Revealing Info from Dane Bradshaw

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allvol21 said:
lol ok...I guess I just pulled that one out of my ass. I attended calapari's coaching clinic this year in october and have nearly 25 pages on his offensive philisophy and I will stand by my word.
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I've attended probably 50 oF Cal's practices over the years. The next time he advocates jacking around for 25 seconds, then having guys look to him for a bailout playcall will be the first. Your word means squat to me.
 
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allvol21 said:
Are you familiar with a secondary break?
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I forgot more basketball waiting for the page to load than you know. People wonder why I use the ignore option so often. You're a perfect example of why. Now, run off to another clinic. It's obvious you're in dire need.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I've attended probably 50 oF Cal's practices over the years. The next time he advocates jacking around for 25 seconds, then having guys look to him for a bailout playcall will be the first. Your word means squat to me.
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See all you are trying do is belittle the topic at hand by saying jacking around for 25 seconds. So you are saying that coach cal calls a set play as soon as the team crosses half court? He never lets them flow into the dribble drive and then calls a set out of it later in the clock? if you are saying that then this is very simple you are wrong. Please research the secondary break and see how many coaches run it. You will find many more than not.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I forgot more basketball waiting for the page to load than you know. People wonder why I use the ignore option so often. You're a perfect example of why. Now, run off to another clinic. It's obvious you're in dire need.
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Maybe thats why you aren't familiar with cal running a secondary because you forgot. In your brilliance of the game I will be glad to admit me being completely oblivious to the topic at hand when you list a number coaches with a reference that do not run a secondary break and play an up tempo style. Of course the easy way to maintain your high status on here would be to respond sarcastically to the challenge.
 
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The secondary break has nothing to do with the silliness that Bradshaw described.

The crap he described has a default to standing around in starting positions until a play is called. Our play proves it.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
What Bradshaw meant to say was:

When CBP puts us in the Flex, he is basically giving the players 15-20 seconds to throw up a brick or turn the ball over on their own. Then, if that doesn't happen, he is shocked and confused and then decides to yell at whoever has the ball at the time to hurry up and shoot. He'd prefer our guys to actually score in the Flex so he wouldn't have to do any coaching, but it looks like they are just moving the ball around the perimeter waiting for his coaching... Which never comes.
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Yeah, this is really, very productive! Good job!
 
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hatvol96 said:
I forgot more basketball waiting for the page to load than you know. People wonder why I use the ignore option so often. You're a perfect example of why. Now, run off to another clinic. It's obvious you're in dire need.
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There's an ignore button! Please instruct me on how this is used. I have someone in particular i want to ignore. It would make coming on VN bearable....
 
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Florrible said:
There's an ignore button! Please instruct me on how this is used. I have someone in particular i want to ignore. It would make coming on VN bearable....
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My guess is that the system won't allow you to ignore yourself, but I think it's worth a shot in your case.
 
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FTR,

I was in attendance at the game yesterday and tried to give some attention to Pearl on the sideline and the guards to see if they were in fact doing this. For the majority of the game, this did not appear to be the case. I saw CBP call a play early in the possession and the guards only look back if there was a reset of the offense. There were times when I did see us seem to be in this mode of play. It seemed that we really went to this late in the game (say under 5 mins) when we were trying to run some clock.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
yea, I was surprised by that answer too. (I was the caller that asked the OQ)

But, it makes sense now, no wonder why they look like deer in headlights sometimes. They just waste half the shot clock passing the ball around being timid looking for the defense to make mistakes as opposed to forcing the defense to make mistakes by being aggressive and driving the ball. Someone needs to step up and make a play by penetrating... so that means....

A) Prince, DON'T ever shoot the ball. If you take a shot, your hands should be touching the rim milliseconds after letting go of the ball.... MOVE W/O THE BALL

B) Maze, you're the POINT guard, NOT the SHOOTING guard, so... create shots via driving and making a basket or by dishing to someone down low or dish it outside to McBee/Hopson/Tatum while drawing defenders through penetration. You taking shots, IMO is a wasted possession, youÂ’re not supposed to take shots unless itÂ’s a broken play. YouÂ’re job is to create shots 1st and take them..................... last.

Guys, hereÂ’s the real problem with this team. You have too many guys that arenÂ’t hungry. TheyÂ’re fat and happy and it shows. You know thereÂ’s a problem with the team when the hungriest player on the team is, yep, you guess it, McBee, a walk on freshman SG. This is 100% on Pearl. He needs to motivate these seniors, but heÂ’s been around them forever and maybe he needs to take a different approach, because whatever heÂ’s doing now, isnÂ’t working. ItÂ’s like heÂ’s afraid to hurt their feelings with what he might say/do to motivate them. ItÂ’s obvious Tyler has somehow taken a step back from last year. A lack of motivation is the only explanation for this. It just doesnÂ’t make sense that a senior/veteran laden team is performing so poorly together.

Passion... Poise... Purpose... Poise maybe, but I don't see and Passion or Purpose out of these guys and that's a big problem.
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You sound as if we lost to Memphis. I think we won that game.
 
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Darn I thought this was a "Revealing picture of Dane Bradshaw" thread....I am very disappointed!


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#38
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BigPapaVol said:
The secondary break has nothing to do with the silliness that Bradshaw described.

The crap he described has a default to standing around in starting positions until a play is called. Our play proves it.
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No of course not. I was never arguing the terrible effectiveness of our half court offense. I was arguing that teams going from transition to their secondary or primary offense then to call a set out of it later in the shot clock if nothing has come from your primary is very common especially for transition teams that want to score quickly in stead of crossing half court getting the call and then getting in position to run the play.
 
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allvol21 said:
See all you are trying do is belittle the topic at hand by saying jacking around for 25 seconds. So you are saying that coach cal calls a set play as soon as the team crosses half court? He never lets them flow into the dribble drive and then calls a set out of it later in the clock? if you are saying that then this is very simple you are wrong. Please research the secondary break and see how many coaches run it. You will find many more than not.
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The dribble drive is not a secondary break; I'm afraid you're losing this argument terribly. The dribble drive is the primary offense. We don't have a primary offense. We BS for 25 seconds and go into a set play. That is nothing like what UK does.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
The dribble drive is not a secondary break; I'm afraid you're losing this argument terribly. The dribble drive is the primary offense. We don't have a primary offense. We BS for 25 seconds and go into a set play. That is nothing like what UK does.
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if you will ease back earlier in the discussion you will see I say secondary or primary/base offense and If you are not aware that tennessee's primary offense is the flex then you should try watching a game.

There is no argument to lose. It is primary common knowledge in college basketball that most all teams have an offense they transition into. For some it is a secondary which is a simple quick play that has maybe 3 options out of it. For others they flow into their primary or base offense which could be a number of different things such as the dribble drive.

Of course this is not all teams there are teams that like to walk it up and get the call once they settle into half court.
 
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allvol21 said:
if you will ease back earlier in the discussion you will see I say secondary or primary/base offense and If you are not aware that tennessee's primary offense is the flex then you should try watching a game.
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I watch every game. How many times has Tennessee scored out of the flex this year? I would venture to say you could count it on one hand. That's why I said we don't have a primary offense. It's really non-existent. It's a transition bucket, or a bucket off a set play.
 
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Most teams have a base offense. It may be the dribble drive, 4 out or 1 in, flex etc. Alot of teams call it a secondary break.
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This is what I was referring to. A base offense is not a secondary break. And I watch a lot of basketball both high school and college, and I haven't seen anyone run a halfcourt offense that runs a playcall every time down the floor that about 50% of the time ends up being a desperation three.
 
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allvol21 said:
lol seriously? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that philosiphy..in fact it is very common in college basketball. Most teams have a base offense. It may be the dribble drive, 4 out or 1 in, flex etc. Alot of teams call it a secondary break. If you are an up tempo team you don't want to slow the ball down and wait for the call from the bench. Everyone on the floor knows that if we don't have anything in transition we immediately flow into our secondary OR base offense. If nothing is created we can call a set for a quick hitter late in the shot clock.
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I agree..I posted it correctly in this post
 
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kiffinator13 said:
This is what I was referring to. A base offense is not a secondary break. And I watch a lot of basketball both high school and college, and I haven't seen anyone run a halfcourt offense that runs a playcall every time down the floor that about 50% of the time ends up being a desperation three.
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Like have posted previsously I am not trying to justify in any way our half court offense is acceptable. I am simply arguing that people are obviously unawary that alot of teams will have an offense that they transition into and then run a different option or set out of it later on in the possesion.
 
#45
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Sometimes the chatter on these forums get so crazy it is embarrassing. All this complaining about Bruce Pearl is ridiculous. Check his record. Who else would have come here and accomplished what he has?

Is he perfect? Probably not, but it is amazing the harsh things being said, not just after the arrest, but for some time, about a man who has done so much for our BB program.

He has created more excitement about BB at UT than anyone, even including Coach Mears, who was a great promoter.
 
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jim43 said:
Sometimes the chatter on these forums get so crazy it is embarrassing. All this complaining about Bruce Pearl is ridiculous. Check his record. Who else would have come here and accomplished what he has?

Is he perfect? Probably not, but it is amazing the harsh things being said, not just after the arrest, but for some time, about a man who has done so much for our BB program.

He has created more excitement about BB at UT than anyone, even including Coach Mears, who was a great promoter.
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Thank you, Steven.
 
#47
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jim43 said:
Sometimes the chatter on these forums get so crazy it is embarrassing. All this complaining about Bruce Pearl is ridiculous. Check his record. Who else would have come here and accomplished what he has?
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Jerry Green...
 
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