Scary, Fundamentalist church unveils Statue of Liberty.....,

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Lady Liberty Trades In Some Trappings

By SHAILA DEWAN
Published: July 5, 2006

MEMPHIS, July 4 — On Independence Day, Lady Liberty was born again.

At a megachurch in Memphis, the Statue of Liberation Through Christ was consecrated Tuesday. The statue, says the church's pastor, is a way of "letting people know that God is the foundation of our nation."
Rollin Riggs for The New York Times

Grifflon Randle, a member of the World Overcomers congregation.

As the congregation of the World Overcomers Outreach Ministries Church looked on and its pastor, Apostle Alton R. Williams, presided, a brown shroud much like a burqa was pulled away to reveal a giant statue of the Lady, but with the Ten Commandments under one arm and "Jehovah" inscribed on her crown.

And in place of a torch, she held aloft a large gold cross, as if to ward off the pawnshops, the car dealerships and the discount furniture outlets at the busy corner of Kirby Parkway and Winchester that is her home. A single tear graced her cheek.

It was not clear if she was crying because of her new home, her new identity as a symbol of religion or, as the pastor said, America's increasing godlessness. But although big cheers went up from the few hundred onlookers at the unveiling, and some people even wore foam Lady Liberty crowns bearing Christian slogans, she was not universally welcomed.

Most of the customers at the Dixie Queen food counter near the church viewed the statue as a cheap attention grab, said Guardia Nelson, 27, who works there.

"It's a big issue," Ms. Nelson said. "Liberty's supposed to have a fire, not a cross."

Elena Martinez, a loan officer visiting Memphis from Houston, said her family was speechless at the sight.

"The Statue of Liberty has a different meaning for the country," Ms. Martinez said. "It doesn't need to be used in a religious sense."

At the pizza place next door, Amanda Houston pronounced the combination of the Statue of Liberty and Christianity "ridiculous," though her co-worker Landon Condit was far less critical: "I can't see anything wrong with it. This is the Bible Belt."

The Statue of Liberation Through Christ, as she is called, stands 72 feet tall from the base of her pedestal to the tip of her cross. She was the idea of Mr. Williams, a very successful pastor whose church, World Overcomers, qualifies as mega: it has a school, a bowling alley, a roller rink, a bookstore and, he said, 12,000 members.

The pastor is not shy. His church has bought full-page advertisements in The Commercial Appeal, the Memphis daily, condemning homosexuality. At the World Overcomers' previous location, neighbors complained that trees were felled unnecessarily; Mr. Williams said it had to be done so that people could see the church from the road.

The statue, inspired by a Memphis church that has three giant crosses, strikes him as "a creative means of just really letting people know that God is the foundation of our nation," he said.

Mr. Williams has written several books and pamphlets analyzing a variety of matters, among them patriotism and the original intent of the founding fathers.

In "The Meaning of the Statue of Liberation Through Christ: Reconnecting Patriotism With Christianity," he explains that the teardrop on his Lady is God's response to what he calls the nation's ills, including legalized abortion, a lack of prayer in schools and the country's "promotion of expressions of New Age, Wicca, secularism and humanism." In another book, he said Hurricane Katrina was retribution for New Orleans's embrace of sin.

Mr. Williams said his statue's essential point was that Christianity should be the guiding ethos of the nation. But because the church he leads is predominantly black, as is he, there is an added dimension to the message.

In "From Slavery to Lady Liberty: Lady Liberty's African Connection: The Key to Black America's Liberation," he pointed out that the real Statue of Liberty wears a broken shackle around one ankle, and revisited evidence that the statue, a gift from France, was originally intended not to welcome immigrants but to celebrate the emancipation of slaves.

"Many blacks are not patriotic, and they are not patriotic because of the history of our nation," Mr. Williams said in an interview at the church, in the richly appointed sitting room he uses to receive visitors. "It's good for our people to know that the nation has something for them as well."

To critics who say there are better ways to spend $260,000, Mr. Williams responds that his church gives millions to the needy and says he views the statue as outreach: "I personally feel that the answer for the poor is Jesus Christ."

To celebrate the Fourth of July, a good crowd gathered on the church grounds for free hamburgers and grape soda, carnival rides, a barbecue cook-off and entertainment. Children ate sno-cones, and a small army of volunteers and members of the staff darted around on bicycles and golf carts, dressed in white polo shirts. But the main event was the unveiling, preceded by speeches, prayers and consecrations.

"I decree the spirit of conviction on this intersection," Mr. Williams boomed from a podium decorated with red, white and blue bunting. "This statue proves that Jesus Christ is Lord over America, he is Lord over Tennessee, he is Lord over Memphis."

On one hand it is real, real, real funny and on the other hand it seem like a total waster of money and time.

This seems so wrong on so many levels.

It's insulting to the millions of non-Christian Americans, as the not-so-subtle subtext of this statue is that true patriots are Christian.

It's insulting to Christians of other nations, as it is proclaiming Christ's special relationship with the United States and its citizens.

Oh, and I love this quote:

This statue proves that Jesus Christ is Lord over America, he is Lord over Tennessee, he is Lord over Memphis.

The United States, was, is, and always will be based on economics...It's all about the benjamins...
The Statue of Liberty with a wad of bills or a credit card would be much more accurate...

*On a side note, conspiracy time, I believe the NYT is using this to portray middle america as mindless hicks!
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Very interesting....I think the not so subtle context has nothing to do with nationalism and the idea that true freedom and liberty is a spiritual idea not granted by government, but by a Higher Power. This higher power just happens to be Christ.

I think Thomas Jefferson said it much more efficiently in the Declaration.
 
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Very interesting....I think the not so subtle context has nothing to do with nationalism and the idea that true freedom and liberty is a spiritual idea not granted by government, but by a Higher Power. This higher power just happens to be Christ.

That is not a PC answer!

the idea that true freedom and liberty is a spiritual idea not granted by government, but by a Higher Power. This higher power just happens to be Christ.

Agreed, is the NYT the "higher power" ? :angel: :banghead:

Most of the customers at the Dixie Queen food counter near the church viewed the statue as a cheap attention grab, said Guardia Nelson, 27, who works there.

They hate us, cause they ain't us! hehehehehehehehehe
 
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The Church in general has done a poor job communicating basic tenets of christian theology, and this is another good example.

The evangelicals truly want a theocracy, a government that makes and enforces religious tenants. They believe that this will eventually lead to God pouring His blessing upon our nation (Old Testament idea), while the more liberal christian churches really buy into socialist ideas, and believe that if we all have the same creature comforts that humans would basically behave well, and be liberated from all bonds of social repression (New Testament idea).

Through my studies and experience I have found both to be convaluted versions of truth.

 
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To my mind, a pretty audacious example of how megachurches' megadollars can be wasted on unproductive messages.

You've got all that money. Use it to help, not provoke.
 
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To my mind, a pretty audacious example of how megachurches' megadollars can be wasted on unproductive messages.

You've got all that money. Use it to help, not provoke.

That describes the majority of churches since the 50's.

The church has polarized itself........... :dunno:
 
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(OrangeEmpire @ Jul 10 said:
That describes the majority of churches since the 50's.

The church has polarized itself........... :dunno:

No...ever since the protestant reformation, protestant churches have continued to move away from traditions, teachings, and values that stood for 1500 years.
 
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Sorry................ :shakehead:

I was referring to the church up to the 50's in America refusing to change methods from a legalistic base when the culture started to shift.

 
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This statue proves that Jesus Christ is Lord over America, he is Lord over Tennessee, he is Lord over Memphis.
What kind of sane or just God would willingly take dominion over Memphis?
 
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(milohimself @ Jul 10 said:
What kind of sane or just God would willingly take dominion over Memphis?

Ribs at Rendezvous, All-American, or Interstate; A Fall evening on Beale.;
The amazing things happening inside St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

Aside from these few heavenly things Memphians can claim, I'm with you Milo.

No offense Yoda (MemphisVol)... :hi:
 
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(orange+white=heaven @ Jul 10 said:
To my mind, a pretty audacious example of how megachurches' megadollars can be wasted on unproductive messages.
Yep. Of course, imho, things like this are all about making a name for the pastor. If other area churches support him, look to see if he dosen't throw his hat in the political ring in the next few years.
 
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I have to see this eyesore twice a day on my way to and from work.

....my disdain and spite for the local leadership grows.
 
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I remember when people were proud of the separation of church and state. It's amazing some people don't see the danger of a theocracy.
 
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(Orange-Neck @ Jul 12 said:
I remember when people were proud of the separation of church and state. It's amazing some people don't see the danger of a theocracy.

Huge difference between having a secular state that allows religious worship in public and having a theocracy.
 
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You should invest some money in some books concerning the history of government in America. If that slope is slippery, then the slipping has occured in the opposite direction since the 1780s.
 
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Depends on whose version of history you read. Not saying either is right... But I've read decent arguments both ways.

My view on religious practice in public is guided by the principle I try to have guide all my political views... Treat all people the same. If public religious practice is cool, then have it be cool for all people. If Christians can do their thing in public, then so can Jews, Muslims, athiests, Scientologists, Blaintologists... Whatever.
 
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(milohimself @ Jul 12 said:
Depends on whose version of history you read. Not saying either is right... But I've read decent arguments both ways.

My view on religious practice in public is guided by the principle I try to have guide all my political views... Treat all people the same. If public religious practice is cool, then have it be cool for all people. If Christians can do their thing in public, then so can Jews, Muslims, athiests, Scientologists, Blaintologists... Whatever.

I have yet to see any legislation against Hare Krishnas doing their thing in public...
 

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