Rumors That Ken Mehlman May Be Out

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It's one of the slimier things I've ever heard of anyone doing. Sort of ironic that such a tolerant person would feel it was his duty to delve into someone else's personal life.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So a guy who can make a few good speeches is reason to give him the keys to the RNC?
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I never said that. I just said that I have a favorable impression of him based on the limited times that I've seen him. That's all.
 
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So there is a problem with pointing out that a party who finds it their business to delve in people's personal life and also decry homosexuals is led by one? I never knew pointing out hypocrisy was off limits.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So there is a problem with pointing out that a party who finds it their business to delve in people's personal life and also decry homosexuals is led by one? I never knew pointing out hypocrisy was off limits.
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It is hypocrisy for one like Maher who claims to be a civil libertarian to attack someone using there sexual orientation as the tool. It is clearly a personal choice how, when and if you reveal your sexual orientation. It is pure politics of personal destruction to out someone you don't agree with as a means to point out what you perceive to be flaws in their argument.

In short if you (Maher) are concerned about other delving into one's personal life, why would you do so yourself (Maher)? This is hypocrisy.
 
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volinbham said:
In short if you (Maher) are concerned about other delving into one's personal life, why would you do so yourself (Maher)? This is hypocrisy.
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I guess a libertarian pointing out hypocrisy of moralists should be taken off the table then. To all libertarians, you may no longer point out how puritanical types are hypocrites in their dictates of personal behavior when their leadership violates those mores.

I guess if those outing Foley and Haggard were libertarians, the actual fact of what occured is somehow diminished by their actions.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I guess a libertarian pointing out hypocrisy of moralists should be taken off the table then. To all libertarians, you may no longer point out how puritanical types are hypocrites in their dictates of personal behavior when their leadership violates those mores.

I guess if those outing Foley and Haggard were libertarians, the actual fact of what occured is somehow diminished by their actions.
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He can do whatever he wants - however, it is hypocritical to do so. Even worse is that he is being a hypocrite to point out hypocrisy.

What Foley did was wrong and possibly illegal. Being gay is neither of these things.
 
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volinbham said:
He can do whatever he wants - however, it is hypocritical to do so. Even worse is that he is being a hypocrite to point out hypocrisy.

What Foley did was wrong and possibly illegal. Being gay is neither of these things.
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Well according to a few on this board, what he did was legal due to age of consent.

I never said anything about legality. These people were outed for "deviant behavior" as defined by many of the moralists on the Right. The same classification of this deviant behavior was applied to those that lead the party. Even more, there is the 'outing' of the high ranking staffers of some of the most staunchly anti-gay members of Congress. Santorum linked homosexuality to bestiality but yet a high ranking staffer in his office is gay.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Well according to a few on this board, what he did was legal due to age of consent.

I never said anything about legality. These people were outed for "deviant behavior" as defined by many of the moralists on the Right. The same classification of this deviant behavior was applied to those that lead the party. Even more, there is the 'outing' of the high ranking staffers of some of the most staunchly anti-gay members of Congress. Santorum linked homosexuality to bestiality but yet a high ranking staffer in his office is gay.
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Not sure what this has to do with Bill Maher outing anyone.

He too claims a moral high ground and preaches it continually - that of tolerance and the idea that private lives should be kept private. He sets himself up as morally superior for his positions yet to out anyone, particularly as a ploy to gain political advantage is clearly contradictory to his own moral position.

It is especially ironic that he would intentionally violate his own moral position for political gain by attempting to show how others violated their moral position for political gain. What is worse, he is taking this to an individual level with an intent to harm specific individuals.

In other words, Bill Maher is a douche if he does it.
 
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It was a response to your post and some reasoning behind doing it. By default it has everything to do with Maher.

Call him a douche or whatever that is. Fact is he points out something very legitimate - those who preach such venom against gays should realize they are staffed with gays or could be gay themselves. Before preaching who should have what values, look in the mirror and examine your own.
 
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And I've never heard Maher preach a moral high ground. I've heard him apply others' standards to themselves but I've never seen him actually preach morality on anyone.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Fact is he points out something very legitimate - those who preach such venom against gays should realize they are staffed with gays or could be gay themselves. Before preaching who should have what values, look in the mirror and examine your own.
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Then I'm pointing out something very legitimate as well - BM should follow the advice in your last sentence.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Again is he preaching who should have what values or pointing out the hypocrisy of others?
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One of his core values is the concept of privacy and others staying out of your business. He condemns the government and the religious right for this all the time (rightly so in many cases). Yet the core value here is "my life is my business - stay out of it". He preaches it on a constant basis.

By outing someone, he makes their private lives his and everyone else's business. Further, he uses as aspect of someone's private life to cause damage to that person - all to show how superior he and his philosophy is. He is doing the exact same thing that he condemns only in his case, he is making it personal.

If he truly believes that someone's personal life is their property and it should not be judged, he should not use someone else's private life as a tool to harm them.
 
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until Mehlman confirms one way or the other, I don't see hypocrisy either on his part or Maher's. The issue I have with Maher engaging in rumor-mongering is that his plan to "out" other gay republicans sounds a lot like Larry Flynt's mission to expose GOP lawmakers' seedy sides. There was irony in a purveyor of smut using his money to dig up smut on others, and there's a definite irony here with Maher. Maher also suggested that John Roberts was gay.

It's becoming a game of gotcha politics. What can I say about you before you say the same thing about me?
 
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