Rejected?

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Of course it is all rumor at this point, but appears there are three possible things that are contributing to not having a coach yet.
1) UT is the pawn used by coaches to get a raise, contract extension and other benefits,
2)UT is not the prestigous job we thought it to be.
3) Hart is the problem. This could be for several reasons.
a)Hart has taken a very poor tactical approach regarding who he could target and convince to come.

Examples:

-Fisher: FSU is a top, TOP job and a recruiting paradise. I couldn't see anyone leaving there unless there were serious issues. And there aren't.
Same goes for Stoops at OU.
-Gundy: OSU. Alumni and former QB already making top dollar. ($3.75) Just doesn't make sense for him to leave. Was surprised that Hart even got an interview.
-And those were your three 'proven' targets. None presented a viable option, IMO.

Strong: This guy is already overpaid. I saw he was making $3.5 mil. He is likely to get another boost due to BCS bowl appearance. UL is now in a major conference and pumping Pizza money into the program. How do you justify giving Strong $4 mil plus to come to UT? I can't see it. He is not such a coach.

-UT should be looking for an underpaid coach. Fedora is one such guy. I'm sure there are others, but nothing that is going to resonate with excitment.

When you really look at the route Hart took it was destined for trouble. Start with Gruden. Pipe dream, but I still think it was doable. Then you hear of several proven coaches, but do any show any reason to leave their current program for any reason other than stupid money? No.

b) Dave Hart really wasn't planning on canning Dooley until after Vandy loss, and has been playing catch up to other schools who already had plan and date in place.

c) Dave Hart basically painted a terrible picture at the press conference when they fired Dooley. This guy is paid millions to sell the program, and he basically is telling everyone that UT is on life support. That my friends is freaking ridiculous. I'm not saying the issues aren't real. But you don't outline the problems, you sell the benefits.

This coaching search appears to have lots of issues. Sure, you want a 'proven' winner, but the coaching landscape does not present itself with a lot of options.
Auburn took a gamble. Arkansas saw an underpaid, over acheiver and attacked. Kudos to them. Who would have thought the Wisconsin coach was in play? My guess is that BB sent out his own feelers, and was not happy at Wisc. Don't see Arkansas contacting him. Not aware of any leaks.

As with anything, I could be wrong. Hart may have this thing licked, and is smokescreening everyone. I don't have any marvelous source. I'm not going to jump off a bridge if they shut they whole program down tomorrow. Just an alumni who'd like to see UT get back to decent football again. That's just how I see it.
-When major news sources are reporting offers, and then suddenly reporting candidates out of the picture, there are problems. It appears that UT has been turned down or at least told 'not interested,' by at least four coaches at this point. So, if the rejections are true, then it is likely the next candidates are already aware that they are in the 'plan B' category.
 
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A lot of outsiders have said the knock onUT is that we have to get most of our players from other states.
 
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The program is down after Dooley(thanks Doolanders) ran it into the ground for three years.

Hamilton spent 100's of millions on facilities leaving little cash to offer a big name coach top dollar.
 
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The fact that we haven't gotten a guy already tells me Hart is clueless here. The decision to fire Dooley should have been made after Florida IMO (due to the constant 2nd half meltdowns), but after the Alabama game for a more realistic approach. That meant 3 years of losses to our rivals and should have been the final straw. Now it looks as if we may have to "settle" for a new coach when we should have been looking 2 months ago.
 
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The program is down after Dooley(thanks Doolanders) ran it into the ground for three years.

Hamilton spent 100's of millions on facilities leaving little cash to offer a big name coach top dollar.

It was down before

Thats why we had to hire Dooley

But nice try
 
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I assume you are including Dave Hart in that?

Uh no. He would be the one person who knows what's going on. Just because the media is reporting 100 different pieces of crap a day doesn't mean any of its true. Many members of the media admit that Hart hasn't talked at all yet they still report their sources. And their sources change their minds everyday.

Here is what we can determine so far about how Hart has handled this search: NOTHING. All you could be right and he's been going about it all wrong. But you have no idea. Arky fans thought their AD was blowing it too. All this Hart speculation is doing right now is making our fanbase look really, really dumb.
 
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Leonard Little ‏@DBL_L_01

If u decide to take off the O&W because the coach u wanted isn't hired then do everyone else a favor and leave it off.
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Of course it is all rumor at this point, but appears there are three possible things that are contributing to not having a coach yet.
1) UT is the pawn used by coaches to get a raise, contract extension and other benefits,
2)UT is not the prestigous job we thought it to be.
3) Hart is the problem. This could be for several reasons.
a)Hart has taken a very poor tactical approach regarding who he could target and convince to come.

Examples:

-Fisher: FSU is a top, TOP job and a recruiting paradise. I couldn't see anyone leaving there unless there were serious issues. And there aren't.
Same goes for Stoops at OU.
-Gundy: OSU. Alumni and former QB already making top dollar. ($3.75) Just doesn't make sense for him to leave. Was surprised that Hart even got an interview.
-And those were your three 'proven' targets. None presented a viable option, IMO.

Strong: This guy is already overpaid. I saw he was making $3.5 mil. He is likely to get another boost due to BCS bowl appearance. UL is now in a major conference and pumping Pizza money into the program. How do you justify giving Strong $4 mil plus to come to UT? I can't see it. He is not such a coach.

-UT should be looking for an underpaid coach. Fedora is one such guy. I'm sure there are others, but nothing that is going to resonate with excitment.

When you really look at the route Hart took it was destined for trouble. Start with Gruden. Pipe dream, but I still think it was doable. Then you hear of several proven coaches, but do any show any reason to leave their current program for any reason other than stupid money? No.

b) Dave Hart really wasn't planning on canning Dooley until after Vandy loss, and has been playing catch up to other schools who already had plan and date in place.

c) Dave Hart basically painted a terrible picture at the press conference when they fired Dooley. This guy is paid millions to sell the program, and he basically is telling everyone that UT is on life support. That my friends is freaking ridiculous. I'm not saying the issues aren't real. But you don't outline the problems, you sell the benefits.

This coaching search appears to have lots of issues. Sure, you want a 'proven' winner, but the coaching landscape does not present itself with a lot of options.
Auburn took a gamble. Arkansas saw an underpaid, over acheiver and attacked. Kudos to them. Who would have thought the Wisconsin coach was in play? My guess is that BB sent out his own feelers, and was not happy at Wisc. Don't see Arkansas contacting him. Not aware of any leaks.

As with anything, I could be wrong. Hart may have this thing licked, and is smokescreening everyone. I don't have any marvelous source. I'm not going to jump off a bridge if they shut they whole program down tomorrow. Just an alumni who'd like to see UT get back to decent football again. That's just how I see it.
-When major news sources are reporting offers, and then suddenly reporting candidates out of the picture, there are problems. It appears that UT has been turned down or at least told 'not interested,' by at least four coaches at this point. So, if the rejections are true, then it is likely the next candidates are already aware that they are in the 'plan B' category.

$3.5 mil?!?!? Where did you get that info? He's around $2.3 mil IIRC.
 
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I truly believe that Cheek is the reason that we are in this position, since he has been here UT has went downhill......:twocents:
 
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Can anyone explain to me why we have slipped so far down as to talk seriously Larry Fedora. Take that name in for minute. Sounds like a winner to me.. smh..
 
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Can't judge a man by his name. Not saying he would be a great coach but judging by names or looks is silly.
 

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