Saban Does His Thing

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Georgia fall camp has started and he's not there. More about that than anything else. I doubt mom's indignation and Maurice's panic is going to be enough to get him to Athens.
 
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Looks like Smith will be watching football from the stands this season. Looks like an impasse. Saban certainly doesn't have the track record of changing his mind on a decree. Wonder what the inside story is on Maurice Smith? Is he too good of a player to let plop somewhere else in the SEC - perhaps on a team that Bama would play in the SECCG? That's how I read it.
 
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ptcarter said:
Looks like Smith will be watching football from the stands this season. Looks like an impasse. Saban certainly doesn't have the track record of changing his mind on a decree. Wonder what the inside story is on Maurice Smith? Is he too good of a player to let plop somewhere else in the SEC - perhaps on a team that Bama would play in the SECCG? That's how I read it.
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He is a graduate transfer. He can go anywhere he likes and needs no approval. Just not in the SEC. Said he wanted to go to Miami, so go already. Saban would have put him on the plane.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
He is a graduate transfer. He can go anywhere he likes and needs no approval. Just not in the SEC. Said he wanted to go to Miami, so go already. Saban would have put him on the plane.
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from the article:

Alabama coach Nick Saban said he is blocking the transfer due to a policy prohibiting transferring within the conference. However, Saban did nothing to stop the transfer of former Alabama receiver Chris Black to Missouri earlier this year.
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circling back to hypocrisy.
 
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The article's wording in somewhat inaccurate. Saban can't block a transfer. But he's not going to grant Smith's release in conference (which is SEC policy), so Smith would have to sit out 2016 and finish up his final year in 2017. I'm not a fan of transfer restrictions like that; the schools have enough power over players as it is.

That said, something is weird with Smith. This isn't about playing time or injuries. There is logic in refusing to let a kid who knows your signals head off to join a coaching staff that is familiar with your system.

I hope the story about trashing his stuff isn't true. But the staff was 100% right to ban him from the facility, and they told him to clear out his locker and he refused. They should have boxed it up and told him to pick it up from the receptionist.
 
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LouderVol said:
changing your story much? I thought it was no SEC? Now its no following your coach around? makes him sound even pettier.
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Yes, because if you lose an assistant coach to Georgia and a few tenn starters want to go, butch will be happy to take your position and turn them loose. Kirby was busy blocking transfers to Miami, not the SEC, for the same reason. Perhaps Kirby didn't explain clearly enough to Maurice how his old boss would feel about such stuff?
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Yes, because if you lose an assistant coach to Georgia and a few tenn starters want to go, butch will be happy to take your position and turn them loose. Kirby was busy blocking transfers to Miami, not the SEC, for the same reason. Perhaps Kirby didn't explain clearly enough to Maurice how his old boss would feel about such stuff?
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does Butch have a non SEC policy? I would think he does. Has he broken this rule? not that I can remember. Saban also has that rule and gets to pick and choose when to break it. hence why we are talking about his hypocrisy. come back to me when Butch upholds a rule right after he breaks it.

you aren't going to convince us when you have to change your argument half way through.
 
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LouderVol said:
does Butch have a non SEC policy? I would think he does. Has he broken this rule? not that I can remember. Saban also has that rule and gets to pick and choose when to break it. hence why we are talking about his hypocrisy. come back to me when Butch upholds a rule right after he breaks it.

you aren't going to convince us when you have to change your argument half way through.
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My first comment spoke on Smith situation specifically. And no he isn't going to a SEC team. I'm also well aware of Black leaving for Missouri and the SEC bylaw about transferring as a graduate.

If it's the coaches discretion on this rule, it's going to be difficult for such a coach to "break" the rule, when he exercises it. And I already know what butch would do, hypocrisy and all. You, on the other hand, should work much more diligently on your reading comprehension issues.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
My first comment spoke on Smith situation specifically. And no he isn't going to a SEC team. I'm also well aware of Black leaving for Missouri and the SEC bylaw about transferring as a graduate.

If it's the coaches discretion on this rule, it's going to be difficult for such a coach to "break" the rule, when he exercises it. And I already know what butch would do, hypocrisy and all. You, on the other hand, should work much more diligently on your reading comprehension issues.
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There is all kinds of mental gymnastics you're doing. Why even have a "rule" if it doesn't have to be followed?

Just break out your line of "Saban wins and can do what he wants" instead of trying to defend something that makes absolutely no sense. This was a petty and hypocritical move by Saban.

No other way to spin it bro. It is what it is, just own it.
 
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rjd970 said:
There is all kinds of mental gymnastics you're doing. Why even have a "rule" if it doesn't have to be followed?

Just break out your line of "Saban wins and can do what he wants" instead of trying to defend something that makes absolutely no sense. This was a petty and hypocritical move by Saban.

No other way to spin it bro. It is what it is, just own it.
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I think the Bama guys have a pretty good point. Kid has the playbook in his head. A faxed playbook to Gainesville once contributed to a UF victory of UT back in the '80s. That part I get. Saban looking out for his intellectual property. Still doesn't make him less of a prick, but I get this.
 
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rjd970 said:
There is all kinds of mental gymnastics you're doing. Why even have a "rule" if it doesn't have to be followed?

Just break out your line of "Saban wins and can do what he wants" instead of trying to defend something that makes absolutely no sense. This was a petty and hypocritical move by Saban.

No other way to spin it bro. It is what it is, just own it.
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If the SEC bylaw didn't exist, every player who graduates early could be recruited again to another SEC program. Do you need more playing time? Are you happy where you are at? How's your breakfast? It's just not going to be that free for all and so they leave it at the coach's discretion. All coach's do what they want about SEC transfers. In this specific case, now pay attention, doing what the coaches want, IS THE RULE!
 
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I'm with Saban on this minus throwing the guy's stuff away.
 
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ptcarter said:
I think the Bama guys have a pretty good point. Kid has the playbook in his head. A faxed playbook to Gainesville once contributed to a UF victory of UT back in the '80s. That part I get. Saban looking out for his intellectual property. Still doesn't make him less of a prick, but I get this.
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yes, but I am pointing out is that isn't/wasn't their original argument, and it wasn't Saban's either.

I agree it would be stupid to allow kids to go to other conference schools, or someone on your schedule; but Saban did it once before and only now has an issue? Talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I have no problem with him protecting his "intellectual property" (Smart has it too) but at least be up front with it.
 
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just curious, can't Black "fax" the playbook just the same at Mizzou? I don't think Bama plays either Georgia or Missouri this year so what would it matter. and again Georgia already has the "playbook from Saban" from a better source than a player who saw the field twice.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
If the SEC bylaw didn't exist, every player who graduates early could be recruited again to another SEC program. Do you need more playing time? Are you happy where you are at? How's your breakfast? It's just not going to be that free for all and so they leave it at the coach's discretion. All coach's do what they want about SEC transfers. In this specific case, now pay attention, doing what the coaches want, IS THE RULE!
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I'm not saying he wasn't within his right to do what he did. Now pay attention....I'm saying he was a hypocritical douche about the way he handled it.

Just own it. My coach is an a**hat, but he wins so I don't care.
 
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LouderVol said:
I agree it would be stupid to allow kids to go to other conference schools, or someone on your schedule; but Saban did it once before and only now has an issue? Talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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You're right that Tusk's argument is a tad scattered here. And you may well have a point about Saban granting an exception to Black; if he grants an exception to one should he grant an exception to all?

But, the reasons for Black's transfer are very different than the reasons for Smith's. Maybe the reasons shouldn't matter, but they are different nonetheless.
 
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LouderVol said:
just curious, can't Black "fax" the playbook just the same at Mizzou? I don't think Bama plays either Georgia or Missouri this year so what would it matter. and again Georgia already has the "playbook from Saban" from a better source than a player who saw the field twice.
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Black left before the Spring, so he didn't have a playbook to divulge. Smith went all the way thru Spring practice before requesting a transfer.
 
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bamawriter said:
You're right that Tusk's argument is a tad scattered here. And you may well have a point about Saban granting an exception to Black; if he grants an exception to one should he grant an exception to all?

But, the reasons for Black's transfer are very different than the reasons for Smith's. Maybe the reasons shouldn't matter, but they are different nonetheless.
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And the latest info on Black's transfer to Missouri has him getting through the paperwork by accident during LSU/Bama week. Whether anyone thinks it's a great rule or further "ostracizes" the player's rights doesn't change the by-law.
 
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LouderVol said:
just curious, can't Black "fax" the playbook just the same at Mizzou? I don't think Bama plays either Georgia or Missouri this year so what would it matter. and again Georgia already has the "playbook from Saban" from a better source than a player who saw the field twice.
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Who has a better chance of playing Bama in the SECCG? There is your answer.
 
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