Roger Clemens indicted

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golfballs03 said:
Clemens is most likely going to jail
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gonna be tough to put the guy in jail, even though everyone would agree that he's a lying piece of garbage.

He said, she said with a vendetta and weird trainer habits mixed in. Odd story from every angle.
 
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Hobock said:
If you lie to Congress, it's yo a$$, mista post-man!
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What?

With all the corporate people that go before congress and shovel it by the truck load. They pick a baseball player to make an example out of. My God that's Un-American. Not to mention Self-Serving in they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them!
 
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BigPapaVol said:
gonna be tough to put the guy in jail, even though everyone would agree that he's a lying piece of garbage.

He said, she said with a vendetta and weird trainer habits mixed in. Odd story from every angle.
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He seems determined to take this to trial. The likelihood of him winning that is slim. Losing means jail time is a certainty.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
What?

With all the corporate people that go before congress and shovel it by the truck load. They pick a baseball player to make an example out of. My God that's Un-American. Not to mention Self-Serving in they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them!
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Just curious, who are the last businessmen to have lied under oath to Congress?
 
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There's a huge difference between being evasive in answering a question and flat out looking across the table at a Congressional committee and lying in high profile testimony.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The thing I never understood about Clemens is why it seemed to take everybody (ie, the media) so long to figure out that he was juicing, especially in comparison to Bonds. People just seemed to take for granted that Bonds was hitting the needle, but somehow Clemens got a complete pass on it, even though it had been obvious that he'd been using since he went to Toronto in 97. Fading 34-year-old suddenly has his body explode and starts striking more batters out than ever? Yet it was what, six or seven more years before the media figured it out? Weird.
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What's weird about the media fawning over a white athlete they cast as representing blue collar hard work and toughness and castigating an outspoken black athlete who refused to play the role of house negro? That's the way it has always been.
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GAVol said:
Why on earth did his attorney allow him to testify. He wasn't even compelled to go before Congress, but did so anyway.
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Exactly. Failing to convince Clemens that going before Congress was a fool's errand is borderline malpractice.
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hatvol96 said:
What's weird about the media fawning over a white athlete they cast as representing blue collar hard work and toughness and castigating an outspoken black athlete who refused to play the role of house negro? That's the way it has always been.
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I hate to go there, but there's some truth to that. They went after the surly black guy and largely ignored the surly white guy. Even worse was the pass that McGwire got even though they basically found evidence in his locker.
 
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oh poor Barry Bonds! he was victimized because he wasn't a "house negro". give me a break! the guy was a grade a jackass. that's why the media treated him the way they did. plus, when the whole steroid house started crumbling, the focus was on the home run hitters - particularly the one who broke one of the biggest records in baseball. cheating to reach that mark makes for a pretty big target. and at the time, most didn't expect pitchers to also be juicing.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
What?

With all the corporate people that go before congress and shovel it by the truck load. They pick a baseball player to make an example out of. My God that's Un-American. Not to mention Self-Serving in they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them!
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Of course many people have stood before congress and lied. Proving it is a different story. It's took them 2 years to bring charges. You can bet your farm that Congress will present some damning evidence.
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golfballs03 said:
oh poor Barry Bonds! he was victimized because he wasn't a "house negro". give me a break! the guy was a grade a jackass. that's why the media treated him the way they did. plus, when the whole steroid house started crumbling, the focus was on the home run hitters - particularly the one who broke one of the biggest records in baseball. cheating to reach that mark makes for a pretty big target. and at the time, most didn't expect pitchers to also be juicing.
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Pete Rose is the biggest jackass on the planet. Roger Clemens isn't far behind. Yet, the media spent both of their entire careers fawning over them. Yeah, it's not about race. Now, go crawl back into the oblivious little hole where you live.
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golfballs03 said:
oh poor Barry Bonds! he was victimized because he wasn't a "house negro". give me a break! the guy was a grade a jackass.
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I agree . . . but are you going to tell me that Clemens wasn't also? Remember him throwing the broken bat at Piazza in the All Star game and claiming that he thought it was the ball as if that would have made it better? :crazy:
 
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GAVol said:
I hate to go there, but there's some truth to that. They went after the surly black guy and largely ignored the surly white guy. Even worse was the pass that McGwire got even though they basically found evidence in his locker.
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McGwire signed autographs for the slobs in the stands. Thus, he must be a great guy.
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#44
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GAVol said:
Why on earth did his attorney allow him to testify. He wasn't even compelled to go before Congress, but did so anyway.

People made fun of Mark McGwire saying "I'm not here to talk about the past", but it was the 100% correct answer.
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Rusty likes being on TV. Bleach-blond hair and hot-pink ties look fantastic on a 70 year old man....:)
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Hobock said:
Of course many people have stood before congress and lied. Proving it is a different story. It's took them 2 years to bring charges. You can bet your farm that Congress will present some damning evidence.
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Right. They don't issue indictments unless they are certain they can convict. Clemens is probably done for.
 
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hatvol96 said:
McGwire signed autographs for the slobs in the stands. Thus, he must be a great guy.
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Say what you want about Bonds, but at least when he got roided up and broke the single season HR record he didn't go into the stands and hug the previous record holder's widow.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Pete Rose is the biggest jackass on the planet. Roger Clemens isn't far behind. Yet, the media spent both of their entire careers fawning over them. Yeah, it's not about race. Now, go crawl back into the oblivious little hole where you live.
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I didn't say Rose or Clemens weren't. But saying that Bonds was victimized because he wasn't a "house negro"? that's ridiculous.
 
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