Ron Paul 2012

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GAVol said:
Not the case imo.
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What do you mean? Do you really think that is going to energize the GOP to have Perry or Romney on the ticket?

You think the urge to vote against Obama will be stronger than the urge to vote for Brand X?
 
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trevols81 said:
Him not being a social conservative also doesn't help. He has sound fiscal ideas and isn't a flip flopper but some of his views with regards to the war on terror hurt his chances with the GOP.
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True. Personally, I like the guy a lot, however his ideas on foreign policy particularly Iran scare me frankly.
 
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theFallGuy said:
True. Personally, I like the guy a lot, however his ideas on foreign policy particularly Iran scare me frankly.
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Right now, we have bigger fish to fry. This country is crumbling from the inside out. We can't even begin to fight the enemies outside until we get this country in better shape.

We are in a position right now where we can't afford to walk and chew gum at the same time. Let's focus on one thing before we move on to Iran, Pakistan and North Korea.
 
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theFallGuy said:
True. Personally, I like the guy a lot, however his ideas on foreign policy particularly Iran scare me frankly.
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Oh, and another thing. Border security scares me more than Iran. That should keep you at wake at night more than Iran lobbing nukes. What kind of Al Qaeda terrorists could we find crossing the border from Mexico? There would be no way of stopping them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh, and another thing. Border security scares me more than Iran. That should keep you at wake at night more than Iran lobbing nukes. What kind of Al Qaeda terrorists could we find crossing the border from Mexico? There would be no way of stopping them.
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I agree with border security, but like it or not he did say he didn't have a problem with Iran having "nuclear power". That's extremely naiive IMO.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You think the urge to vote against Obama will be stronger than the urge to vote for Brand X?
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exactly . . . I understand principle, but this is one of those times when I think it's more important to oust the incumbent than wring your hands over not getting the perfect candidate.
 
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GAVol said:
exactly . . . I understand principle, but this is one of those times when I think it's more important to oust the incumbent than wring your hands over not getting the perfect candidate.
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That is your belief, but I don't think the GOP will get enough of you to the polls to beat Obama. I could see 15-20% of the GOP ranks being uninspired by a Romney or Perry nomination and another 10-15% going 3rd party or just sitting it out. That is about a third of the GOP ranks total, IMO, that will either tune out completely or grind their teeth as they vote against Obama, rather than for Romney/Perry or whoever.

Obama's 2008 support will be hit as well, but I think he still will have enough gas in the tank to get a second term.
 
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GAVol said:
exactly . . . I understand principle, but this is one of those times when I think it's more important to oust the incumbent than wring your hands over not getting the perfect candidate.
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It's one of those times every election. Nobody really liked Bush but they were terrified of Gore and Kerry. It's hard to imagine they could've been worse than Bush. Honestly I'm not sure it will make a difference to have Romney in there over Obama.
 
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nbakerld said:
Honestly I'm not sure it will make a difference to have Romney in there over Obama.
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Of course it would. Elections have consequences if for no other reason than judicial appointments.
 
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GAVol said:
Of course it would. Elections have consequences if for no other reason than judicial appointments.
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We can look forward to more Harriett Miers type nominations, then, because Perry and Romney both strike me as equal to if not slightly to the left of GWB.
 
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Perry strikes me as the same. Romney really is a Northeast Republican and sitting almost dead in the center (left of the other two, if only slightly)

I really think had Gore become the president we would have been a lot worse off. His environmental desires alone would have crippled this economy. And he would have not aggressively taken the fight to the terrorists back yard either. I know the wars are not popular, but given the time and circumstances I am sorry I can't blame him for that decision at all. I believe with all my heart Iraq had WMD's. When you have 4 or 5 years of warning, with it really ramping up in the final 12 months or so. It doesn't take that long to move them out of an area the size of one of our states to a neighboring country.

I think Kerry would have ended up looking identical to Obama is now. He would not have been able to ram Kerrycare through as easily, but policy wise they would have been identical. The only if is, I really think he would have pulled the trigger on pulling out of the Middle East. And love it or hate it, that would have been a disaster at that time.

The Republican's biggest mistake in that time was they did dick all on the domestic front in a way to try to buy love from the Democrats and it back fired. I really wish they would take note on how the Democrats banded together in the period from 2007-2011 and how much they got done and actually grow some balls and do the same to try to undo some of this mess that has been hoisted on us.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
Perry strikes me as the same. Romney really is a Northeast Republican and sitting almost dead in the center (left of the other two, if only slightly)

I really think had Gore become the president we would have been a lot worse off. His environmental desires alone would have crippled this economy. And he would have not aggressively taken the fight to the terrorists back yard either. I know the wars are not popular, but given the time and circumstances I am sorry I can't blame him for that decision at all. I believe with all my heart Iraq had WMD's. When you have 4 or 5 years of warning, with it really ramping up in the final 12 months or so. It doesn't take that long to move them out of an area the size of one of our states to a neighboring country.

I think Kerry would have ended up looking identical to Obama is now. He would not have been able to ram Kerrycare through as easily, but policy wise they would have been identical. The only if is, I really think he would have pulled the trigger on pulling out of the Middle East. And love it or hate it, that would have been a disaster at that time.

The Republican's biggest mistake in that time was they did dick all on the domestic front in a way to try to buy love from the Democrats and it back fired. I really wish they would take note on how the Democrats banded together in the period from 2007-2011 and how much they got done and actually grow some balls and do the same to try to undo some of this mess that has been hoisted on us.
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Good thing his "home" state had him nailed.
 
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I actually live real close to Carthage, and frankly it amazes me the democrats around here still hold him in such high standards. They are decent good people, and frankly I wish it was their flavor of Democrats that were running the party... but Gore absolutely does not jive at all with how they believe and feel.
 
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