S. Korean Navy Ship Sinking Near N. Korea Border

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KB5252 said:
Either China had North Korea carry out this mission for some reason and told North Korea to deny it........... or North Korea acted and then realized the backlash would bring consequences and then tried to deny it.

That's really the only way it makes any sense to me what so ever and even then I find it odd.
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Consequences and backlash from who?
 
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volfanjustin said:
Consequences and backlash from who?
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The international community. I'm not speaking of military strikes but North Korea and it's people do suffer from the sanctions and other measures imposed on them because of the countries actions over the years.
 
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KB5252 said:
The international community. I'm not speaking of military strikes but North Korea and it's people do suffer from the sanctions and other measures imposed on them because of the countries actions over the years.
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I just don't buy that sanctions have much of an effect on oppressive regimes. The regime needs to be taken out.
 
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I guess it could be that North Korea is indeed trying to pick a fight, but knows that if it acknolwdged that it just went out and sunk the ship and killed 40+ people in the process, then maybe support for its position even within its own country might be rather lukewarm.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I just don't buy that sanctions have much of an effect on oppressive regimes. The regime needs to be taken out.
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Taking him out will most likely lead to no real change. If he is taken out a high ranking military leader will most likely be successor, if that happens have you really accomplished anything?
 
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What the hell kind of people can that general be sending that message to? They have to assume the populace stupid as all hell to be making comments like "the invincible army" in an effort to garner support.
 
#32
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I guess when you only get your news from 1 source for so long you start to believe it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I guess it could be that North Korea is indeed trying to pick a fight, but knows that if it acknolwdged that it just went out and sunk the ship and killed 40+ people in the process, then maybe support for its position even within its own country might be rather lukewarm.
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sentiment in our intel circles has long been that any prolonged economic problems will force a "use it or lose it" situation with the NK military. The thing is too large and too expensive to sit idle as the nation founders. Several events over the past 20 years have forced us to ramp up and essentially initiate our contingency plans.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I guess it could be that North Korea is indeed trying to pick a fight, but knows that if it acknolwdged that it just went out and sunk the ship and killed 40+ people in the process, then maybe support for its position even within its own country might be rather lukewarm.
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You act as though there is some sort of Democratic process going on in North Korea.

You oppose Kim Jong Stupid, you die!
 
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volfanjustin said:
I just don't buy that sanctions have much of an effect on oppressive regimes. The regime needs to be taken out.
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Have we still not learned our lessons from history?? Taking this regime out will only lead to another faction taking over and one that might be much worse. I have no ideas on what faction that might be, but we have a history of taking out certain regimes and another one coming right in after. At the end of the day, you still have the same problems, just that the new one came with a huge price tag.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Have we still not learned our lessons from history?? Taking this regime out will only lead to another faction taking over and one that might be much worse. I have no ideas on what faction that might be, but we have a history of taking out certain regimes and another one coming right in after. At the end of the day, you still have the same problems, just that the new one came with a huge price tag.
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So you are ok with leaving this regime alone and letting them continue with developing nukes and confronting our allies?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
sentiment in our intel circles has long been that any prolonged economic problems will force a "use it or lose it" situation with the NK military. The thing is too large and too expensive to sit idle as the nation founders. Several events over the past 20 years have forced us to ramp up and essentially initiate our contingency plans.
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i see a political coup taking care of this problem for us. as you say they just can't afford it.
 
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volfanjustin said:
So you are ok with leaving this regime alone and letting them continue with developing nukes and confronting our allies?
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Sometimes the best action to take is one that is not as direct as that which you endorse. If it had been deemed the best way by men with much more knowledge and understanding of the matters involved it would most likely have been attempted already.
 
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KB5252 said:
Either China had North Korea carry out this mission for some reason and told North Korea to deny it........... or North Korea acted and then realized the backlash would bring consequences and then tried to deny it.

That's really the only way it makes any sense to me what so ever and even then I find it odd.
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Or the captain who fired the torpedo did so without orders, and North Korea doesn't want to appear weak by admitting that.
 
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DC Vol said:
It's interesting to watch the clutches of insanity play out with the postings of gsvol.
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:think_not:

:Bbiteme:

You cheap shot :censored:

That goes for the

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you rode in also. :finger3:

You don't even remember the original Pueblo incident do you???

If not then I'm sure you don't remember the USAF plane shot down over internaltional waters killing 13 American Airmen either.

When Clinton was president the N Koreans towed the Pueblo through international waters to place it in a N Korean port to make it a muceum dedicated to the victory over American imperialism.

If as commander in chief Bubba even had the balls of a gummy bear he would had ordered our warships in the area to sieze the Pueblo which is still the property of the USN under international law.

noooo, instead he apologized all over the world for American impeerialism.

What a sorry assed creep.

Furthermore if he hadn't sent Madeline Albright and Jimmy Carter over there with nuclear material and knowhow then N Korea wouldn't be threatening us with a nuclear strike.

Not even the Russians or Chinese were that damned stupid.

If indeed the grip of insanity might be my problem I had much rather that be so than to be an empty headed know nothing moron. :wacko:
 
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utvolpj said:
I guess when you only get your news from 1 source for so long you start to believe it.
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You aren't taking a cheap shot at ACLG are you??





IPorange said:
Or the captain who fired the torpedo did so without orders, and North Korea doesn't want to appear weak by admitting that.
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That is immaterial, the north Korean government is still responsible.

If we actually had a real president in our nations capitol he would respond forcibly instead of apologizing to China for the supposed persecution of muslims in America.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Reading the CNN report, it seems like there is plenty of evidence it was a torpedo, and a North Korean one. Satellite shows subs leaving North Korean port 2-3 days prior to the incident. Pieces of a torpedo have been found that match North Korean toperdo designs. North Korea denies it had anything to do with it.

You have to ask, why would they send a submarine out, knowing we can see it, and have it sink a ship like this, leaving all sorts of physical evidence behind, and then deny it.

It makes no sense.
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Unless you are trying to portray America as a paper tiger.








utvolpj said:
I kind of think it's a last gasp for a dying country.
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There's or ours, you don't think NK has allies??
 
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DC Vol said:
I don't think North Korea is the topic at all. It's the support of the Chinese Government and how compliant the Chinese people will be. They're a far more liberal "westernized" people than they were even 20 years ago.
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With a not so liberal tyrantical form of government.

Question, if China invaded Taiwan in the next ten minutes, what do you think our response would be??

What do you think it should be??

Do you think they would if they had assurances from Washington that we would do nothing??

I assume when you talk about sanity you define 'sanity' as; "having no interest in reality."

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This incident is, among other things, a stunning realization as to the ineptitude of the SKorean navy. One would infer that we equip them and train them, and this is how they perform in hostile/disputed waters? How does a modern destroyer get taken out by an old diesel sub operated by a country that has taken pot shots at anything that comes close to their waters or airspace? And when did sinking a ship stop being an act of war?
 
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