Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA).

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JZVOL said:
Question: You're at a red light and a guy shows up at your window pointing a gun at you, do you really think you're going to be able to open the console and get your loaded gun before the person pulls the trigger?

Best option is to put you foot on the gas and haul ace.
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A more likely scenario involes some jackass and his buddy rear ending you, watch you get out of your car to assess the damage, then pull a gun and jack your car. I'd prefer to have my loaded handgun with me in that scenario.

I'd also like to have my gun when I'm walking from my car to my apartment. More than one person has been abducted making that same walk. That's within about a half mile radius of where I live. And I live in a nice part of town.
 
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Don't really get the concept of keeping an unloaded gun in the car. Just pack a crowbar, it is cheaper.
 
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A few years back my wife and I were heading out of housing development and there was a huge SUV in front of us with 3 white rich e thug kids. Well it turns out one of their rear lights were out and it looked as if he was going to turn left. The way was clear and he started to pull out and then he stopped. I pulled forward anticipating that he was turning and I never really got close but the driver got out and started doing his hand girations.

I was going to get out, but my wife told me it was not worth it because I was going to shoot out his tires and point my gun at him and tell him that if he did not stop resisting that I was going to have to shoot him.

:)
 
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utvolpj said:
A person who keeps a loaded gun laying around in their vehicle is likely to do the same in their house. Sure there are no stories out there of accidental shooting because someone accidentally grabbed a loaded gun thinking it wasn't.

So you really think a robber with a gun pointed at you is going to allow you to reach for a properly secured weapon? They want my car that bad they can have it. An insurance claim is much cheaper than a hospital stay
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An unloaded gun is useless for any defense scenario regardless of location. If you have a gun for SD but it isn't loaded there is no point in having the gun.

Accidents where someone is injured or killed through negligence with a firearm is no different than any other means where someone was being an idiot.

The argument you try to make under the set scenario of having someone completely with the drop on you is of no use in refuting the idea that having a weapon in a vehicle has (and I absolutely guarantee will again) saved people from being carjacked.

Your last assumption is that somebody carjacking you is going to be happy with leaving you alone after taking your money/vehicle. Channon Christian/Christopher Newsome come to mind.
 
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hndog609 said:
An unloaded gun is useless for any defense scenario regardless of location. If you have a gun for SD but it isn't loaded there is no point in having the gun.
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unbelievably false. I keep one in my house and can get a round in plenty fast (I've had plenty of practice). And unless you are riding around with it in your lap, a loaded/unloaded gun will make no difference.

hndog609 said:
Accidents where someone is injured or killed through negligence with a firearm is no different than any other means where someone was being an idiot.
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being an idiot has nothing to do with youngsters and their inquiring minds.

The thought of having a gun loaded in any place besides the woods or range is just foreign to me and every bit of training I've even had. There is no need and it's dangerous to yourself and your family.
 
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utvolpj said:
being an idiot has nothing to do with youngsters and their inquiring minds.

The thought of having a gun loaded in any place besides the woods or range is just foreign to me and every bit of training I've even had. There is no need and it's dangerous to yourself and your family.
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You think swimming pools should be unfilled?
 
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utvolpj said:
unbelievably false. I keep one in my house and can get a round in plenty fast (I've had plenty of practice). And unless you are riding around with it in your lap, a loaded/unloaded gun will make no difference.



being an idiot has nothing to do with youngsters and their inquiring minds.

The thought of having a gun loaded in any place besides the woods or range is just foreign to me and every bit of training I've even had. There is no need and it's dangerous to yourself and your family.
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I can, have, and will contend that an unloaded gun is useless. (well, I guess you could hit somebody with it) What you are doing is trying to argue the merits, to your own satisfaction, of how fast you can load a gun. If that works for you I have no issues with it and aside from hoping you'll never need to use a firearm in defense at all I hope that if you do the difference isn't in that time you spent going hot.

The concerns about youngsters is absolutely valid. If you leave a loaded weapon where they can access it you are at best negligent.

Would "make no difference"?? I specifically cited three examples where it did. I'm sure I could find more if you were interested.

I can't help what ideas are foreign to you. If you are uncomfortable with the idea of loaded weapons then you can go without. To a great many people the idea is not the least bit foreign and more than a few of them have saved themselves and others as a result.

Be safe.
 
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utvolpj said:
if you honestly think keeping a loaded gun in a vehicle is a good idea then I doubt you will have to worry about actually getting a permit (at least on the first try).
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This comment makes 0 sense... Thats the purpose of a permit...
 
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utvolpj said:
and I would rather go car shopping than risk either
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Not everyone gets that option.

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