Religion of peace spokesman expresses love for Christian leader.

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So do you think they are the same because they are both considered religions?

Yes, because they both are organized religions.

The problem with islam is that it is a complete political and legal system that rules every aspect of it's devotee's lives and furthermore it's beliefs ensure that it is continually at war with any area or government it doesn't rule. As a matter of fact any area not ruled by islam is called 'house of war', meaning that it is the duty of all true muslims to conduct jihad in order to conquer and subdue the 'house of war.'

My original post should leave little to doubt in way of contrast between the teachings of islam and the teachings of Christianity. One only has to read the repeated statements of moslem leaders to see where they are coming from. The continuous spewing of hateful speech is just too difficult to ignore.

There are many Christians that would do the same in this country and other countries around the world if they had the opportunity.

Do you see any difference between the teachings of Christianity and those of islam?

In the grand scheme of things, no. The characters are different but the grand scheme of the two (along with all organized religions) is the same. It is obvious from a third party perspective. It is not so obvious (understandably so) from inside a belief you have had your whole life.
 
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two sides of the same coin.

That's where you are dead wrong.







well when you put it that way neither sounds like something I want any part of in my life.

Can the promise of heaven exist without fear of a hell?

The two most oft repeated words in the Bible appearing together are 'fear not.'

Having said that, most likely there are many who call themselves Christian and who profess belief merely as, what some call, 'fire insurance.'

I don't condemn them, one has to start somewhere.

Professing belief may lead to a complete belief and eventually to a personal relationship with God.

I pity those who do not have such a relationship, they don't know what they are misssing in this life, no matter what the next life may bring.
 
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I think Anne Rice said it best. She actually has a very interesting story and became a believer in Christ after using the Bible for research for one of her books.

And for those who may not know, "Christianity" is actually a somewhat derogatory term that is used in the Bible only three times. It was used by those who chose to mock the followers of Jesus. So it started off with negative connotations and in many ways has gotten worse over time.

However, to compare the teachings and actions of Jesus to those of Islam is absolutely ridiculous.

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not many people know this. was first used in Antioch. impressive.
 
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Yes, because they both are organized religions.



There are many Christians that would do the same in this country and other countries around the world if they had the opportunity.



In the grand scheme of things, no. The characters are different but the grand scheme of the two (along with all organized religions) is the same. It is obvious from a third party perspective. It is not so obvious (understandably so) from inside a belief you have had your whole life.

I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you are right about any of that.

Do you have any comment on the public statement
made by Wagdi Ghoneim?
 
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I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you are right about any of that.

Do you have any comment on the public statement
made by Wagdi Ghoneim?

I am not PTK, but do you have any comments on the numerous public statements made by Fred Phelps.

Here is my link:

Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is still a more credible source than anything you link, gs.
 
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You know from past conversations how I feel about religion and specifically the word Christian. There is to much of a difference In Catholic, Mormon, Baptist, and so on to call them all Christian but we do.
Jesus had the biggest problem with the organized religion of the day. Placing their tradition and rules on people in the place of seeking God with their hearts and minds. I think Religion is the biggest road block to many people seeking God. This is why I always defer back to personal study and meditation to determine your own value system instead of blindly following what some Preacher or Philosophy teacher said.

Couldn't agree more. I have no problem with personal spirituality. I have a big problem with organized religion. I have no problem with "spreading the gospel" if the seeker comes to the Christian. I have a big problem with churches using various sly techniques of getting nonbelievers to their Bible studies under false pretenses.

I really wish more Christians were aware of Søren Kierkegaard. A devote Christian who wrote extensively. However, as a philosopher, he approached his faith with the rational of a third party mind. He advocated against organized religion and the dogma instituted by churches. He thought spirituality should be personal and that everyone should study scripture for themselves and come away from it with their own conclusions; not that of a priests or preacher. He also stated that faith requires the suspension of the rational. Religion (to a lesser extent Metaphysics) was utterly "absurd." All men of faith must admit that there are no logical paths to religion/metaphysics/spirituality; that's why it's called "faith".

I believe that Reward/punishment and access to God in the next life (Heaven) are separate issues. The Bible is clear that everyone will be judged according to their deeds. this is for the good and the bad. As far as Condemnation is concerned that is probably a poor word choice. My view has been formed around the concept of free will. I feel for some "Going to Heaven" would be Hell. If you do not wish to be subservient to God you don't have to be. Either Go where he is or go where he is not.

You say they are separate: the act of judgement/reward/consequences based on a person's deeds and access to God. This is intriguing. I was always under the impression that they were one and the same. So for someone like me who admittedly leads a fairly virtuously life but has not accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, I would be rewarded for the former but punished for that latter? Something like a Purgatory of sorts where I am not in Heaven with God but not hanging out with Hitler and Stalin in Hell? Would a man who has committed a horrible act of murder or rape or both be allowed into Heaven over me because he found Jesus in jail? Would be allowed in Heaven but also punished for his crimes? I imagine that his punishment won't be for eternity, thus he would eventually lead a prosperous life in Heaven with God once his punishment was served.

I could not agree with you more about scripture and its interpretations being twisted to meet each religions needs. And here we are back at personal responsibility.

Agreeing with a heathen is a slippery slope OS.

I'm wearing you down.:)

Like the erosion of the Himalayan -like mountains into the Appalachian Mountains we are familiar with now...very slowly.
 
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I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you are right about any of that.

Probably. My overall big point is that religion is religion. Acting like one is better than the other if foolish.

Do you have any comment on the public statement
made by Wagdi Ghoneim?

I think it is sad.

However, I try to divorce followers of a religion from the religion itself. Muslims from Islam, Christians from the Bible. The Holy scriptures of each are the essence of their respective religion. Everything else (mosques, churches, cathedrals, art, etc.) and followers of each faith is BS in comparison to the scriptures of each.

I believe the socioeconomic factors of a person's life is way more influential on their actions than their religion. I believe that is the most compelling reason that Christianity has enjoyed a relatively peaceful and privileged status of "goodness" relative to Islam at the present time. As I stated in my post to OS, I believe people's innate self-preservation will twist the scripture they are exposed to, to fit their personal mission in life. It does not mean that religion is truly the fundamental reason for their actions. It is merely a means of justifying their radical actions which are born from socioeconomic factors.

Furthermore, the leaders of each organized religion abuse their power. It is more pronounced in the Middle East because the socioeconomic factors are much worse than here at home. The people turn to religion to help escape the misery of their reality. The religious leaders (who are normally political figures as well in that part of the world) use this desperation to advance their own interests.

For these reasons which I just outlined, and for various other ones, I believe it is ignorant to try and tout one religion as infer than another. Furthermore, it is childish to point fingers at the other side when their followers do something horrific as if they adequately reflect the scripture of their "religion".

At the most rudimentary level, religion is religion. There really is no difference. They are just different ways of achieving the same ends. A different way of escaping the horrors and suffering of our reality. The dilemma of having a big enough brain to question, but not big enough to answer all of life's challenging questions.
 
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The teachings of Christ promote free will but warns of hell. Teachings of Muhammad endorses death to any Muslim who leaves Islam. Just one example of how different they are.

I understand the argument though, there has been a lot of manipulation in the churches. I put my faith in Christ and not a religion, which Jesus wanted to abolish (in my opinion). Another difference in the two.

I will add that 'religion' itself has had a negative consequence in bringing people to God.
 
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Probably. My overall big point is that religion is religion. Acting like one is better than the other if foolish.


I think it is sad.

However, I try to divorce followers of a religion from the religion itself. Muslims from Islam, Christians from the Bible. The Holy scriptures of each are the essence of their respective religion. Everything else (mosques, churches, cathedrals, art, etc.) and followers of each faith is BS in comparison to the scriptures of each.

I believe the socioeconomic factors of a person's life is way more influential on their actions than their religion. I believe that is the most compelling reason that Christianity has enjoyed a relatively peaceful and privileged status of "goodness" relative to Islam at the present time. As I stated in my post to OS, I believe people's innate self-preservation will twist the scripture they are exposed to, to fit their personal mission in life. It does not mean that religion is truly the fundamental reason for their actions. It is merely a means of justifying their radical actions which are born from socioeconomic factors.

Furthermore, the leaders of each organized religion abuse their power. It is more pronounced in the Middle East because the socioeconomic factors are much worse than here at home. The people turn to religion to help escape the misery of their reality. The religious leaders (who are normally political figures as well in that part of the world) use this desperation to advance their own interests.

For these reasons which I just outlined, and for various other ones, I believe it is ignorant to try and tout one religion as infer than another. Furthermore, it is childish to point fingers at the other side when their followers do something horrific as if they adequately reflect the scripture of their "religion".

At the most rudimentary level, religion is religion. There really is no difference. They are just different ways of achieving the same ends. A different way of escaping the horrors and suffering of our reality. The dilemma of having a big enough brain to question, but not big enough to answer all of life's challenging questions.

And that is where you are fundamentally wrong.

Study the teachings of the one religion against the other and then to say that they are basically the same is just as ignorant as a box of rocks.

So I leave aside the argument of whether one is better than the other, but I will argue all day long that the two are so fundamentally different that it is just plain stupid to say they are the same.
 
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The teachings of Christ promote free will but warns of hell. Teachings of Muhammad endorses death to any Muslim who leaves Islam. Just one example of how different they are.

And that is where you are fundamentally wrong.

Study the teachings of the one religion against the other and then to say that they are basically the same is just as ignorant as a box of rocks.

So I leave aside the argument of whether one is better than the other, but I will argue all day long that the two are so fundamentally different that it is just plain stupid to say they are the same.

You can't see the forest through the trees.
 
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You can't see the forest through the trees.

Put the shoe on the other foot.

What if a prominent Christian leader made such a statement about a recently deceased moslem leader?

Would there be rioting in a dozen countries with multiple deaths until the Christian leader apologized profusely for his comment?

Remember the Pope's statement at an interfaith dialog symposium quoting a 12th century Greek scholar in a dialog with a prominent Peresian islamic scholar.

What happened then? How many people died, inclucing murdered nuns who were doing nothing more than acting as nurses in a hospital?

The Pope apologized but in reality the moslems proved his point beyond any doubt, and nothing has changed about islam in the 8 centuries since then, or the 7 centuries before that as a matter of fact.

Perhaps it is you who should peep out from behind his tree to see the forest.
 
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Put the shoe on the other foot.

What if a prominent Christian leader made such a statement about a recently deceased moslem leader?

Would there be rioting in a dozen countries with multiple deaths until the Christian leader apologized profusely for his comment?

Remember the Pope's statement at an interfaith dialog symposium quoting a 12th century Greek scholar in a dialog with a prominent Peresian islamic scholar.

What happened then? How many people died, inclucing murdered nuns who were doing nothing more than acting as nurses in a hospital?

The Pope apologized but in reality the moslems proved his point beyond any doubt, and nothing has changed about islam in the 8 centuries since then, or the 7 centuries before that as a matter of fact.

Perhaps it is you who should peep out from behind his tree to see the forest.

the pope is a nancy.
 
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Put the shoe on the other foot.

What if a prominent Christian leader made such a statement about a recently deceased moslem leader?

Would there be rioting in a dozen countries with multiple deaths until the Christian leader apologized profusely for his comment?

Remember the Pope's statement at an interfaith dialog symposium quoting a 12th century Greek scholar in a dialog with a prominent Peresian islamic scholar.

What happened then? How many people died, inclucing murdered nuns who were doing nothing more than acting as nurses in a hospital?

The Pope apologized but in reality the moslems proved his point beyond any doubt, and nothing has changed about islam in the 8 centuries since then, or the 7 centuries before that as a matter of fact.

Perhaps it is you who should peep out from behind his tree to see the forest.

Ok, you first. Do you think that your view about this incident, about international relations, religious matters, personality, ethics, etc. would be different if you were born in the Middle East? Furthermore, do you believe that those Muslims which you find morally, ethically, and religiously egregious, would be to your satisfaction if they were born here?

Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Thank your lucky stars every night that you were born where you were born. It determines most things in your life. We have less free will than one would conventionally think.
 
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1. Ok, you first. Do you think that your view about this incident, about international relations, religious matters, personality, ethics, etc. would be different if you were born in the Middle East? Furthermore, do you believe that those Muslims which you find morally, ethically, and religiously egregious, would be to your satisfaction if they were born here?

2. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Thank your lucky stars every night that you were born where you were born. It determines most things in your life. We have less free will than one would conventionally think.


1. That's beside my point though.

I understand that, put yourself in the shoes of a Copt in Egypt.

The attitude of the indivual muslim isn't determined by anything other than just how much he is desirous of carrying out the mandates of the koran.

2. I am looking at the bigger picture. I do give thanks quite often and usually don't ask for much, yesterday though I did pray for this nation in the particularly troubling times.

I heartily agree with the free will (or lack thereof) aspect, especially when it comes to our government overreaching it's bounds and this administration seems to want to control every aspect of citizen's lives, from what we eat to where we sleep.

In another thread you made the offhand comment that the baby boomers would go down in history as the worst generation in history You have one thing at least to thank them for. The end of conscription into the military, if the US government ever attempts to reinstate the draft, people should start burning things down.
 
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1. That's beside my point though.

I understand that, put yourself in the shoes of a Copt in Egypt.

The attitude of the indivual muslim isn't determined by anything other than just how much he is desirous of carrying out the mandates of the koran.

2. I am looking at the bigger picture. I do give thanks quite often and usually don't ask for much, yesterday though I did pray for this nation in the particularly troubling times.

I heartily agree with the free will (or lack thereof) aspect, especially when it comes to our government overreaching it's bounds and this administration seems to want to control every aspect of citizen's lives, from what we eat to where we sleep.

In another thread you made the offhand comment that the baby boomers would go down in history as the worst generation in history You have one thing at least to thank them for. The end of conscription into the military, if the US government ever attempts to reinstate the draft, people should start burning things down.

1) It is not besides the point. In the bigger picture, it is completely valid. As for the Copts of Egypt, it is unfortunate. Personally, I would move. If they are smart or know history or both, they would know that a bad socioeconomic situation plus fervent religious dogma is a bad combination.

Your assertion about the individual Muslim is completely and totally wrong.

2) I am not sure where you are going with free will and the government. If it is going the direction I think it is going, I will refer you to the notion of social contracts.

As for the baby boomers, they suck. I hate them with a passion. At least my parents (baby boomers) agree with me. It allows me stomach their crimes against our generation and our future generations.
 
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1) It is not besides the point. In the bigger picture, it is completely valid. As for the Copts of Egypt, it is unfortunate. Personally, I would move. If they are smart or know history or both, they would know that a bad socioeconomic situation plus fervent religious dogma is a bad combination.

Your assertion about the individual Muslim is completely and totally wrong.

2) I am not sure where you are going with free will and the government. If it is going the direction I think it is going, I will refer you to the notion of social contracts.

As for the baby boomers, they suck. I hate them with a passion. At least my parents (baby boomers) agree with me. It allows me stomach their crimes against our generation and our future generations.


1. Where do you think the Copts should go when they leave their homeland?

For now, I'll just agree to disagree about the individual muslim, if you will.

FWIW I've had individual interaction with muslims dating back to the sixties and believe what I say is true.

As for the bigger pictue, I am interested in your response to the following:

Sun News : Islamist revolution for sale in TO bookstore

TORONTO - An Islamic bookstore in east Toronto is selling books that urge Muslims to usurp the Western world and install an Islamic State in its place.

The books, written by deceased Islamic scholar Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - are available at the Islamic Circle of North America bookstore in Scarborough.

"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation that rules it," Maududi wrote in Jihad in Islam. "Islam requires the earth - not just a portion - but the whole planet."

Maududi was an influential Pakistani journalist, theologian and Muslim revivalist leader who wrote more than 120 books and pamphlets and lived from 1903 to 1979.

He is described in the preface of one of the books as an author who "provided the present-day revival of Islam with its intellectual foundations."

FWIW, in '65 and '66 I manned a desk next to what I think is the smartest man i've ever spent much time with, we analized Russian military communications, he had first began was a Chinese linguist, (the creme of the crop), then crosstrained to Russian and was scheduled go to Arabic school.

He maintained the major problem looming on the horizon for America wouldn't be Russia or China, it would be the world of islamand gave me some pretty good facts and data to back that up, how right he was.







2. Interesting.

What do you mean by social contracts, private or goverment to citizen?

What years do you consider inclusive of the baby boomer generation?

What years were your parents born?

What do you consider the crimes of the baby boomer generation?
 
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1. Where do you think the Copts should go when they leave their homeland?

Ummm...anywhere that is safe for them and their family. I think anybody in their situation would want to do the same. The real question would be if they had the means to move. If I didn't, I would keep a very low profile in the Middle East.

For now, I'll just agree to disagree about the individual muslim, if you will.

Ok.

As for the bigger pictue, I am interested in your response to the following:

He maintained the major problem looming on the horizon for America wouldn't be Russia or China, it would be the world of islamand gave me some pretty good facts and data to back that up, how right he was.

It depends on how you look at it. From a cultural standpoint, they can defineitly take over the world. It is entirely possible.

However, they will never be able to dominate the world as long as there is a non-Muslim nation state. Fervent Islam tends to look down upon science and technology. Until the wild influx of money due to crude oil, the Middle East was a total ****hole. Due to the vast corruption in the various regimes across the region, despite all the wealth from oil, it still is in most areas. When the technology of alternative energy eclipses a certain point, they are going to be screwed (although developing countries will bail them out a little longer). Their relevance to the superpowers will, again, fade into obscurity.

In short, Islam will continue to spread and increase its influence of relevance. However, we have nothing to worry about because we are becoming a secular nation state more and more everyday. The future socioeconomic hardship of the Islamic world will cause a steady drop in their sphere of influence (after the initial expansion I previously alluded to). The availability and relative easy of Western culture, centered around their modern technology, will also play a role in this.

As for the article you linked, I view that as an isolated incident. There are radicals in every religious and political doctrine. Through their relative radical notions, they tend to get all the publicity. It does not necessarily follow that they are an accurate representation of a grassroots movement.

2. Interesting.

What do you mean by social contracts, private or goverment to citizen?

RT and myself talked about this a couple months ago. Social contracts are referred to as "social" for a reason. They are not individual contracts with the government. They are contracts between a group of people, citizens, with themselves (essentially) to adopt a governing body which meets the standards, needs, and expectations of the majority. If the governing body strays from fulfilling those guidelines, the citizens reserve the right to terminate the contract (overthrow the government).

What years do you consider inclusive of the baby boomer generation?

What years were your parents born?

My father was born in '46 and my mother was born in '51.

What do you consider the crimes of the baby boomer generation?

Their incredible selfishness. They were handed almost everything by "the greatest generation". They grew up with the comforts of everything, unlike the generation before them which grew up with absolutely nothing. Since then, they have constantly voted either implicitly or explicitly to embetter themselves at the expense of future generations. That is to briefly sum it up. I also think to a lesser extent, the advancement of matriarchy by the baby boomers has negatively effected the social structure of our society and inevitably the country as a whole (btw, not just limited to the US).
 
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1. Ummm...anywhere that is safe for them and their family. I think anybody in their situation would want to do the same. The real question would be if they had the means to move. If I didn't, I would keep a very low profile in the Middle East.



2. Ok.



3. It depends on how you look at it. From a cultural standpoint, they can defineitly take over the world. It is entirely possible.

However, they will never be able to dominate the world as long as there is a non-Muslim nation state. Fervent Islam tends to look down upon science and technology. Until the wild influx of money due to crude oil, the Middle East was a total ****hole. Due to the vast corruption in the various regimes across the region, despite all the wealth from oil, it still is in most areas. When the technology of alternative energy eclipses a certain point, they are going to be screwed (although developing countries will bail them out a little longer). Their relevance to the superpowers will, again, fade into obscurity.

In short, Islam will continue to spread and increase its influence of relevance. However, we have nothing to worry about because we are becoming a secular nation state more and more everyday. The future socioeconomic hardship of the Islamic world will cause a steady drop in their sphere of influence (after the initial expansion I previously alluded to). The availability and relative easy of Western culture, centered around their modern technology, will also play a role in this.

4. As for the article you linked, I view that as an isolated incident. There are radicals in every religious and political doctrine. Through their relative radical notions, they tend to get all the publicity. It does not necessarily follow that they are an accurate representation of a grassroots movement.



5. RT and myself talked about this a couple months ago. Social contracts are referred to as "social" for a reason. They are not individual contracts with the government. They are contracts between a group of people, citizens, with themselves (essentially) to adopt a governing body which meets the standards, needs, and expectations of the majority. If the governing body strays from fulfilling those guidelines, the citizens reserve the right to terminate the contract (overthrow the government).



6. My father was born in '46 and my mother was born in '51.



7. Their incredible selfishness. They were handed almost everything by "the greatest generation". They grew up with the comforts of everything, unlike the generation before them which grew up with absolutely nothing. Since then, they have constantly voted either implicitly or explicitly to embetter themselves at the expense of future generations. That is to briefly sum it up. I also think to a lesser extent, the advancement of matriarchy by the baby boomers has negatively effected the social structure of our society and inevitably the country as a whole (btw, not just limited to the US).


1. It isn't just egypt, it is every contry in the world that is dominated by islam and even in such countries as Kenya which has only about a 5% muslim population.

I won't belaber the point by listing all the countries but at least you aren't one of those who deny this campaign is continuing.

One of the biggest problems is our own government, particularly the current administration that won't use it's diplomatic or even military influence to reduce or stop such activity.

An interesting read, the guy that does this blog is one of the best at producing an erudite view on the topics about which he writes.

Sultan Knish a blog by Daniel Greenfield

On Christmas Day of last year, Muslim terrorists set off bombs in churches across Nigeria. It was one of the worst attacks by Boko Haram which is determined to continue its reign of terror until the country is ruled by Muslim law. Christian pastors have been beheaded by Boko Haram and a spokesman for the group has openly stated that their interim goal is "to eradicate Christians from certain parts of the country."

The Boko Haram death toll has surpassed a thousand in only a few years. It has killed 250 people this year alone. It draws inspiration from the Taliban, has links to Al-Qaeda and has carried out numerous sophisticated attacks, including multiple car bombings.

That leaves one question. Why hasn't Boko Haram been designated a terrorist organization? it has killed more people than some of the organizations on the list and it is dedicated to ethnic cleansing, something that we decided was unacceptable when it came to Muslims. Shouldn't it then be equally unacceptable when it is being done by Muslims to Christians?

I suggest when the muslims have eliminated Christians from 'certain parts' of the country, then other 'certain parts' will be designated.

Why do we have a media blackout of this and many more examples that are the same.

Why no public outrage in America?

When the alternative media came along I was appalled that the Arab muslims of Sudan had slaughtered 2 million black Africans in Southern Sudan? Why did I never hear of that being reported in the lame stream media during the thirty years that the genocide went on.

BTW, just for perspective, at the end of WWII, Sudan was 20% muslim Arab, today it is 80% muslim Arab.

3. I agree with most of what you say but what of the extensive problems being experienced in the secular European states concerning muslims and islam?

Wouldn't it be better to do something to counter the problem now rather than later?

4. Again we can agree to disagree, there is nothing at all isolated about his statement and his writings, look only the the muslim brotherhood and the Saudi wahibbi influence that funds about 80% of the imams preaching in the mosques of America. BTW, mosques in America are increasing exponentually.

5. Some of the founding fathers said that we have not only the right but the duty to overthrow corrupt, oppressive government. Actually doing that is not only daunting but formidable these days. As for the majority, 67% of the American people oppose Obamacare but we are dangerously close to having that social contract, whether we like it or not. The socialists say they have no need of a majority, all they need is a very dedicated 12 to 20%, that's what is actually happening today.


7. I predate them by a few years and I for one have always opposed advancing socialism and increased national indebtedness. As a matter of fact I have expressed repeatedly that I am livid about the current rate of deficit spending because it is making my grandchildren into slaves.

I doubt it is the baby boomers who are to blame for electing Barack Obama and although baby boomers may have supported Bush, look at the sorry other choices, Al global warming Gore and John Freaking Kerry.

Not all baby boomers think alike, I for instance live for the day I can piss on John Kerry's tombstone and publish it on the internet.

So don't blame me for what the government has done over my objections.
 
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1. It isn't just egypt, it is every contry in the world that is dominated by islam and even in such countries as Kenya which has only about a 5% muslim population.

That is simply not true. You can look at countries like Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, etc.

I won't belaber the point by listing all the countries but at least you aren't one of those who deny this campaign is continuing.

I don't think others deny the atrocities of the Middle East. However, they tend to not make it a reflection of Islam itself but rather the socioeconomic and political factors involved. Most Muslims are peaceful. Also, secular people reject arguments in which Christians utilize the violence of the Islamic world to build the case that the Christian faith is insuperable.

One of the biggest problems is our own government, particularly the current administration that won't use it's diplomatic or even military influence to reduce or stop such activity.

It is not our problem. Unless there is straight up genocide, we have no business being there. Even if there is genocide, ideally, the United Nations would step in. They were set up for just such a purpose. Sadly, the are completely useless.

Why do we have a media blackout of this and many more examples that are the same.

Why no public outrage in America?

When the alternative media came along I was appalled that the Arab muslims of Sudan had slaughtered 2 million black Africans in Southern Sudan? Why did I never hear of that being reported in the lame stream media during the thirty years that the genocide went on.

Because it does not sell. Media is a business like anything else. It is driven by ratings which is cash in their pockets. People in the States simply don't care to hear about sort of thing.

3. I agree with most of what you say but what of the extensive problems being experienced in the secular European states concerning muslims and islam?

Wouldn't it be better to do something to counter the problem now rather than later?

They will deal with it at the appropriate time. If the US is any yard stick, the sh*t will have to hit the fan before the general public wakes up.

4. Again we can agree to disagree, there is nothing at all isolated about his statement and his writings, look only the the muslim brotherhood and the Saudi wahibbi influence that funds about 80% of the imams preaching in the mosques of America. BTW, mosques in America are increasing exponentually.

I simply don't believe that. If such anti-American propaganda was that prevalent in US mosques, we would hear about it. I think your sources are grossly exaggerating the truth. Neither you (presumably) or myself have ever been to mass in a mosque. So I reserve the right to withhold judgement.

5. Some of the founding fathers said that we have not only the right but the duty to overthrow corrupt, oppressive government. Actually doing that is not only daunting but formidable these days. As for the majority, 67% of the American people oppose Obamacare but we are dangerously close to having that social contract, whether we like it or not. The socialists say they have no need of a majority, all they need is a very dedicated 12 to 20%, that's what is actually happening today.

Social contracts are dynamic. Like a free market, they will work themselves out naturally. No need to worry.

7. I predate them by a few years and I for one have always opposed advancing socialism and increased national indebtedness. As a matter of fact I have expressed repeatedly that I am livid about the current rate of deficit spending because it is making my grandchildren into slaves.

I doubt it is the baby boomers who are to blame for electing Barack Obama and although baby boomers may have supported Bush, look at the sorry other choices, Al global warming Gore and John Freaking Kerry.

Not all baby boomers think alike, I for instance live for the day I can piss on John Kerry's tombstone and publish it on the internet.

So don't blame me for what the government has done over my objections.

Like I said, they vote either explicitly or implicitly to f*** over the future generations.

I will say, like any stereotype, there are exceptions to the rule. But as a group, they suck. They are borderline criminals.
 
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That. And this generation eventually has to get used to the idea that we are the first generation in a while that will have less benefits than our mothers and fathers...or I think so anyway. Buck has to stop somewhere.
 

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