Recruiting Ranking Update

#26
#26
SamRebel35 said:
I'll take 5 years of 15th ranked recruiting classes with no attrition in place of 5 years in the top 10 where we lose 30% of each class to attrition.
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Alabama's attrition rate is close to 30%. They over sign every year. All the other big SEC schools have high rates as well. In the last four years Alabama signed 113 players, so 28 over the limit.
 
#27
#27
Here's one of the most important rankings: the ranking that comes out after enrollment into school takes place.

It looks like there are not going to be any question marks when it comes to qualifying, so we may be top 10 when it comes to who actually gets in school.
 
#28
#28
jmoore_21 said:
As we stand right now I think we have 65-67 healthy scholarship players, the NCAA allows 85 scholarship players. We are essentially missing a whole recruiting class.

The reason we are short is because of all the players leaving ( because of so many coaching changes ) & players being kicked off the team over the past 3 years. We can't fill up with one recruiting class because the SEC/NCAA only allows 25 players per class. Use to you could sign over 30 kids in each class to build the roster back up.
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so TN is in the same posiition USC will be in in a couple of years?
they are on probation for violating rules and have scholarships taken away is their punishment.
TN is in this position because of coaching changes,etc...... but the outcomes are the same.
does the NCAA not allow for a team like TN to have any extra room?
in not really suggesting they be given the full 20+ in one year, but couldnt NCAA allow for teams like TN to catch up with maybe like 5-7 extra for a couple of years>
that still wouldnt catch up totally but it allows for letting a team rebuild.
Not every team short should be allowed this catch up but if a team can provide evidence of special circumstances then allow them a bit extra.
same as a medical redshirt with an athlete. the rules say 4 yrs playing time but people are allowed up to 6 in special situations when they provide proof.
sorry for the long post/
if there isnt a rule for this there oughta be
 
#29
#29
vols-1 said:
Alabama's attrition rate is close to 30%. They over sign every year. All the other big SEC schools have high rates as well. In the last four years Alabama signed 113 players, so 28 over the limit.
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and bama also is using the medical scholarship rule to their advantage.
seems like there are ways to fill up on shcolarship athletes without violating any rules.
is there anything TN is doing to get back to full roster like this?
 
#30
#30
txvolsfangatorh8r said:
so TN is in the same posiition USC will be in in a couple of years?
they are on probation for violating rules and have scholarships taken away is their punishment.
TN is in this position because of coaching changes,etc...... but the outcomes are the same.
does the NCAA not allow for a team like TN to have any extra room?
in not really suggesting they be given the full 20+ in one year, but couldnt NCAA allow for teams like TN to catch up with maybe like 5-7 extra for a couple of years>
that still wouldnt catch up totally but it allows for letting a team rebuild.
Not every team short should be allowed this catch up but if a team can provide evidence of special circumstances then allow them a bit extra.
same as a medical redshirt with an athlete. the rules say 4 yrs playing time but people are allowed up to 6 in special situations when they provide proof.
sorry for the long post/
if there isnt a rule for this there oughta be
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Exactly, right now Tennessee is in the shape USC will be in 2-3 years from now. It's like were coming off of probabtion will all the attrition we have. I mean for god sakes were playing a walk-on freshmen at DT, thats how bad it is.

& no their is no rule for stuff like that.
 
#31
#31
jmoore_21 said:
As we stand right now I think we have 65-67 healthy scholarship players, the NCAA allows 85 scholarship players. We are essentially missing a whole recruiting class.

The reason we are short is because of all the players leaving ( because of so many coaching changes ) & players being kicked off the team over the past 3 years. We can't fill up with one recruiting class because the SEC/NCAA only allows 25 players per class. Use to you could sign over 30 kids in each class to build the roster back up.
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I notice TN has almost 120 players listed on its 2010 roster. These players can play without a scholarship right? So we are not short players, Dooley just don't won't to give many on the roster a scholarship?

2010 Tennessee Football Roster University of Tennessee Athletics
 
#32
#32
jmoore_21 said:
Exactly, right now Tennessee is in the shape USC will be in 2-3 years from now. It's like were coming off of probabtion will all the attrition we have. I mean for god sakes were playing a walk-on freshmen at DT, thats how bad it is.

& no their is no rule for stuff like that.
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thank you. then maybe TN should have cheated. i mean if you are going to pay the price, you might as well do the crime
 
#33
#33
txvolsfangatorh8r said:
so TN is in the same posiition USC will be in in a couple of years?
they are on probation for violating rules and have scholarships taken away is their punishment.
TN is in this position because of coaching changes,etc...... but the outcomes are the same.
does the NCAA not allow for a team like TN to have any extra room?
in not really suggesting they be given the full 20+ in one year, but couldnt NCAA allow for teams like TN to catch up with maybe like 5-7 extra for a couple of years>
that still wouldnt catch up totally but it allows for letting a team rebuild.
Not every team short should be allowed this catch up but if a team can provide evidence of special circumstances then allow them a bit extra.
same as a medical redshirt with an athlete. the rules say 4 yrs playing time but people are allowed up to 6 in special situations when they provide proof.
sorry for the long post/
if there isnt a rule for this there oughta be
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It's not as dire as everyone seems to think it is. I will say we are behind the 8 ball, but it won't take long for us to catch back up. In fact, in another forum, someone posted that we have 60 scholarship players returning next year. The NCAA only allows for 85, so if we sign 27 (back-counting 2) and we get 25 of them, we are back to full strenght in terms of numbers.

That being said, we will still be very young, which is why most people are saying 2012 will be the year on which to judge Dooley's performance as a recruiter and more importantly (IMO) as a coach to those recruits.

We'll be back to full strenght next year and that strenght will be better in 2012. It will happen, it will just take time.
 
#34
#34
#35
#35
RedStickVOL said:
It's not as dire as everyone seems to think it is. I will say we are behind the 8 ball, but it won't take long for us to catch back up. In fact, in another forum, someone posted that we have 60 scholarship players returning next year. The NCAA only allows for 85, so if we sign 27 (back-counting 2) and we get 25 of them, we are back to full strenght in terms of numbers.

That being said, we will still be very young, which is why most people are saying 2012 will be the year on which to judge Dooley's performance as a recruiter and more importantly (IMO) as a coach to those recruits.

We'll be back to full strenght next year and that strenght will be better in 2012. It will happen, it will just take time.
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We will be close to the 85 scholarship limit, you are right that if we sign 27 then we will be right at 85 but you have to take into account some players might transfer or quit, it always happens.

& your right about 2012 being the judgement year on Dooley, we will have a full roster & all these Sophomores & Freshmen will be Seniors & Juniors.
 
#36
#36
utvolpj said:
not necessarily
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The Vol's current committments average 3.13 stars per player...same as Auburn and UCLA and tied for 18th on that basis. If CDD can maintain or improve the avg stars for this class, then I'd be satisfied with this particular year no matter what the team ranking. I don't think getting the talent will be much of a concern long term provided CDD proves he can coach.
 
#37
#37
VN Team,

I don't like being a negavol on the main board (and I did bust out the 3rd and Chaney + Wilcox today). But I'm flat out worried right now.

I did not like Dooley's post-game presser after UAB. His body language was all wrong, and he admitted he was basically a "deer-in-the-headlights." Right now, he is not winning the regional recruiting battle he intends to win.

I agree with SamRebel that three solid Top 15 classes with 10% attrition will be an actual Top Ten class on the field, so I will certainly wait to see results and not go into vapor lock on signing day.

But I've got to say, my spider sense started tingling on Dooley - not so much for the UAB game per se, but his PGP afterwards. It was clear from "Shower-gate" he's got to do some OJT, but we have got to finish both the football season and the recruiting season STRONG.
 
#38
#38
RedStickVOL said:
It's not as dire as everyone seems to think it is. I will say we are behind the 8 ball, but it won't take long for us to catch back up. In fact, in another forum, someone posted that we have 60 scholarship players returning next year. The NCAA only allows for 85, so if we sign 27 (back-counting 2) and we get 25 of them, we are back to full strenght in terms of numbers.

That being said, we will still be very young, which is why most people are saying 2012 will be the year on which to judge Dooley's performance as a recruiter and more importantly (IMO) as a coach to those recruits.

We'll be back to full strenght next year and that strenght will be better in 2012. It will happen, it will just take time.
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ok. i got caught up with the "right now". there are only a handful of seniors graduating. while that kinda tells it all about the state of TN football, it is a good thing for the future as far as getting young guys in and getting back to full roster.
im not near as frustrated now! but having gone thru this really for just a year (as a fan), i do not envy what USC is about to go thru with roster limits
 
#39
#39
utgibbs said:
VN Team,

I don't like being a negavol on the main board (and I did bust out the 3rd and Chaney + Wilcox today). But I'm flat out worried right now.

I did not like Dooley's post-game presser after UAB. His body language was all wrong, and he admitted he was basically a "deer-in-the-headlights." Right now, he is not winning the regional recruiting battle he intends to win.

I agree with SamRebel that three solid Top 15 classes with 10% attrition will be an actual Top Ten class on the field, so I will certainly wait to see results and not go into vapor lock on signing day.

But I've got to say, my spider sense started tingling on Dooley - not so much for the UAB game per se, but his PGP afterwards. It was clear from "Shower-gate" he's got to do some OJT, but we have got to finish both the football season and the recruiting season STRONG.
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what is OJT?
 
#42
#42
I heard somewhere that one of the biggest factors for our recruit is stealing away recruits. Like last year we stole a couple(rogers is the only one that comes to mind). I'd be interested in seeing who we have to "steal" away from other programs.
 
#44
#44
vols-1 said:
We need to finish at least top 10 in order to compete in the SEC. I saw Mike Shula bring home many a top 15 class, but wind up finishing 7th in the SEC in recruiting.
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He wasn't there long enough to bring "home many" top 15 classes,and it also can't be blamed on his recruiting. The guy was a total tard as a coach,like the next 5 coaches the cheaters hired. Saben has about done his time in tuscaloser and will move on to save America's Team. His ego is too big to remain a Bammer.
 
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