Red Sox (reportedly) dump Francona

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#26
jmoore_21 said:
Red Sox banfwagoners, ok?

& by that standard I guess Torre, Manuel, & LaRussa didn't bring their teams titles either.
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Joe Torre's salary was the biggest waste of money in sports for a decade.

GMs win titles. Managers are mostly glorified hall monitors.
 
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iuvol2012 said:
Small fix.
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Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If so, please explain how Torre got so much smarter as a Yankee than he had been for the Braves and Mets, and how Francona was so much smarter than he was in Phily.

A manager is to a baseball team roughly what a jockey is to a horse -- if the jockey had to sit on the sideline and yell at the horse through a bullhorn instead of being able to use the reins and a whip.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If so, please explain how Torre got so much smarter as a Yankee than he had been for the Braves and Mets, and how Francona was so much smarter than he was in Phily.

A manager is to a baseball team roughly what a jockey is to a horse -- if the jockey had to sit on the sideline and yell at the horse through a bullhorn instead of being able to use the reins and a whip.
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It was sarcasm.
 
#32
#32
All the bullshiz from Pujols the other night about LaRussa made me want to hurl. Just stop. They fill out lineup cards and look absurd in a uniform. That's the role. Deal with headcases here and there, bench some folks and make reasonably obvious in game decisions.

I will say that at younger ages with subtleties, they make all the difference. My pitching coaches were valuable. HC, never meant much except yelling "bases drunk, and you go down 2-0! Throw a damn strike!"
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#33
#33
He should be fired for letting Ryan Lavarnway bat 5th in the most important game of the year.

Batting Lavarnway behind Gonzo basically took the bat out of his hands, he was only the best hitter on the team, pretty bad move as the Orioles just walked Gonzo all night.

Another head scratcher was pulling Ortiz for Joey Gathwright in a pinch-runner situation.

They intentionally walk Gonzo, Lavarnway does nothing and now you have Joey Gathwright hitting in the all important 3rd spot with an intentional walk batting 4th and Lavarnway batting 5th.

Impressive work.

I would have been heartbroken if this team had battled all year long and it came down like it did and ended the way it did, which was unreal in every way imaginable but they didn't.

They got exactly what they deserved which is a tee time at the local country club and a long off-season to look in the mirror.

They were 81-52, yet finished 90-72.

Somebody had to take the fall, usually falls on the manager.

Sad to see him go but maybe it's what this teams needs.
 
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The name I first thought of after hearing this was Joe Torre.

The guys on baseball tonight mentioned it but I doubt it happens..would be ecstatic if it did though.
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I'm not going to say managers are ridiculously important and have a great impact in terms of total wins and losses but you can't deny what happened in Arizona this year. That team lost 100+ games last year and this year's team wasn't much different, except basically the entire coaching staff.
 
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#44
I don't follow Arizona at all, but a quick look at baseball-reference says that they scored 4.4 runs a game last year and 4.5 runs a game this year, so it's basically the same offense. The huge difference is that they fell from allowing 5.2 runs a game last year to 4.1 this year -- and sure enough, they overhauled almost the whole pitching staff. I can't pretend to know who deserves the credit for making the changes, but that's the difference in ARI last year and this year. Different pitchers.
 
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#45
Saw this out on the interwebs and was not sure where to post it...

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#47
#47
I can't stand the Sox, but ESPN's gossipy "journalism" regarding the beer in the clubhouse stuff is making me sick. Let it go already.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
I can't stand the Sox, but ESPN's gossipy "journalism" regarding the beer in the clubhouse stuff is making me sick. Let it go already.
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Especially considering beer in the clubhouse is a commonplace throughout MLB.
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