#SayHisName Trends After Media Refuse To Report On Alleged Murder Of 5-Year-Old Cannon Hinnant

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Mick said:
Are the authorities calling it a hate crime yet or is it just our resident race baiters? Some of you are no better than Al Sharpton.
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So, you're saying it is not a hate crime. Except that the law only allows hate crimes to be committed by white folks, right? Tell me how a defenseless young white kid was a threat to an adult black male. This is the very definition of a hate crime. It is far worse than a cop shooting.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As explained by others here -- and is truly freakin' obvious -- a murder by one civilian of another is not the same as police killing of a suspect. Just not even remotely invoking the same societal issues.

By your standard, the media should not report the death of George Floyd unless they also give equal coverage to every one of the 50 other murders in the country each day. Its just such a ridiculous standard and comparison that it is painful to have to explain this to anyone.
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No, just the hate crime killing of an innocent child.
 
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C-south said:
Zimmerman was doing neighborhood watch and was following Martin. Martin confronted Zimmerman and assaulted Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.
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I'm aware of the neighborhood watch part. But it was my understanding that Zimmerman confronted Martin. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of citizens starting fights then ending them with guns. I'm not sure what is neighborhood watch status amounts to legally though either. I'll have to read some more about it
 
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lukeneyland said:
I actually disagree a little on Zimmerman. The calls for his head were justified. If some man confronted me in the middle of the night I might react with a punch to. I don't like the idea of someone initiating a confrontation with someone not breaking the law and then settling it with a gun. Of course the media categorized him as white when he was really a Mexican or Cuban. My problem was that it was made into a white versus black thing even white people weren't actually involved. Zimmerman should have been hung though
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Zimmerman/Martin or Martin/Zimmerman was brought up because that case did not involve "a state actor sworn to protect" but were both private citizens.

Response was to this post:

evillawyer said:
(1) state actor vs. private citizen; (2) state actor who has specifically sworn to serve and protect the public vs. private citizen with no such obligation.

Do you want it in crayon?
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Here's a good link if you want to read up on the Martin case time line,it includes additional links:
https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-fast-facts/index.html
 
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37L1 said:
Zimmerman/Martin or Martin/Zimmerman was brought up because that case did not involve "a state actor sworn to protect" but were both private citizens.

Response was to this post:
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Oh I see I sometimes mix the responses up on this thing
 
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ajvol01 said:
Are you seriously going with the cold blooded execution of a 5 year old isn’t newsworthy?
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Locally, sure. Maybe even regionally.

Nationally? Not in particular, relative to the other 50 murders.

Now, on top of that, your question is disingenuous, at a minimum. That's because it is not the lack of coverage you CLAIM to be bothered by; rather, it is the failure to report on it nationally when there was such wide coverage of the Floyd incident.

While I agree both incidents are senseless losses of life, and one is for sure criminal (the young boy killed) and the other may well be, the effort to portray them as identical in terms of the policy issues raised is just really pretty transparently an excuse to oversimplify the issue.
 
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GVF said:
So, you're saying it is not a hate crime. Except that the law only allows hate crimes to be committed by white folks, right? Tell me how a defenseless young white kid was a threat to an adult black male. This is the very definition of a hate crime. It is far worse than a cop shooting.
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For it to be a hate crime, they'd have to prove the murder was motivated by prejudice/racism. I don't think that's been proven or demonstrated yet.

Besides, I thought conservatives weren't big on getting things labeled as "hate crimes" anyway, because violence is violence regardless of the reason behind it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Locally, sure. Maybe even regionally.

Nationally? Not in particular, relative to the other 50 murders.

Now, on top of that, your question is disingenuous, at a minimum. That's because it is not the lack of coverage you CLAIM to be bothered by; rather, it is the failure to report on it nationally when there was such wide coverage of the Floyd incident.

While I agree both incidents are senseless losses of life, and one is for sure criminal (the young boy killed) and the other may well be, the effort to portray them as identical in terms of the policy issues raised is just really pretty transparently an excuse to oversimplify the issue.
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Why is this story only newsworthy locally but Trayvon Martin was nationally newsworthy from the day he was killed until Zimmerman was found not guilty? I'm assuming you thought Travyon Martin was nationally newsworthy - correct me if wrong.

For consistency purposes, given the content of the stories, it seems like they either are both locally newsworthy, or both nationally newsworthy. I'm not sure on what reasonable basis you could argue one is local and one is national. In the story that went national, at least Zimmerman had somewhat of a plausible defense in that he said Martin charged him; the 5-year-old was shot a killed seemingly in cold blood while riding his bicycle, but that story is staying local for now.

I think that both this story and Trayvon Martin are most appropriately covered as local stories, but that's just me. What ultimately determines whether or not a story achieves escape velocity is ability to attract eyeballs, and the insertion of a racial narrative (which the Trayvon Martin story more easily allowed for, but this one does not) helps with that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Locally, sure. Maybe even regionally.

Nationally? Not in particular, relative to the other 50 murders.

Now, on top of that, your question is disingenuous, at a minimum. That's because it is not the lack of coverage you CLAIM to be bothered by; rather, it is the failure to report on it nationally when there was such wide coverage of the Floyd incident.

While I agree both incidents are senseless losses of life, and one is for sure criminal (the young boy killed) and the other may well be, the effort to portray them as identical in terms of the policy issues raised is just really pretty transparently an excuse to oversimplify the issue.
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Horse manure
LMGTFY

DuckDuckGo results show the contrast
https://lmgtfy.com/?qtype=search&q=8+year+old+atlanta+girl
 
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05_never_again said:
For it to be a hate crime, they'd have to prove the murder was motivated by prejudice/racism. I don't think that's been proven or demonstrated yet.

Besides, I thought conservatives weren't big on getting things labeled as "hate crimes" anyway, because violence is violence regardless of the reason behind it.
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Your avatar has never failed to give me PTSD
 
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05_never_again said:
Why is this story only newsworthy locally but Trayvon Martin was nationally newsworthy from the day he was killed until Zimmerman was found not guilty? I'm assuming you thought Travyon Martin was nationally newsworthy - correct me if wrong.

For consistency purposes, given the content of the stories, it seems like they either are both locally newsworthy, or both nationally newsworthy. I'm not sure on what reasonable basis you could argue one is local and one is national. In the story that went national, at least Zimmerman had somewhat of a plausible defense in that he said Martin charged him; the 5-year-old was shot a killed seemingly in cold blood while riding his bicycle, but that story is staying local for now.

I think that both this story and Trayvon Martin are most appropriately covered as local stories, but that's just me. What ultimately determines whether or not a story achieves escape velocity is ability to attract eyeballs, and the insertion of a racial narrative (which the Trayvon Martin story more easily allowed for, but this one does not) helps with that.
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Ok, you are changing the subject.

I personally did not think the killing of Trayvon Martin was newsworthy at a national level.

Now, having said that (and you will like this) I DID think that it was nationally newsworthy how the media falsely portrayed Martin as appearing to be so non-threatening. I said here more than a few times that the intentional selection of photos showing him in a benign setting and appearing far less menacing that he would have on the night in question was wrong by the media and very misleading.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok, you are changing the subject.

I personally did not think the killing of Trayvon Martin was newsworthy at a national level.

Now, having said that (and you will like this) I DID think that it was nationally newsworthy how the media falsely portrayed Martin as appearing to be so non-threatening. I said here more than a few times that the intentional selection of photos showing him in a benign setting and appearing far less menacing that he would have on the night in question was wrong by the media and very misleading.
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I'm shocked to see you not in the Martin camp. Unless I have the facts completely wrong George initiated the conflict when he confronted Martin without any true authority to do so. Was Martin in the act of commiting a crime or leaving the scene of one. I may simply be misremembering
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok, you are changing the subject.

I personally did not think the killing of Trayvon Martin was newsworthy at a national level.

Now, having said that (and you will like this) I DID think that it was nationally newsworthy how the media falsely portrayed Martin as appearing to be so non-threatening. I said here more than a few times that the intentional selection of photos showing him in a benign setting and appearing far less menacing that he would have on the night in question was wrong by the media and very misleading.
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That's why I said right off the top "correct me if wrong" if you thought the Trayvon Martin story should have been national. You and I are in agreement on this point then.

I went down that path because a few others here seem to be drawing interesting distinctions between this story and similar stories to justify why some stories are national, while this one is overblown and should be a local story. For example @evillawyer has drawn a distinction that George Floyd was killed by a state actor (cop), therefore that's why his story should be nationally newsworthy. There's no state actor involved here (and there wasn't in Trayvon Martin either), but then again this is a deal of an adult killing a 5-year-old who couldn't have conceivably posed any threat to him, which creates a certain newsworthiness of its own even though a police officer wasn't involved. Both should be local stories, just like Tony Timpa was a local story.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's why I said right off the top "correct me if wrong" if you thought the Trayvon Martin story should have been national. You and I are in agreement on this point then.

I went down that path because a few others here seem to be drawing interesting distinctions between this story and similar stories to justify why some stories are national, while this one is overblown and should be a local story. For example @evillawyer has drawn a distinction that George Floyd was killed by a state actor (cop), therefore that's why his story should be nationally newsworthy. There's no state actor involved here (and there wasn't in Trayvon Martin either), but then again this is a deal of an adult killing a 5-year-old who couldn't have conceivably posed any threat to him, which creates a certain newsworthiness of its own even though a police officer wasn't involved. Both should be local stories, just like Tony Timpa was a local story.
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In this case, the 8 year old girl killed in Atlanta on 4th of July is a better comparison.

The national media jumped all over that one

8 year old atlanta girl at DuckDuckGo
 
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lukeneyland said:
I'm shocked to see you not in the Martin camp. Unless I have the facts completely wrong George initiated the conflict when he confronted Martin without any true authority to do so. Was Martin in the act of commiting a crime or leaving the scene of one. I may simply be misremembering
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No, no. I'm saying that in my view the most nationally newsworthy aspect of the Martin story was how the media attempted to manipulate people by intentionally showing photos of Martin that were designed to make him appear non-threatening.

I was really put off by that.

05_never_again said:
That's why I said right off the top "correct me if wrong" if you thought the Trayvon Martin story should have been national. You and I are in agreement on this point then.

I went down that path because a few others here seem to be drawing interesting distinctions between this story and similar stories to justify why some stories are national, while this one is overblown and should be a local story.
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In fairness, our opinions on this are offered in retrospect. Zimmerman was not a cop. He gave a justification for his actions which a jury ultimately accepted, or at least thought was reasonable enough to acquit him. I just think all in all, looking back on it, it was not particularly societally important relative to other murders.

Floyd was.

Martin really was not.

This shooting of the child, while horrible and a crime and certainly of note locally, just in my view is not much different from any other senseless murder that happens literally dozens of times a day in this country. I preceive the claim that this deserves as much attention as the Floyd incident as subterfuge for a darker agenda by those who want to talk about it so much.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In fairness, our opinions on this are offered in retrospect. Zimmerman was not a cop. He gave a justification for his actions which a jury ultimately accepted, or at least thought was reasonable enough to acquit him. I just think all in all, looking back on it, it was not particularly societally important relative to other murders.

Floyd was.

Martin really was not.

This shooting of the child, while horrible and a crime and certainly of note locally, just in my view is not much different from any other senseless murder that happens literally dozens of times a day in this country. I preceive the claim that this deserves as much attention as the Floyd incident as subterfuge for a darker agenda by those who want to talk about it so much.
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Would you agree or disagree that the ability of the media to insert a racial narrative (regardless of whether or not there actually is one) is what allows these kinds of stories to achieve escape velocity from local news? What is your criteria for deeming what is societally important and what isn't?

For example, you don't think Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman was societally important enough relative to other murders. It achieved escape velocity. George Floyd, which you do think was societally important relative to other murders, also achieved escape velocity. The Tony Timpa incident in Dallas is similar, in an incredibly uncanny and coincidental way, to George Floyd. It did not achieve escape velocity. I suppose you could debate as to why, but I can't help but notice that story is different in one key aspect - Timpa was white. The other circumstances are nearly identical, even down to the suspect being pinned under the weight of a cop's knee and yelling "You're gonna kill me!" If Timpa happened to be black, I can't help but think that story would have been international news for weeks on end and probably would have sparked George Floyd-like protests.

It's incredibly easy to craft a police brutality narrative into both the Floyd and Timpa stories, but only the Floyd story went national. We don't even know, and may never know, if George Floyd was handled by the police in the fashion he was because he was black. At this point, all we know is that he happened to be black, and was killed by a white cop. That is why it became a national story. It seems possible Floyd's death wasn't the result of any added racial animus, just like Timpa's death wasn't the result of any added racial animus. After all, the main cop in question (Chauvin) was involved in numerous use-of-force incidents that didn't involve black people. If anything, the Timpa incident could actually go against the narrative on the left, because the Timpa story would seem to indicate that these sorts of things happen to white people too, which conflicts with the narrative of white cops are out hunting down and killing black people because they are racist.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Yep. One of our enemies will come calling and we will be caught with our pants down if things don't change soon.
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I think they sit back and watch us impload.

Lack of reasons to unite is one of our main issues. We have had it so easy for so long and have been spoiled with lack of native soil wars that we just bitch about the dumbest things now.
 
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evillawyer said:
Do you guys really see no difference between a state actor, sworn to protect and serve the public, intentionally killing a member of the public and some rando walking up to a kid and killing him.

You also got to realize, for better or worse, video footage of the incident, which apparently doesn't exist here, makes it more likely to be played up in the news.
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They don't. They see white and black and they immediately think this is political and also that an insane individual needs to get as much political attention as the police.
 
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NEOCON said:
I think they sit back and watch us impload.

Lack of reasons to unite is one of our main issues. We have had it so easy for so long and have been spoiled with lack of native soil wars that we just bitch about the dumbest things now.
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What you're saying though is the reason for my comment. Im in my twenties just to give a timeline, but I expect a war to be fought on American soil at some point in my lifetime.
 
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