing by your remarks that close wins just won't cut it. I would also like to see Tennessee beat every team they play 50, but it's just not going to happen.

All I'm saying for those of you who are convinced that we're doomed is try to hold it together. Fulmer isn't going anywhere this year. Accept it and start backing your team instead of acting like Bama fans. If not, go form a picket line outside of Mike Hamilton's office and protest. Don't blame people like me who are willing to wait and see the outcome of the changes already made.

If you truly believe that things take care of themselves, then sit back and relax and see what happens this season. Who knows, you might be surprised.











 
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Anyway back on topic. We all know that recruits tend to go with the hot teams at the moment. We certainly weren't a hot team last year for hundreds of reasons.

We had a good class the year before and it's time for those players to start earning their keep.

Our recruiting this year wasn't spectacular, but it wasn't horrible either. We have some good players coming in. One average recruiting year doesn't make a team horrible, just like one great recruiting year doesn't make them great.

Some average recruits will turn out better than expected while some great recruits will end up not so great for various reasons.

While I think recruiting is important, it's hard to read into it that much. I'm always more concerned with how they play as a team. Last season, they weren't a team. I'm looking for that to change.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Jun 23 said:
All I'm saying for those of you who are convinced that we're doomed is try to hold it together. Fulmer isn't going anywhere this year. Accept it and start backing your team instead of acting like Bama fans. If not, go form a picket line outside of Mike Hamilton's office and protest. Don't blame people like me who are willing to wait and see the outcome of the changes already made.

If you truly believe that things take care of themselves, then sit back and relax and see what happens this season. Who knows, you might be surprised.
Keep up the good work OWB...
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Jun 23 said:
I hear that WVU is supposed to have a decent team in a conference where they don't play anyone. Perhaps you should check them out.
Yeah, we have season tickets. You?
Yes, winning and losing seem to have a lot to do with a good or bad year. Lots of teams win close games all the time. It's part of what makes football exciting to watch. As for the losses, they happen in bunches to every team at some point or another.
It could be that. It could also be that other teams are catching up and matching our level of play. We play in the SEC, not the Big East. It's a tough conference and not for the weak of heart. Or it could be a little of both.
I've never been one to be satisfied with only an Eastern division crown with an exception to UT basketball last season. Perhaps if you weren't new and have been around a while, you'd know what I really think about it. But you're new and don't know, so I'll give you a pass.
I can't disagree with that. I think that everyone would be pretty happy to see that. However, I'm sensing by your remarks that close wins just won't cut it. I would also like to see Tennessee beat every team they play 50, but it's just not going to happen.

All I'm saying for those of you who are convinced that we're doomed is try to hold it together. Fulmer isn't going anywhere this year. Accept it and start backing your team instead of acting like Bama fans. If not, go form a picket line outside of Mike Hamilton's office and protest. Don't blame people like me who are willing to wait and see the outcome of the changes already made.

If you truly believe that things take care of themselves, then sit back and relax and see what happens this season. Who knows, you might be surprised.
i would also add to this, at the risk of going off topic again, that sometimes, not always, winning close games, could be construed as a sign that you do in fact have a good team. After all, it's the ability to win that defines good vs. poor. And sometimes, having the ability to win a close game tells more about your team than walking all over the opposition....walking all over the competition may have more to say about that competiton than it does about your team. Having said that, i don't think anyone would say that we have been world beaters in any fashion, with the exceptions of the Citrius bowl and cotton Bowl that we won convincingly, over the past 3-5 years. the ability to win those games is what escaped us last year. If there was anything i could take out of last year's games, was that no one just truly walked all over us. We were in every game. but that ability to close the deal in games like we had, and have had lately, is what separated us form being a good team.

People tend to forget that there are only a few teams each year that are just so good that they truly are dominant. USC, TX, maybe OSU of late are the only teams that have been that good. in previous years, you've had teams like Miami, FSU, NEB, OK, FL that were that good, and just flat out better than everyone they play. And i would love for TN to have a team like that as well, don't get me wrong. And we've had flashes of that in the 90's. We haven't sniffed it since 1999.

As to SEC CG appearances, you also aren't going to win that game every time you get to it...no one in the league is undefeated in that game...every team that has played in and won it, has also played in it and lost it at one point or another. There is something to be said for getting there as it relates to being in legitimate competition for the SEC title, but there isn't, as has been stated many times before, any ultimate reward for losing it either. So strictly from that standpoint, not saying we should hang banners for it, we have at least been competing for SEC titles in the last 5 years. before you can win that game, you have to at least get there.

so, no, i don't think it was one bad year, i think it was one bad year that was a culmination of issues we have all noticed at one point or another over the past 3-5 years.

the question, as OWB said, is, will all the changes that were made this off season make any difference in getting us back in to legitimate competition for the SEC title? for that, we all have to wait and see. And before we have a chance to have one of those truly dominant teams, we have to show the ability to be able to win, and compete consistently again for SEC Titles.

sorry for getting off topic again....
 
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...no apology necessary.

getting back to the topic...4-star running back, Ryan Houston, is set to announce his college choice today @ noon. We snagged a couple of North Carolina kids earlier in the week, but this would be the best of the bunch. Baby Bettis is a load at 255lbs. and has the speed to play in the SEC...of course, they said the same thing about Jabari Davis. Either way, I'll be waiting with much anticipation at noon today.
 
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(VOLinSC @ Jun 23 said:
...no apology necessary.

getting back to the topic...4-star running back, Ryan Houston, is set to announce his college choice today @ noon. We snagged a couple of North Carolina kids earlier in the week, but this would be the best of the bunch. Baby Bettis is a load at 255lbs. and has the speed to play in the SEC...of course, they said the same thing about Jabari Davis. Either way, I'll be waiting with much anticipation at noon today.

I guess we didn't get this guy?????
 
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(VOLinSC @ Jun 23 said:
he decided he'd be better off a tarheel than a volunteer.

He'll be there with that Paulus QB. UNC might end up pretty good next year. I'd say they'll surprise a few ACC teams.
 

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