Sampson finally getting some HeisTman hype?

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Vol865 said:
Everyone is infatuated with Jeanty putting up big numbers against some high school teams
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People are noticing Jeanty is (to this point anyway) putting up numbers that are pretty outrageous against by anyone, ever, against any level of competition.

As to that last part between Oregon (the current #1 team in the country) and Washington State (the #26 team in the country and better than anyone we've played OOC) he racked up 451yds and 7tds at 8.8ypc.

Making the observation that Jeanty is playing at an all time production level thus far in no way, shape or form diminishes what Sampson has done. (He's a HUGE part of why we're only a one loss team right now) Why there's such a zero sum approach to such comparisons with some people is puzzling.
 
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Go look at the moron Pat Forde's mid season accolades. His anti-UT crusade continues. He doesn't even have Sampson as one of the top four RB's by performance in the country.
 
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hndog609 said:
People are noticing Jeanty is (to this point anyway) putting up numbers that are pretty outrageous against by anyone, ever, against any level of competition.

As to that last part between Oregon (the current #1 team in the country) and Washington State (the #26 team in the country and better than anyone we've played OOC) he racked up 451yds and 7tds at 8.8ypc.

Making the observation that Jeanty is playing at an all time production level thus far in no way, shape or form diminishes what Sampson has done. (He's a HUGE part of why we're only a one loss team right now) Why there's such a zero sum approach to such comparisons with some people is puzzling.
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They have to play tough games OOC because their conference schedule is terrible. Oregon is pretty good. Washington St is a paper tiger. They'd probably be like our 6th or 7th toughest game this year if we played.

Jeanty is a good RB. If you put him in the SEC, he'd still be a good RB. He'd have nowhere near the stats he does now though. Good size, good power, probably a 4.5-4.6 40 guy. Doesn't have any crazy lateral quickness or anything that I've noticed. Probably would have around a 1000-1200 yd season in the SEC in the right situation.
 
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Vol865 said:
They have to play tough games OOC because their conference schedule is terrible. Oregon is pretty good. Washington St is a paper tiger. They'd probably be like our 6th or 7th toughest game this year if we played.

Jeanty is a good RB. If you put him in the SEC, he'd still be a good RB. He'd have nowhere near the stats he does now though. Good size, good power, probably a 4.5-4.6 40 guy. Doesn't have any crazy lateral quickness or anything that I've noticed. Probably would have around a 1000-1200 yd season in the SEC in the right situation.
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I understand your argument but ask yourself this...shouldn't at least the top 10 rushers every year be entirely populated by RB's from these conferences? Shouldn't at least one G5 or whatever conference RB be pushing 200ypg and at least scaring 2K every season? If that's not happening (and it isn't) wouldn't that strongly suggest Jeanty is a bit more than just a good RB taking advantage of weak competition? It would appear the biggest variable in play is Jeanty being quite the outlier.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Majors wasn't robbed. Jim Brown was robbed. He deserved it the most that season. Just being honest. But we can both agree that Paul Hornung was nowhere near the best player in the country that year.
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You are correct, forgot about Brown, was just thinking along lines of Tennessee players.
 
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Redleg68 said:
You are correct, forgot about Brown, was just thinking along lines of Tennessee players.
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Yeah, considering the era he played in, Brown was an absolute unit! A specimen of a running back, listed at 6 '2", 232 lbs with speed! He was "Bo Jackson", before there was a Bo Jackson!
 
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hndog609 said:
I understand your argument but ask yourself this...shouldn't at least the top 10 rushers every year be entirely populated by RB's from these conferences? Shouldn't at least one G5 or whatever conference RB be pushing 200ypg and at least scaring 2K every season? If that's not happening (and it isn't) wouldn't that strongly suggest Jeanty is a bit more than just a good RB taking advantage of weak competition? It would appear the biggest variable in play is Jeanty being quite the outlier.
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I've acknowledged he's good. He's an SEC Caliber RB playing against weak competition outside of 1 game really. Some people are trying to pretend stats tell the whole story and say he's as good or better than Barry Sanders, which is ridiculous.
 
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Vol865 said:
I've acknowledged he's good. He's an SEC Caliber RB playing against weak competition outside of 1 game really. Some people are trying to pretend stats tell the whole story and say he's as good or better than Barry Sanders, which is ridiculous.
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Has anyone actually tried to say "as good or better than Barry Sanders"? I certainly haven't. I think the more accurate statement would be closer to "Jeanty is putting up numbers reminiscent of Sanders." which is, to this point in the season anyway, factual. It's also what is garnering so much attention. How long is the list of RB's, regardless of team/conference/whatever that has averaged over 200ypg? The answer to that question is the answer to why all the interest.
 
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200 rushing yards and 3 TDs vs UGA in the win against UGA would put him in the conversation
 
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hndog609 said:
Has anyone actually tried to say "as good or better than Barry Sanders"? I certainly haven't. I think the more accurate statement would be closer to "Jeanty is putting up numbers reminiscent of Sanders." which is, to this point in the season anyway, factual. It's also what is garnering so much attention. How long is the list of RB's, regardless of team/conference/whatever that has averaged over 200ypg? The answer to that question is the answer to why all the interest.
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I didn't say people here were saying it but people on more publicized platforms definitely have tried to make that argument. I'm not rooting against the guy. I have no reason to. But if you changed nothing but replacing Jeanty with Sampson, Quinshon Judkins, Jackson from Arkansas, etc. I have no doubt they could have similar numbers.
 
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Vol865 said:
I didn't say people here were saying it but people on more publicized platforms definitely have tried to make that argument. I'm not rooting against the guy. I have no reason to. But if you changed nothing but replacing Jeanty with Sampson, Quinshon Judkins, Jackson from Arkansas, etc. I have no doubt they could have similar numbers.
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I didn't necessarily mean here but in any case I can't get behind a "Jeanty is as good as Sanders." argument.* To the 2nd part we keep coming back to how there's a sort of "unhappening" to the numbers we're seeing from Jeanty. Why would anyone on that list just plug and play based on a team swap? Are you suggesting just sticking any of those players behind BSt's line and playing Oregon at their house would result in 192y and 3tds at 7.7ypc? I mean, maybe, but how much money would you be willing to put on that?

Look at it like two ends of a competition spectrum. To stand out at one end (G5/etc) you need to have really impressive numbers to move the needle. Jeanty is literally on an all time pace and if he ends up in the 2400yd/30td range there's no amount of competition shaming that can reach that high. 1500yds? Sure. At the other end a 1500yd season isn't as eye popping a raw number but if it's in the SEC that's a hell of a season. One may require a higher output for comparison than the other but if that output is actually achieved then it's a bit silly to try to waive it off. (not saying you're going hard on that line but some have)

*Wouldn't it be funny if, say, 10 years down the road that's still an actual valid comparison? I can't begin to bring myself to predict anything like that but how exactly does one call it "impossible"?
 
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How the holy F can the Boise State rb be leading the heisman race?

I’m sorry but if you aren’t in the SEC ACC or Big 10 you should even been in consideration.

Total joke.
 
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36 touches and only 139 total yards? And he’s the Heisman front runner. Sampson calls that halftime. With 20 less touches.

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