Reviewed Play?

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tonybologna

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Did you guys notice the call that slipped by? The one where Wolf was called down. We attempted to run the next play but got called for a false start. The refs then asked for a review of the Wolf play. Since they stopped the play to review it we should have not been flagged for that false start right! That play should have been dead since they reviewed the previous play.

If a previous play is reviewed then the next play doesn't happen. Nobody including the announcers noticed this. I am correct about this right guys? That's my understanding about the rule for reviewing plays. I think the refs missed this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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I wondered the same thing. It was like they went back in time to review the play but kept the penalty that took place in the future... My guess is the refs were in some sort of space time continuum.
 
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me and my group of friends had a fit about this. I would think you are right buddy. But we are the Tennessee Vols, so things like this go against us. This time 2 weeks from now, itll happen to Ohio St. or somebody and they will remove the penalty, then the NCAA will specifically address it in the rule. But we won't benefit.
 
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Cosmo said:
I wondered the same thing. It was like they went back in time to review the play but kept the penalty that took place in the future... My guess is the refs were in some sort of space time continuum.
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Yeah! I think they got this one wrong!
 
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ButchPlz said:
I guess with a false start the ball never got into play.
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That was my thinking, the ball was never legally snapped due to the false start, therefore the previous play could be challenged. Not saying this is the absolute rule. Would still appreciate full clarification.
 
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It was odd. Maybe you have to actually snap the ball without stoppage to make it unreviewable
 
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Better question; if we had NOT had the false start, would the review have been overruled? I think it's correct to assume that the ball must be snapped and in play for the "official review" to be nullified.
 
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False start is a pre-snap penalty. The same would be true if we broke the huddle with 12 players, or there were a brawl in between the plays. As long as the ball isn't snapped, the play can be reviewed.

What annoys me is the situations where the team hurries to avoid a review, get the play off, and then the refs blow the whistle and claim that the booth 'called down before the snap'.
 
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No, had there not been false start, there would not have been a review as we would have run a play. but the false start gave them more time to think about reviewing it. and with the false start, there was not a play, so they can still go back and review the last play.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Better question; if we had NOT had the false start, would the review have been overruled? I think it's correct to assume that the ball must be snapped and in play for the "official review" to be nullified.
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I just hope we can get some real clarification because this was very weird. My thinking is the ball is dead no matter what if there's a reviewed play. Shouldn't matter if we attempted to run another play or not. That play should be nullified even if there was a penalty.
 
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Actually imo they shouldn't have been allowed to review it cuz they had already moved on to the next play.
 
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tnvols106 said:
No, had there not been false start, there would not have been a review as we would have run a play. but the false start gave them more time to think about reviewing it. and with the false start, there was not a play, so they can still go back and review the last play.
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I still don't see that! There's got be a rule against something like this happening! I understand we didn't physically run a play but the false start did allow more time for considering a review. That doesn't seem right to me though! A penalty is still considered a play right? If a play is reviewed then the previous play is dead!
 
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tonybologna said:
Did you guys notice the call that slipped by? The one where Wolf was called down. We attempted to run the next play but got called for a false start. The refs then asked for a review of the Wolf play. Since they stopped the play to review it we should have not been flagged for that false start right! That play should have been dead since they reviewed the previous play.

If a previous play is reviewed then the next play doesn't happen. Nobody including the announcers noticed this. I am correct about this right guys? That's my understanding about the rule for reviewing plays. I think the refs missed this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I was screaming at the refs on TV over this, and screaming at the game announcers for not questioning this. I'd like to hear an official explanation - and how they could still count a penalty that occurred AFTER the play that was reviewed!
 
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Only thing I can think of is.... Does the false start not count as a play, which would allow them to go back and review the previous play?

Made no sense to me. I thought after the ball was snapped, no prior play was reviewable.
 
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trion23 said:
I was screaming at the refs on TV over this, and screaming at the game announcers for not questioning this. I'd like to hear an official explanation - and how they could still count a penalty that occurred AFTER the play that was reviewed!
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False start is a pre-snap penalty. The play never occurred. All that matters is that a play was never run.

For example, lets say that after that play, one of our guys runs up and punches a Utah State player right in the face. That is a dead-ball, personal foul penalty that would result in 15 yards (and an ejection). Yet, despite being after the play (dead-ball), the play is still reviewable. This is because another play was not run. The same is true of false starts.

If this were not the case, teams could simply get a too many men in the huddle penalty after any big questionable play. Nothing would ever be reviewed. With the current rules, not only does it take longer to set up and run a play, but you also risk essentially losing a down by just running any old play.
 
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Hey, I'll take the blunder anyday considering that Ethan Wolf appeared to have gotten away with a fumble. The last slow down replay showed the ball free at his waist w/o hs elbow touching the ground. Had they ruled it a fumble initially, then they would not have overturned it the other way either. Dude put his hat right on the ball/elbow and it came out. Dodged one their IMO.
 
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