Recruiting In The SEC

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rexvol

rexvol

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One thing that often gets overlooked by the national media as they bash CLK is his football savvy. The guy stocked his assistant positions with guys that can recruit because given what UF, Bama, LSU, UGA, and others in the SEC are doing we have to incredible classes just to keep pace. UF's 2010 class will be just ridiculous. They already have a 5 star and nine 4 stars. They will cherry pick the cream of the crop for the rest of their class. Bama will be top five along with possibly LSU & UGA. I think you may see 6 or 7 SEC teams in the top 10 easily. CLK knew this coming in so he planned accordingly. I dont think he gets enough credit for his plan. The key will be finding guys like O that can recruit and develop talent.
 
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Gotta give Hamilton credit too....BY pursuing Kiffin you can tell that he was aware that without good recruiting you will be middle of the pack in the SEC. Kiffin's plan appears to be solid. Hope it translates to wins. We have to be patient though. He has to restock the talent and that takes time.
 
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They're gonna develop talent????

:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

I have missed that the most!
 
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Hens67 said:
Gotta give Hamilton credit too....BY pursuing Kiffin you can tell that he was aware that without good recruiting you will be middle of the pack in the SEC. Kiffin's plan appears to be solid. Hope it translates to wins. We have to be patient though. He has to restock the talent and that takes time.
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Of course an 8 win season would be an success this year, but you're right the fan base must be patient. The wins will come. I just hope this staff can stay intact for a few years.
 
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I think this thread is a waste of electrons.

You make it seem as if getting a group of coaches who know how to recruit is an innovate stroke of genius. In reality, it's just a block and tackle survival move. Everyone knows this, strives for this and all of the good SEC teams you've mentioned have it in place.

The bold new twist that Kiffin and Hamilton have rolled out is the doubling of previous salaries for their newly hired staff. That's an experiment that we'll have to wait and see about. I've got a good feeling that Orgeron is going to be worth the investment, the other guys we'll have to wait and see.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I think this thread is a waste of electrons.

You make it seem as if getting a group of coaches who know how to recruit is an innovate stroke of genius. In reality, it's just a block and tackle survival move. Everyone knows this, strives for this and all of the good SEC teams you've mentioned have it in place.

The bold new twist that Kiffin and Hamilton have rolled out is the doubling of previous salaries for their newly hired staff. That's an experiment that we'll have to wait and see about. I've got a good feeling that Orgeron is going to be worth the investment, the other guys we'll have to wait and see.
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Eat and Die. Sorry, the troll was asking to be fed....
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I think this thread is a waste of electrons.

You make it seem as if getting a group of coaches who know how to recruit is an innovate stroke of genius. In reality, it's just a block and tackle survival move. Everyone knows this, strives for this and all of the good SEC teams you've mentioned have it in place.

The bold new twist that Kiffin and Hamilton have rolled out is the doubling of previous salaries for their newly hired staff. That's an experiment that we'll have to wait and see about. I've got a good feeling that Orgeron is going to be worth the investment, the other guys we'll have to wait and see.
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knowing you have to do it, and doing it are two different things.

it's not genius, but it does show that this administration does have some sort of resolve to not let us get caught further behind in the "arms race" so to speak.

remember, we're talking about a program that hasn't even been competitive with Florida and Bama recently.

it's still a climb, and given what Florida, Bama, LSU, GA etc...are continuing to do, we have to start somewhere.

so you give credit, for now, to hamilton to having the stones to make the move in the first place, and the forsight to make getting the assistants Kiffin wanted a priority.

any real credit due kiffin will come in 3-5 years.
 
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jakez4ut said:
knowing you have to do it, and doing it are two different things.

it's not genius, but it does show that this administration does have some sort of resolve to not let us get caught further behind in the "arms race" so to speak.

remember, we're talking about a program that hasn't even been competitive with Florida and Bama recently.

it's still a climb, and given what Florida, Bama, LSU, GA etc...are continuing to do, we have to start somewhere.

so you give credit, for now, to hamilton to having the stones to make the move in the first place, and the forsight to make getting the assistants Kiffin wanted a priority.

any real credit due kiffin will come in 3-5 years.
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I think I recognized the fact that they were willing to pony up the money to put this group of hired guns together. That move was unprecedented in terms of the lengths they were willing to go.

As you have agreed , time will tell how this experiment works out.
 
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jakez4ut said:
knowing you have to do it, and doing it are two different things.

it's not genius, but it does show that this administration does have some sort of resolve to not let us get caught further behind in the "arms race" so to speak.

remember, we're talking about a program that hasn't even been competitive with Florida and Bama recently.

it's still a climb, and given what Florida, Bama, LSU, GA etc...are continuing to do, we have to start somewhere.

so you give credit, for now, to hamilton to having the stones to make the move in the first place, and the forsight to make getting the assistants Kiffin wanted a priority.

any real credit due kiffin will come in 3-5 years.
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exactly. If it was as easy as he implied, KY would no longer suck and MSU wouldn't have needed Mullen. Alabama wouldn't have sucked for 15 years and Zook would still be at the helm at UF.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I think I recognized the fact that they were willing to pony up the money to put this group of hired guns together. That move was unprecedented in terms of the lengths they were willing to go.

As you have agreed , time will tell how this experiment works out.
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Meyer and Saban aren't hired guns?
 
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Lexvol said:
Meyer and Saban aren't hired guns?
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They're like the sheriffs of Gainesville and Tuscaloosa who've heard that Billy the Kid is running things in Knoxville.

For some reason, CUM acts like the Kid is on his way to Gainesville first.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I think this thread is a waste of electrons.

You make it seem as if getting a group of coaches who know how to recruit is an innovate stroke of genius. In reality, it's just a block and tackle survival move. Everyone knows this, strives for this and all of the good SEC teams you've mentioned have it in place.

The bold new twist that Kiffin and Hamilton have rolled out is the doubling of previous salaries for their newly hired staff. That's an experiment that we'll have to wait and see about. I've got a good feeling that Orgeron is going to be worth the investment, the other guys we'll have to wait and see.
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look genius, making it a priority for your coaches to be elite recruiters first and foremost is the point
 
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rexvol said:
look genius, making it a priority for your coaches to be elite recruiters first and foremost is the point
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I know that. My dog knows that. My dog's chew toy knows that.

The original post presented Kiffin as being super smart for knowing that too. If you can't recruit, you simply don'y have a job as an assistant coach in the SEC.

Outside of Orgeron, it remains to be seen how well these guys recruit at Tennessee.

Before heading to Alabama, Lance Thompson was recruiting a steady diet of two star recruits at UCF. Then he became a hot shot at Alabama under the best recruiter in the solar system in Saban. How much of Thompson's success due to the boss and the institution, and how much was it due to Lance himself.

Time will tell.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I know that. My dog knows that. My dog's chew toy knows that.

The original post presented Kiffin as being super smart for knowing that too. If you can't recruit, you simply don'y have a job as an assistant coach in the SEC.

Outside of Orgeron, it remains to be seen how well these guys recruit at Tennessee.

Before heading to Alabama, Lance Thompson was recruiting a steady diet of two star recruits at UCF. Then he became a hot shot at Alabama under the best recruiter in the solar system in Saban. How much of Thompson's success due to the boss and the institution, and how much was it due to Lance himself.

Time will tell.
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Eddie Gran
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I know that. My dog knows that. My dog's chew toy knows that.

The original post presented Kiffin as being super smart for knowing that too. If you can't recruit, you simply don'y have a job as an assistant coach in the SEC.

Outside of Orgeron, it remains to be seen how well these guys recruit at Tennessee.

Before heading to Alabama, Lance Thompson was recruiting a steady diet of two star recruits at UCF. Then he became a hot shot at Alabama under the best recruiter in the solar system in Saban. How much of Thompson's success due to the boss and the institution, and how much was it due to Lance himself.

Time will tell.
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Yes it will.
 
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Lance Thompson - last years National Recruiter OTY
Lane Kiffin - no. 1 class at USC everytime he was the recruiting coordinator
Eddie Gran - Auburns best recruiter
Frank Wilson (on the rise)

I am sure I can find more examples
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Jim Chaney aint so bad either.

This staff is loaded with recruiters. It's almost not fair.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
OK - Who besides Orgeron is an "elite" recruiter ?
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I thought for a while we were going after too many recruiter types, and your saying none of them can recruit. I think it is obvious we need a shot in the arm to catch up to FL, Bama, and LSU in talent. I think we have the staff to do that now. We will see, one of us is wrong.
 
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MDBJJC said:
Lance Thompson - last years National Recruiter OTY
Lane Kiffin - no. 1 class at USC everytime he was the recruiting coordinator
Eddie Gran - Auburns best recruiter
Frank Wilson (on the rise)

I am sure I can find more examples
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As said before, Lance did his best work at Alabama under Saban and Lane did his best work at USC under Carroll. Those are the bluest of blue chip environments.

Lance was pulling in two star recruits to UCF at the other end of the spectrum.

Nothing personal, but UT under Lane Kiffin is not same blue chip environment and I personally don't think that Lane's resume at USC puts him in the same ballpark as Saban. I don't think even Urban Meyer is in the same ballpark as Saban but he's closer to the talent.

God only knows what a guy like Saban would do in Florida. He could sell ice to an Eskimo.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
As said before, Lance did his best work at Alabama under Saban and Lane did his best work at USC under Carroll. Those are the bluest of blue chip environments.

Lance was pulling in two star recruits to UCF at the other end of the spectrum.

Nothing personal, but UT under Lane Kiffin is not same blue chip environment and I personally don't think that Lane's resume at USC puts him in the same ballpark as Saban. I don't think even Urban Meyer is in the same ballpark as Saban but he's closer to the talent.

God only knows what a guy like Saban would do in Florida. He could sell ice to an Eskimo.
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You don't really believe he's simply a better salesman? He's a rule skirting / breaking liar and it is working for now.
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BigPapaVol said:
You don't really believe he's simply a better salesman? He's a rule skirting / breaking liar and it is working for now.
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I definitely believe he's a better salesman in addition to whatever else he is suspected of being.

When you compare Saban and Lane, you get to understand that public speaking is not Lane's strong suit.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
I definitely believe he's a better salesman in addition to whatever else he is suspected of being.

When you compare Saban and Lane, you get to understand that public speaking is not Lane's strong suit.
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Slick public speakers don't tend t be great closers.
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BeecherVol said:
I thought for a while we were going after too many recruiter types, and your saying none of them can recruit. I think it is obvious we need a shot in the arm to catch up to FL, Bama, and LSU in talent. I think we have the staff to do that now. We will see, one of us is wrong.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm just saying that it's far from guaranteed and what some of these guys have done in a blue chip environment is not certained to be replicated here.
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