Reggie Bush Investigation

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I personally hope the NCAA goes down in flames if they revoke USC's 2004 national championship. I don't see how you could punish a university for dealings with which it had no connections to, between an athlete and NFL agents.

This situations a catch 22 if they player has already entered the pros. They can't do anything about it. Yeah, if they catch another player doing the same during his college career, then go ahead and make him ineligible.

But if USC's 2004 national title is revoked, this does nothing but reaffirm the NCAA's image as a heartless, bureaucratic clusterf**k with no sense of reason or priority.
 
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milohimself said:
I personally hope the NCAA goes down in flames if they revoke USC's 2004 national championship. I don't see how you could punish a university for dealings with which it had no connections to, between an athlete and NFL agents.

This situations a catch 22 if they player has already entered the pros. They can't do anything about it. Yeah, if they catch another player doing the same during his college career, then go ahead and make him ineligible.

But if USC's 2004 national title is revoked, this does nothing but reaffirm the NCAA's image as a heartless, bureaucratic clusterf**k with no sense of reason or priority.
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Totally wrong, Milo. If USC won a national title with an ineligible player, they don't deserve it. End of story.
 
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milohimself said:
I personally hope the NCAA goes down in flames if they revoke USC's 2004 national championship. I don't see how you could punish a university for dealings with which it had no connections to, between an athlete and NFL agents.

This situations a catch 22 if they player has already entered the pros. They can't do anything about it. Yeah, if they catch another player doing the same during his college career, then go ahead and make him ineligible.

But if USC's 2004 national title is revoked, this does nothing but reaffirm the NCAA's image as a heartless, bureaucratic clusterf**k with no sense of reason or priority.
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So ... should the schools who had NC's taken away before have theirs back? If the allegations are true, under the RULES, they should revoke it.

Now, if we want to discuss the ridiculousness of the rules, we'll probably agree.
 
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I think the only way they strip USC's title is the ole "Lack of Institutional Control" violation. To prove that, they've got to show that USC either knew about the extra benefits or that the agent was a USC booster.

I'd bet this was just some hack agent trying to lock up Reggie Bush so they could cash in on his NFL career.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the only way they strip USC's title is the ole "Lack of Institutional Control" violation. To prove that, they've got to show that USC either knew about the extra benefits or that the agent was a USC booster.

I'd bet this was just some hack agent trying to lock up Reggie Bush so they could cash in on his NFL career.
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Sort of... the article states that three different agencies were involved.

If Bush were ruled inelligible and his Heisman stripped, I don't doubt that they'd take USC's W's after the point they can prove he was paid... that would include that title game.

See Auburn, early 90s.
 
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I think that whole notion is wrong. USC had no idea of what was going on, much less any control over the situation.

Imagine being an AD. Some dude decides to give one of your athletes a car, and you had no idea about it. You can't look into the future and see that some illegal stuff was going down. It goes on completely outside of your control, and your program gets the axe.

If that's the case, I think the NCAA, in the name of fairness, ought to go back and retroactively investigate the eligibility of every player, and forfeit the entire seasons of their respective teams, whether or not the activities were within the bounds of the universities.
 
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You can't take away a championship you don't give out. The NCAA does not name a D-I football champion. If the AP, ESPN/Coaches, or BCS want to do so, it's up to them.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the only way they strip USC's title is the ole "Lack of Institutional Control" violation. To prove that, they've got to show that USC either knew about the extra benefits or that the agent was a USC booster.

I'd bet this was just some hack agent trying to lock up Reggie Bush so they could cash in on his NFL career.
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Exactly. If USC knew about what Bush was up to, then yeah fair game.

But I'm pretty sure all previous teams with revoked titles either knew about the illegal benefits that their athletes were receiving, or were directly responsible for them.

There is no evidence out there at the moment that USC had any idea of Bush's activities. If their national title is going to be stripped, the NCAA better damn well have proof.
 
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milohimself said:
I think that whole notion is wrong. USC had no idea of what was going on, much less any control over the situation.
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That's sort of the definition of "Lack of Institutional Control". Back in the early 90s the NCAA pretty much busted up the whole friggin" Southwestern Conference over this type of stuff that was going on at Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas A&M, SMU etc.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You can't take away a championship you don't give out. The NCAA does not name a D-I football champion. If the AP, ESPN/Coaches, or BCS want to do so, it's up to them.
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I thought that the NCAA used the BCS to recognize the national champion? So 2004, there would just be a blank spot as far as the NCAA is concerned, while AP, BCS, etc. could still independently recognize USC as the champs of '04.
 
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milohimself said:
I thought that the NCAA used the BCS to recognize the national champion? So 2004, there would just be a blank spot as far as the NCAA is concerned, while AP, BCS, etc. could still independently recognize USC as the champs of '04.
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I don't think the BCS has any official connection with the NCAA.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the only way they strip USC's title is the ole "Lack of Institutional Control" violation. To prove that, they've got to show that USC either knew about the extra benefits or that the agent was a USC booster.

I'd bet this was just some hack agent trying to lock up Reggie Bush so they could cash in on his NFL career.
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Correct on all counts.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
The NCAA cant take away NC's but they can take away regular season games and make them forfeit them.
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I'm pretty sure that's right. Even with the BCS, I still don't think the NCAA awards an official national championship in football.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
The NCAA cant take away NC's but they can take away regular season games and make them forfeit them.
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....and that's what would happen.

NCAA would take away wins, and then like Hat said, the AP/BCS would decide to invalidate the title.

I'm all for it.

You can't tell me that someone at USC didn't know this was happening.
 
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For everybody convicting Reggie Bush and ready to slam USC, two words: Tee Martin.
 
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