Richard Dawkins -vs- Billy Graham

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Billy Costigan said:
Notice how all the christians seem to be avoiding this comparison because they know the atheists are right? :lol:
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if you're 100% convinced of something then I need to rethink my position. This in no way proves anything you're trying to show. Stick to DiCaprio and Brad Pitt threads since that seems to be the extent of your usefulness on here
 
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rjd970 said:
My opinion of Graham, Falwell, etc...is they are cons running a racket. I have faith this is so. So don't bother arguing it, any evidence presented otherwise or asking me for reasons outside of my faith is insulting.
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Ha!
 
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Billy Costigan said:
which one of these guys would you consider to be smarter and why?
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So to answer the question, which one is smarter and why, I think you have to decide what does "smart" mean to you? For me, when I think of "smart" or even call it wisdom I think of Joe the mechanic that fixes my car. He works in a field that he loves, makes enough to live comfortably but not spoiled and is often happy about his life. His family is close and he has good relationships with his customers and friends. Most importantly, he isn't out chasing some unrealized dream. To me, he is one of the smartest men I know.

Therefore, I would go with Billy Graham. Graham found his calling at an early age, followed it with all of his heart and energy, used what he gained to positively influence millions of people and will leave a legacy that any of us should envy. You may not believe in what he believes in, but you have to respect that he has held true to those beliefs his whole life. And, I don't equate him to any of the flash in the pan TV evangelists who fall apart when things go wrong (and thus expose their lack of faith/belief).

Dawkins is a seeker and an academician. He found his area, certainly, and has put his heart into proving what he believes. But he continues to pursue the dream of proving himself right. Is it a valid endeavor? Certainly. But, does he have the same level of contentment with his beliefs and the same level of happiness with his knowledge? My opinion is that he doesn't, which is why I would pick Graham as the smarter or the two.
 
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YorkVol said:
So to answer the question, which one is smarter and why, I think you have to decide what does "smart" mean to you? For me, when I think of "smart" or even call it wisdom I think of Joe the mechanic that fixes my car. He works in a field that he loves, makes enough to live comfortably but not spoiled and is often happy about his life. His family is close and he has good relationships with his customers and friends. Most importantly, he isn't out chasing some unrealized dream. To me, he is one of the smartest men I know.

Therefore, I would go with Billy Graham. Graham found his calling at an early age, followed it with all of his heart and energy, used what he gained to positively influence millions of people and will leave a legacy that any of us should envy. You may not believe in what he believes in, but you have to respect that he has held true to those beliefs his whole life. And, I don't equate him to any of the flash in the pan TV evangelists who fall apart when things go wrong (and thus expose their lack of faith/belief).

Dawkins is a seeker and an academician. He found his area, certainly, and has put his heart into proving what he believes. But he continues to pursue the dream of proving himself right. Is it a valid endeavor? Certainly. But, does he have the same level of contentment with his beliefs and the same level of happiness with his knowledge? My opinion is that he doesn't, which is why I would pick Graham as the smarter or the two.
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Valid point, but Graham has intelligence in the ways of faith, which is kinda like an oxy-moron...Hawkins has intelligence in tangible things...
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Valid point, but Graham has intelligence in the ways of faith, which is kinda like an oxy-moron...Hawkins has intelligence in tangible things...
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God is very tangible. So I side with Billy Graham. I have visibly seen miracles, I have audibly heard God speak to me. He has often suddenly shown me things and led me to tell others what He showed me about them and they look at me all bug eyed because they know there is no way I could have known what God showed me.

I once was a druggie but now I'm clean. I once was suicidal but now I have an inner joy.

Dawkings and atheism can't help those who are down and out. All they can do is say you're right, you're just a blob of cells with no purpose.

OTOH, Billy G and Jesus C and guys like me can say there is a heaven and there is a hell and you were made to live with and for Christ and if you will you will find joy and reason to live.

So, I say Dawkins is a fool and Billy G is an incredibly wise man.

Maybe Dawkins is smarter...probably is...so what. He's still a total fool.
 
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First off I want to apologize if I've offended anyone. I am a Presbyterian but sometimes, and I hate to admit, I feel a little agnosticy.
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Volsurance said:
God is very tangible. So I side with Billy Graham. I have visibly seen miracles, I have audibly heard God speak to me. He has often suddenly shown me things and led me to tell others what He showed me about them and they look at me all bug eyed because they know there is no way I could have known what God showed me.

I once was a druggie but now I'm clean. I once was suicidal but now I have an inner joy.

Dawkings and atheism can't help those who are down and out. All they can do is say you're right, you're just a blob of cells with no purpose.

OTOH, Billy G and Jesus C and guys like me can say there is a heaven and there is a hell and you were made to live with and for Christ and if you will you will find joy and reason to live.

So, I say Dawkins is a fool and Billy G is an incredibly wise man.

Maybe Dawkins is smarter...probably is...so what. He's still a total fool.
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When God talked to you, was that when you were a druggie?

Billy Graham is a liar if he teaches hell. No such thing. It's a scare tactic.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
First off I want to apologize if I've offended anyone. I am a Presbyterian but sometimes, and I hate to admit, I feel a little agnosticy.
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Vn is not the best place to sort that out there Skippy.
 
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Dawkins has probably forgotten more about the bible than Billy will ever know.

But that could be said about most atheists.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not a huge Bill Graham guy, but that's silly.
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I can't speak to Billy Graham, but I've sought out a lot of priests/pastors/elders etc. and was shocked at how many can't prove what they teach from the Bible. A Presbyterian elder told me that he doesn't believe most of what he teaches, "but it pays the bills."

I'm not a big fan of religion.
 
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Volsurance said:
God is very tangible. So I side with Billy Graham. I have visibly seen miracles, I have audibly heard God speak to me. He has often suddenly shown me things and led me to tell others what He showed me about them and they look at me all bug eyed because they know there is no way I could have known what God showed me.

I once was a druggie but now I'm clean. I once was suicidal but now I have an inner joy.

Dawkings and atheism can't help those who are down and out. All they can do is say you're right, you're just a blob of cells with no purpose.

OTOH, Billy G and Jesus C and guys like me can say there is a heaven and there is a hell and you were made to live with and for Christ and if you will you will find joy and reason to live.

So, I say Dawkins is a fool and Billy G is an incredibly wise man.

Maybe Dawkins is smarter...probably is...so what. He's still a total fool.
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God literally spoke to you? Good grief, I grew up in a religious household and this is even too out there for me...

You sure you were not high when you "heard" God speak to you bud? Also forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the performing of miracles has ended. I haven't cracked open the Bible in a long time though.
 
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Wonder why those that say they hear voices are institutionalized, but those that say they've heard God speak to them are praised?
 
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VOLatile said:
No, but the guy above said so... and how am I supposed to know it's not literal?
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Just ask yourself...

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