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05_never_again said:
TV markets. Teams don't get to enter conferences, especially in the modern age, because the conference thinks that team will eventually be really good in their conference. That is, at best, a secondary consideration.
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Texas markets are valuable, I'll give you that but Aggies are not the major team in those markets. Not sure Mizzou moves the needle much in St Louis and KC. TV markets in Ark and Sc are small markets with no significant value.
 
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wmcovol said:
Texas markets are valuable, I'll give you that but Aggies are not the major team in those markets. Not sure Mizzou moves the needle much in St Louis and KC. TV markets in Ark and Sc are small markets with no significant value.
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I'm really not sure how much Mizzou added in KC. When I have been there, seems like most preferred Kansas.

The Arkansas expansion I could kind of see. Basically you get the whole state.

Wasn't SC kind of an "emergency" choice after FSU bailed though? SEC needed 12 so could have the championship game and the Lamecocks were just at the right place and time. Stupid really to choose them when they split the state with Clemson. SC has added nothing in 30 years. Time to seriously look at relegation.
 
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wmcovol said:
Texas markets are valuable, I'll give you that but Aggies are not the major team in those markets. Not sure Mizzou moves the needle much in St Louis and KC. TV markets in Ark and Sc are small markets with no significant value.
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Doesn't really matter if the Aggies aren't the major team in those markets, or if Mizzou isn't a huge needle mover in STL or KC. It still got SECN, via how cable/streaming bundling works, into millions more households than it was before. That is the name of the game in modern-day conference realignment.

The Arkansas expansion was a bigger deal than you think. As stoli stated, you got a whole state. The South Carolina one I agree wasn't as much, but they needed to add a 12th team since they wanted to do divisions and add a conference title game. All of that happened at the same time.
 
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VAVol85 said:
I wonder if anyone has done a post mortem on that decision. I just can’t believe Missouri brings that much TV revenue from those markets.
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Maybe not but otherwise I don't know why the SEC added them unless it was just to get an even number of schools.
 
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Sark is fortunate KSU QB is trash, is slow, and oredictable tries to roll right every play.
 
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So of the 4 Expansion teams, here are my thoughts:

1. Arkansas - Good pickup. They have been great in Basketball, Baseball, etc. A little bit of a letdown in Football but competitive enough at times with Houston Nutt and Bobby Petrino. Still, they are a mediocre Football Program

2. South Carolina: Come one guys, they add something. Women's Basketball? We should trade them for Clemson. Clemson can at least win titles. South Carolina belongs better in ACC anyways.

3. Texas A&M: Good add due to Texas market and large fanbase but man did they bring their epic failing from the Big12 to the SEC. Hard to say they are constantly not living up to expectations in the SEC when they were pretty much doing that in the Big12 as well so SEC knew what they were getting, a paycheck

4. Missouri: They have had 3-4 good years (mostly with Pinkel) but were basically a UK/South Carolina add. The frustration point that I have with Missouri is that I thought they could help more with Men's Basketball but they have been a big letdown on the hardwood.

Oklahoma and Texas are legit adds though. They will hold-up in the SEC long-term and win SEC Championships.
 
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wmcovol said:
We lost Auburn-Tennessee and Florida-Auburn among others when the SEC went to divisions with the expansion of Ark and SC. I stated some losses occurred with the initial expansion.

Its pretty common knowledge for most prudent people that, unless a miracle happens and ABC/ESPN agrees to pay more money for something they already own, (it has been disclosed this week CBS refused to pay more for the SEC package with the addition of A&M and mizzou) the SEC will stay at 8 games. If that goes to 1-7 like most believe after 2024, Alabama-LSU, Alabama-Tennessee, Auburn-Ga, Florida-LSU will go away. This week both Saban and Kelly addressed that this game may not occur every year after next year. Saban said the same thing week of the Tennessee-Alabama game.

I just believe the SEC expansion up until Texas and OU appears to have done more the the schools brought in than it has for the original league members. We'll see what occurs with these two coming in.
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There is no reason for them to go away even in a division-less 8 game season.

the SEC's run of dominance didn't start until after SC & Ark joined. It hasn't stopped in the 10 years since Mizzou & A&M. we make the second most money, and we are able to share that to each school. It also has secured us some fertile recruiting grounds in Texas and around St. Louis. South Carolina gets us a better foothold into the Carolinas as well.

and depending on how you want to look at it, expanding has kept us secure. The Big 10 has no problem growing all over the place. so there was a conceivable future where the Big 10 just continued to snipe away the top teams from conferences and the SEC would clearly be the second best. and without the larger TV deals each SEC school would have less to spend, and we could have ended up like the ACC, without enough money to keep our top schools. as long as viewership was increasing, and dollars with it, teams were going to change conferences, doesn't matter if we didn't start with Arkansas and South Carolina. you can look at both as examples. South Carolina was independent after leaving the ACC before they joined the SEC. Arkansas had a pretty old rivalry with Ole Miss. After WW2 and before they joined the SEC 45 years they had played Ole Miss 24 times, and played other SEC schools 21 times. pretty much 1 a year, most of the other schools were during bowl games, but they played LSU, Vandy, and GT multiple times during the regular season during that time.

you may not like it but expansion was the best of a worst case scenario.
 
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