Redshirt...

[armchair]

Oh trust and believe you're not the only one.. Before her concussion I saw her greatly coming into her role and her game.. Even though the game against Rutgers was a gritty she still played hard she showed that hey I can possibly be a 3rd scoring option I can go off at anytime.. She reminds me of Gwen Jackson,you never counted out Gwen you knew that Gwen was going to play 110 every single game. If you look at Tennessee in 03 Gwen had a huge impact in just about every single game, she could score in multiple area's etc and honestly if Jasmine gets Gwen's confidence she can be that 100x more because her athleticism if off the charts

Jones. She is extremely athletic, always has been--but she had very little understanding of the game of basketball when she got to UT--that was obvious-- and decision-making (and the turnovers that result from bad decisions) continues to be a problem with her. Beyond the IQ part of the game, she is not a good ball-handler, and for both of those reasons I'm not at all sold on her at the 3 position. She has improved some offensively--she is not shy about shooting--but decision-making is big in basketball, and that's where she needs to get a lot better.

I think Warlick is going to start Carter and Reynolds at the guard spot, which means that DeShields will play the 3, Graves the 4 and Russell the 5. That is as it should be. Nared has the potential to be good at either the 3 or 4, probably the 4--and she will play a lot this year, IMO. Jones will spell either DeShields or one of our forwards, and the coaches will evaluate from there. It's possible that they'll put DeShields at the 2 some--and play with just one point guard (Reynolds or Cooper?) but that would mean sitting our best perimeter defender (Cooper). The coaches have a lot of options, which is good.

 

[volcrazy89]

^ That.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Our best perimeter defender is Jas.

 

[j'adorevol89]

Jones. She is extremely athletic, always has been--but she had very little understanding of the game of basketball when she got to UT--that was obvious-- and decision-making (and the turnovers that result from bad decisions) continues to be a problem with her. Beyond the IQ part of the game, she is not a good ball-handler, and for both of those reasons I'm not at all sold on her at the 3 position. She has improved some offensively--she is not shy about shooting--but decision-making is big in basketball, and that's where she needs to get a lot better.

I think Warlick is going to start Carter and Reynolds at the guard spot, which means that DeShields will play the 3, Graves the 4 and Russell the 5. That is as it should be. Nared has the potential to be good at either the 3 or 4, probably the 4--and she will play a lot this year, IMO. Jones will spell either DeShields or one of our forwards, and the coaches will evaluate from there. It's possible that they'll put DeShields at the 2 some--and play with just one point guard (Reynolds or Cooper?) but that would mean sitting our best perimeter defender (Cooper). The coaches have a lot of options, which is good.

I don't feel as if I'm overestimating at all.. I feel that I can clearly see improvements and what is to become if those improvements are made, I never did lock her down in the 3 position I compared her to an alum who played majority 4,5 during her collegiate career and excelled by her senior campaign. The main flaw that I pulled out of Jasmine's game was confidence, if you aren't confident in your ability then your whole game is off, but if she gains/or gained confidence who knows what she can become just purely judging off her "positives" she can be a threat.. At the end of the day it all comes down to input and stepping up when your number is called. Basketball especially college basketball is a game of maturity and development, with the right teaching you can gain so much and whose to say that at this moment she's not gaining. I stand by 100 percent that she can breakout and become a threat

 

[Pat4life]

Jasmine was solid, the beginning of last year, she for the last two years has played 2, 3 and 4, and her at the four she will be dynamic, shes better than Graves at the four, been since their soph year but Graves post defense is better tho, but I think she will be as effective as Cierra was at the 3 and thats not bad, Cierra of course a better passer, Deshield moves to 2 slide Jasmine to the 3, especially with Davis and Gray activating next year.

Yeah, I like Jamsine potential, she was the one lady that attacked the rim, she sometimes lost the ball her freshman year, but she went out there and did what the coached asked her to do, attack, get to the rim.

Jasmine, Deshields, Cooper, Draya and Mercedes are some gifted athletes. hmmm

We havent had a perimeter player that can get to rim for layups and makes in a long time. She still a work in progress but her potential is off the charts, and she's got a lil nastiness to her and I tend like those kinds of players.

But to lock her as a four player is not fair for her or the Lady Vols, that will send recruits running faster from us than redshirting, you mean I can't work to get better, oh I can't be versatile, oh just rebound and play defense. Oh you dont want me to try any of moves I work on in practice in a game. hmm

Chile please, players want to be able to do it all. Another reason why people feel as if we haven't been developing players. ijs

Love the redshirt... Love it.

If Jasmine comes back with better handles or can get to her spot to shoot over people, I think we should do the same with Nared.

Graves leaves, now you have Jones and Nared next year. Nared joins after a year to work work her game... I dont think redshirting Nared would decrease our chances for a final 4 next year but it can increase our chances for a final 4 down the road. hmmmm

I wouldnt be surprise if Nared gets a concussion this year. j/k lol

 

[Pat4life]

And the offense we are looking to run the 2,3 4 players become interchangeable euro style, can all face up, post up, take you off the dribble and knock down the three. Izzy was perfect 5 for that offense too, post to forward, just wished her teammmates played with her rather than watch her. sighs...hopefully they are not in awe of Diamond.

Now the floor is open, think Depaul, think Uconn. Stweart, Tuck, Kalena, interchangeable... all have guard and forwards skill sets...

Me likey, cos you have to know how to defend it, in order to beat it, and in basketball, you run it too. lol

 

[j'adorevol89]

Jasmine was solid, the beginning of last year, she for the last two years has played 2, 3 and 4, and her at the four she will be dynamic, shes better than Graves at the four, been since their soph year but Graves post defense is better tho, but I think she will be as effective as Cierra was at the 3 and thats not bad, Cierra of course a better passer, Deshield moves to 2 slide Jasmine to the 3, especially with Davis and Gray activating next year.

Yeah, I like Jamsine potential, she was the one lady that attacked the rim, she sometimes lost the ball her freshman year, but she went out there and did what the coached asked her to do, attack, get to the rim.

Jasmine, Deshields, Cooper, Draya and Mercedes are some gifted athletes. hmmm

We havent had a perimeter player that can get to rim for layups and makes in a long time. She still a work in progress but her potential is off the charts, and she's got a lil nastiness to her and I tend like those kinds of players.

But to lock her as a four player is not fair for her or the Lady Vols, that will send recruits running faster from us than redshirting, you mean I can't work to get better, oh I can't be versatile, oh just rebound and play defense.

Chile please, players want to be able to do it all. Another reason why people feel as if we haven't been developing players. ijs

Love the redshirt... Love it.

If Jasmine comes back with better handles or can get to her spot to shoot over people, I think we should do the same with Nared.

Graves leaves, now you have Jones and Nared next year. Nared joins after a year to work work her game... hmmmm

I wouldnt be surprise if Nared gets a concussion this year. j/k lol

Prior to her coming to Tennessee she played 5 in high school which is common at 6'2 you are gonna play 5 some high schools are happy to get girls that are 5'10 5'11 and stick them down as post and girls these days do want to develop and become versatile.. The game has changed alot from when my mother played to now etc.. My mom is about 6'0 even I'm just a touch over at 6'1 and a 1/2 lol... My mom always told me that I need to advance my skill set because at 6'1 i would not be playing center at the d1 level and I didn't I played d2 at Shaw which was tough for me but she always told me that my skill set was better than hers because I could dribble and could shoot from 15-18, She didn't advance her dribbling until she got to college which is crazy lol, But she was a beast in the paint lol... I think that the days of 6'3 + just being forwards etc is soon to be over I can't wait until I see a 6'5 point guard lol

 

[Pat4life]

Prior to her coming to Tennessee she played 5 in high school which is common at 6'2 you are gonna play 5 some high schools are happy to get girls that are 5'10 5'11 and stick them down as post and girls these days do want to develop and become versatile.. The game has changed alot from when my mother played to now etc.. My mom is about 6'0 even I'm just a touch over at 6'1 and a 1/2 lol... My mom always told me that I need to advance my skill set because at 6'1 i would not be playing center at the d1 level and I didn't I played d2 at Shaw which was tough for me but she always told me that my skill set was better than hers because I could dribble and could shoot from 15-18, She didn't advance her dribbling until she got to college which is crazy lol, But she was a beast in the paint lol... I think that the days of 6'3 + just being forwards etc is soon to be over I can't wait until I see a 6'5 point guard lol

Ha. I agree smart mom. lo They are coming, handles is the key, dribbling.

Nice and I was thinkin of a drill a coach of mine used to run.

We used to all switch positions for five 10 minutes segment, center would become point guard, pf shooting guard, sf and pf it helps us developed our skill set, helped us understand each other position, cos when that point guard was in the paint she got banged like being the post, so now she understood why we should reward our post players with a touch.

Our chemistry got better, our bball iq got better, and we became better basketball team, we added a defense as we got further along in the season, center at Point guard could be tricky but once our center realize their strengths was their height rather than putting the ball on the court. More than anything else it taught us how take advantage of mismatches.

Once a week for 50 minutes for a full season. I love that drill. At first we thought it was silly, funnny, but as the season goes along it remained that but it become competitive cos we started keeping score and add the practice players.

Mane, the arguments, stop picking up yo fuxin dribble keep the ball high your tall, now players are coaching their positions, center to guard well I see you pick up yo dribble all the time. I thought thats what guards did. lol

And one thing we realize as players real quick a non confident player pick up their dribble fast, and are scared to dribble which can stall most offenses.

We had a fast break play called taco, point guard go right side, hard drive, center trails stops at the top of key, center catch ball at the top key uses height to see over the defense, 3 dives from left wing pick set by 4, 4 pops out to 3 point line, if both player follow 3, while this happenin the point guard set a screen on 2 player right corner, 2 comes the off screen curls, point pops beyond 3 pt line, our center is at point, her defender is out of the paint, she has 3 diving and 2 curling for pass to attack basket or 3 diving if neither is open, point guard get a handoff from C, center pick/roll to the rim with 2 back at the right corner, point heads right look for center, this is the first 5 to 7 seconds of the shot clock, then we run a play, just to see if we could get high percentage shot, quick, most fans don't realize you can run three (out of bounds, fast break, attack offense trying to find holes in defense, and shot clock go to player play) plays in one shot clock.

This would not have been possible if our center didn't feel comfortable being out on the perimeter, repition instills confidence in players too and far too often we have too many players not comfortable with bball in their hands, why cos your a 5 stay in the paint, your 4 stay on the other block or high post, limitations, dont dribble center or four dont do that, dont go outside the paint that will hurt us if we want to get elite players.

Jasmine had confidence, she lacked the skills to execute her moves at times, but I think she is another player who can rely on her athleticism rather than work hard, lets hope she was in the gym.

Yeah fans want players to be great now not always understanding progression and some just don't get better and aredshirt year would help in player's progression or development. ijs

 

[Martic]

Oh trust and believe you're not the only one.. Before her concussion I saw her greatly coming into her role and her game.. Even though the game against Rutgers was a gritty she still played hard she showed that hey I can possibly be a 3rd scoring option I can go off at anytime.. She reminds me of Gwen Jackson,you never counted out Gwen you knew that Gwen was going to play 110 every single game. If you look at Tennessee in 03 Gwen had a huge impact in just about every single game, she could score in multiple area's etc and honestly if Jasmine gets Gwen's confidence she can be that 100x more because her athleticism if off the charts

you are so right, from the 2014 NCAA tournament until she got hurt her play had improved tremendously!!

 

[Chitownvol1129]

So I am still confused as to how it would help any recruit knowing they might have to spend 5 years in college to play 4 years. I mean, if a school approached me with that, logic would say, well, hell, I can start 4 years, in 4 years somewhere else. Playing is the best preposition, for future playing, and remember, very few make a living playing ball, way less then men, or tennis players. It will never happen in wcbb

 

[Pat4life]

Yep. You sound confused, yep just let the thread past you on by....

Like a coach would pitch this to a player during recruiting...we are thinkin about redshirtin you...

Some of ya'll, omgoodness.

Actually its happenin and, been happenin alot with transfers and psuedo injuries. ijs.

Anybody who used the word "never" thats like word "can't," dont fux with em.

And if you would read a post above, I said maybe recruiting is the wrong word. See you just want to argue, please point your hissy fits at someone else. Okkkkay? Okay!

 

[volnationnj]

Yep. You sound confused, yep just let the thread past you on by....

Like a coach would pitch this to a player during recruiting...we are thinkin about redshirtin you...

Some of ya'll, omgoodness.

Actually its happenin and, been happenin alot with transfers and psuedo injuries. ijs.

Anybody who used the word "never" thats like word "can't," dont fux with em.

And if you would read a post above, I said maybe recruiting is the wrong word. See you just want to argue, please point your hissy fits at someone else. Okkkkay? Okay!

If a college recruited a player, with a plan to redshirt her without consulting her (and her family) first, that would effectively destroy that teams future. Who would want to sign with a team without knowing if or when they might redshirt you ? And what about future recruits ?
How would they react when they see what was happening ?

 

[Pat4life]

Did you play college ball? We're you recrutied to D1 school to play a sport?

No one recruits anyone to redshirt, wow are you serious, omgoodness 2.

To me a redishirt year will help the women's game more than it will hurt.
Im saying you do it for every player but it should be used more to help more players get more time to develop.

 

[volnationnj]

Did you play college ball? We're you recrutied to D1 school to play a sport?

No one recruits anyone to redshirt, wow are you serious, omgoodness 2.

To me a redishirt year will help the women's game more than it will hurt.
Im saying you do it for every player but it should be used more to help more players get more time to develop.

That's how I interpreted your posts.
You started this thread about redshirting.
"It seems like Holly will be using the redshirt season as a player development and a recruiting tool"
Was in your first post on this thread. Then when another poster still didn't understand your position you said
"Like a coach would pitch this to a player during recruiting... we are thinking about redshirting you.."
So is it a recruiting tool or not ?
BTW I did play ball in college.

 

[Pat4life]

I just like to know whom Im talking too, and once again, I said maybe recruiting is the wrong word, I was trying to find the right word to say, since Mercedes and Jones redshirted, we were able to get by for a year, since we weren't able to land a post prospect, so a redshirt year can help if you have a deficient class, something along those lines, is that word recruiting...

 

[governmentmule]

I personally would like for CHW to recruit a project or 2 and red shirt em

it would be great as far as having back up players,for when somebody gets injured ,they have the room as far as number of players

like last year when Izzy went down,a project backup center would have been nice,especially one that had been red shirted and could give some quality play

of course that is up to CHW and she seems not to be interested in doing it

 

[Pat4life]

I think Holly will embrace it going forward, not for every player but why waste a year of a talented player who made need more strength, and or more skill develoment especially if they are only going to play less than 6 mins a game.

That redshirt year can mask a lot of recruiting misses.

 

[Pat4life]

That pretty much what Jasmine Jones was, a project, a physically gifted athlete that has played at the wrong position most her life, Holly gave her time to transitiib, to develop into a wing player, and you think Jasmine is upset by redshirting and want to leave the program, most women will be prolly be thankful.

Most women tend to stay in school and we all know every Lady Vol graduats, btw you get to work on bball skills and possobly leave with a masters.

We shouldn't just limit redhsirt, only if a player is hurt. All Im saying.

Like if Nia had a year just to focus on strength, imagine the kind of player she would be...

 

[governmentmule]

Jasmine had to red shirt because of the concussion ,Nia has been in the program long enough to develop physically,of course I'm like you,it would have been great if she had of red shirted her freshmen year and worked on adding some quality weight

and I will say it for you gule


free Nia

i thought she was looking better at the end of last year,I wished she had of gotten some more playing time

 

[gule]

Actually, Nia had her chance but she didn't make very good use of it, imvho. Love her to death but I just don't think she has put in the effort.

 

[Pat4life]

Well its hard to gain weight during the season, because all the traveling school, meetings, media etc most of the time you lose weight during the season. She lacks strength, weight doesnt matter as much Lisa Leslie, Yolanda Griffith (who Izzy game remind me of) didnt need weight but they were strong. We sometimes confuse weight, pounds with strength and thats not always the case, Nia will never bulk up.

And once you add weight it throws off your shot and balance, thats why I thought she could have benefitted from a redshirt year.

I think Nia actually maximized her talent at UT.She would be a starter if she played for another school. Sometimes we never gave her a shot.