Republicans Opposing Legal Immigration

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Majors said:
Pelosi: Florida farmers need immigrants to 'pick the crops'

Waiting on Harris to chime in like she did on the agents on horseback
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It's the WH's duty to rein in the border patrol and it's not their duty to rein in a congresswoman, especially when she didn't do or say anything wrong. You can argue the border patrol did nothing wrong, whatever, but you have to also admit that what happened was not good optics for the WH, so of course they spoke out.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's the WH's duty to rein in the border patrol and it's not their duty to rein in a congresswoman, especially when she didn't do or say anything wrong. You can argue the border patrol did nothing wrong, whatever, but you have to also admit that what happened was not good optics for the WH, so of course they spoke out.
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Took 18 months for the report to come out that the boarder agents didn't whip. Harris still hasn't walked back that comment or apologized to those agents for the slavery comment... Biden hasn't either. #3 in power doesn't say immigrants need to "pick the crops"
 
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Majors said:
Took 18 months for the report to come out that the boarder agents didn't whip. Harris still hasn't walked back that comment or apologized to those agents for the slavery comment... Biden hasn't either. #3 in power doesn't say immigrants need to "pick the crops"
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The admin has admitted they weren't whipped. I'm trying to search for a quote of hers with the word "whip" in it, and I can't find it, so what does she have to walk back? The optics are still problematic. I would guess she still doesn't want border agents acting like asylum seekers are cattle/less than human. Why does she need to apologize?
 
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n_huffhines said:
The admin has admitted they weren't whipped. I'm trying to search for a quote of hers with the word "whip" in it, and I can't find it, so what does she have to walk back? The optics are still problematic. I would guess she still doesn't want border agents acting like asylum seekers are cattle/less than human. Why does she need to apologize?
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Harris says images of Border Patrol on horseback evoked ‘times of slavery’ | The Hill

Harris Claims Footage of Border Patrol on Horseback Is Reminiscent of ‘Times of Slavery’ | National Review

Admitted they weren't whipped? Seems they didn't anything. Unless you can point me in the direction where the VP or the President went back and apologized for not having all the facts at the time.
 
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Majors said:
Harris says images of Border Patrol on horseback evoked ‘times of slavery’ | The Hill

Harris Claims Footage of Border Patrol on Horseback Is Reminiscent of ‘Times of Slavery’ | National Review

Admitted they weren't whipped? Seems they didn't anything. Unless you can point me in the direction where the VP or the President went back and apologized for not having all the facts at the time.
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Neither of those links have her saying anything factually incorrect. You said she should walk back her statement with the context that the investigation found no people were whipped, but what she said didn't rely on the understanding that people were whipped. It's still problematic to her either way. It's not incorrect to say that corralling people like cattle, whether they are whipped or not, is reminiscent of how slaves were treated. It's just a subjective judgment of something that happened. You wouldn't walk something back if your judgment of a situation didn't change, would you?

Are you really offended by somebody saying we need immigrants to do the kind of work that we typically hire immigrants to do? What does that have to do with slavery?

Border agents falsely accused of 'whipping' migrants punishment
 
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n_huffhines said:
Neither of those links have her saying anything factually incorrect. You said she should walk back her statement with the context that the investigation found no people were whipped, but what she said didn't rely on the understanding that people were whipped. It's still problematic to her either way. It's not incorrect to say that corralling people like cattle, whether they are whipped or not, is reminiscent of how slaves were treated. It's just a subjective judgment of something that happened. You wouldn't walk something back if your judgment of a situation didn't change, would you?

Are you really offended by somebody saying we need immigrants to do the kind of work that we typically hire immigrants to do? What does that have to do with slavery?

Border agents falsely accused of 'whipping' migrants punishment
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They had whips and her words were "times of slavery"

You ok with someone of power saying immigrants are needed "pick the crops".
 
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AM64 said:
Partial walls of any kind don't do much good. Imagine a house with partial walls in a rainstorm. If you think walls don't work, then why are prisons full of inmates?
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Or a house with no locks or alarms. People have no problem locking their own doors or paying those monthly security fees (multi billion dollar industry)
 
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AM64 said:
Partial walls of any kind don't do much good. Imagine a house with partial walls in a rainstorm. If you think walls don't work, then why are prisons full of inmates?
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Prison walls do a pretty good job keeping people in, in a very closely monitored, small space. Prison walls have proven to be utter failures at keeping drugs out, so funny you should mention them.

A child would think it's convincing to compare a home in a storm or a prison to 2,000 miles of border.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Prison walls do a pretty good job keeping people in, in a very closely monitored, small space. Prison walls have proven to be utter failures at keeping drugs out, so funny you should mention them.

A child would think it's convincing to compare a home in a storm or a prison to 2,000 miles of border.
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The point is X miles of wall isn't going to be much of a deterrent if it's bounded by open border - just go around. Same with drugs and prison walls. Why try to import drugs through, over, or under when someone can just smuggle them through a gate. There are two old sayings at work. "Where there's a will there's a way" and "Locks on doors keep honest people honest". Perhaps you are saying people crossing the borders illegally aren't honest, but we should welcome them anyway? Unmonitored border walls aren't likely to work, but they will work to keep the less dedicated people out. By your argument we'd have to suppose that nobody pays for anything in stores since checkouts and security systems are ineffective because some people find a way around.
 
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AM64 said:
The point is X miles of wall isn't going to be much of a deterrent if it's bounded by open border - just go around. Same with drugs and prison walls. Why try to import drugs through, over, or under when someone can just smuggle them through a gate. There are two old sayings at work. "Where there's a will there's a way" and "Locks on doors keep honest people honest". Perhaps you are saying people crossing the borders illegally aren't honest, but we should welcome them anyway? Unmonitored border walls aren't likely to work, but they will work to keep the less dedicated people out. By your argument we'd have to suppose that nobody pays for anything in stores since checkouts and security systems are ineffective because some people find a way around.
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But you can just go over or under or break the wall. Hell, Mother Nature has already destroyed some of Trump's wall, illustrating the well-voiced criticism that maintenance will be a money pit. You can also enter legally and overstay, which (last I checked) is the most common method. Right now, a huge portion of the chaos at the border pertains to refugees and asylum seekers. Is a complete wall a deterrent on some level? Yes. Would it be much more than a dent? Doubtful. Will we get our money's worth? Not a chance in hell.

Trump's Border Wall Torn Apart by Arizona Monsoon Rains
 
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n_huffhines said:
But you can just go over or under or break the wall. Hell, Mother Nature has already destroyed some of Trump's wall, illustrating the well-voiced criticism that maintenance will be a money pit. You can also enter legally and overstay, which (last I checked) is the most common method. Right now, a huge portion of the chaos at the border pertains to refugees and asylum seekers. Is a complete wall a deterrent on some level? Yes. Would it be much more than a dent? Doubtful. Will we get our money's worth? Not a chance in hell.

Trump's Border Wall Torn Apart by Arizona Monsoon Rains
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So the message is that the government can be fleeced by contractors. That's hardly a news flash, since contractors have been fleecing governments for decades. Some might say it's a failure by governments to hire decent people and promote work ethic.
 
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Majors said:
They had whips and her words were "times of slavery"
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And?

You ok with someone of power saying immigrants are needed "pick the crops".
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Yes, for God's sake. Holy ****. Yes. Americans will not do this work at the level that needs to be done. The economy needs immigrants to perform these jobs, and they are ready and willing to accept. What is offensive about this? It's just capitalism and freedom at work. It's the opposite of slavery.
 
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AM64 said:
So the message is that the government can be fleeced by contractors. That's hardly a news flash, since contractors have been fleecing governments for decades. Some might say it's a failure by governments to hire decent people and promote work ethic.
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Hahaha. Blame the contractor when ultimately, it's government failure. People who have been around the block accounted for this possibility when Trump promised ridiculous results, and that's why we made fun of him the whole time and have been proven right. He didn't build anything remotely close to a complete wall. He didn't make Mexico pay for it. And his wall is a POS. But sure, let's pass the buck to the contractors. It certainly doesn't stop with Trump for you guys.
 
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n_huffhines said:
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Yes, for God's sake. Holy ****. Yes. Americans will not do this work at the level that needs to be done. The economy needs immigrants to perform these jobs, and they are ready and willing to accept. What is offensive about this? It's just capitalism and freedom at work. It's the opposite of slavery.
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Americans aren't going to work if the nanny state makes it possible not to work. We may or may not need immigrant labor, but we sure do need to put our own people back to work before deciding that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Hahaha. Blame the contractor when ultimately, it's government failure. People who have been around the block accounted for this possibility when Trump promised ridiculous results, and that's why we made fun of him the whole time and have been proven right. He didn't build anything remotely close to a complete wall. He didn't make Mexico pay for it. And his wall is a POS. But sure, let's pass the buck to the contractors. It certainly doesn't stop with Trump for you guys.
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I guarantee I can build a border wall that they can't go over or under. How many illegals have you seen scaling the wall as it is, a handful carting drugs? Charge the thing with electricity at the top put a 4 foot half pipe on it and they won't be climbing it for damn sure, drive steel plates 20 feet under it and they won't tunnel under it. Doing this would probably only cost a few billion out of the inflation reduction act or may a few more from the "bipartisan" infrastructure act.
 
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AM64 said:
Americans aren't going to work if the nanny state makes it possible not to work. We may or may not need immigrant labor, but we sure do need to put our own people back to work before deciding that.
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Your solution to the labor shortage in agriculture is a politically impossible solution (the nanny state isn't going away) instead of a politically feasible solution that keeps the price of food down.
 
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n_huffhines said:
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Yes, for God's sake. Holy ****. Yes. Americans will not do this work at the level that needs to be done. The economy needs immigrants to perform these jobs, and they are ready and willing to accept. What is offensive about this? It's just capitalism and freedom at work. It's the opposite of slavery.
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And, she was wrong and spoke before she had the facts. That’s the and.

Telling anyone, that people of color are needed to pick crops is racist not capitalism.
 
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Majors said:
And, she was wrong and spoke before she had the facts. That’s the and.

Telling anyone, that people of color are needed to pick crops is racist not capitalism.
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Immigrant =/= POC

Like it or not, her solution was based in capitalism and freedom. I think you're pretending to be offended and now you've found yourself in an awkward position where you are opposing capitalism and freedom.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Immigrant =/= POC

Like it or not, her solution was based in capitalism and freedom. I think you're pretending to be offended and now you've found yourself in an awkward position where you are opposing capitalism and freedom.
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I’m not offended. Not the first time the left has tossed out polite racism. Kind of expected.
 
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