Schofield and Phillips awarded 4th star

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#3
Now we just need to hold on to them...

I think we keep both...

Are they both here this weekend?

If they are...we need to have them and Peter White hanging out...talking about how dominant they will be and how they will be part of the class that turned it around
 
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It helps in the recruiting rankings and if you don't think recruits check the rankings, you don't know anything about modern day recruiting. Sure they are the same player regardless of where they are ranked. But unlike in times past, the rankings mean something nowadays. I love all you who just feel compelled to point out what we all already know.
 
#9
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Good players want to play with other good players.....so yes that 4th star means more than most of you are willing to admit

recruits check rivals too
 
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Hens67 said:
makes the recruiting junkies feel better
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It also creates a perception of success and that the better players want to be at UT. It isn't all important but it is more important than some tend to think.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I don't care if we get 20 1* players if they can play, be coached, win big games, and stay out of trouble.
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As much as i'd like to agree we would never be relevant in the SEC.I know some people put a lot of emphasis on stars and some don't but a 4 or 5* player has a greater chance of being a stud than a 1 or 2*. Rankings and stars aren't always correct but hopefully we've got the coaches to evaluate the good from the sub par. Fulmer and staff seemed to lack that and were very poor at developing the talent we did get. I was a little upset when Kiffin told Boyd (who is a stud recruit) thanks but you really wouldn't fit here but it's obvious Kiffin's got a plan and he's sticking to it. That's impressive to me. Most coaches would have signed him just to have him.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
As much as i'd like to agree we would never be relevant in the SEC.I know some people put a lot of emphasis on stars and some don't but a 4 or 5* player has a greater chance of being a stud than a 1 or 2*. Rankings and stars aren't always correct but hopefully we've got the coaches to evaluate the good from the sub par. Fulmer and staff seemed to lack that and were very poor at developing the talent we did get. I was a little upset when Kiffin told Boyd (who is a stud recruit) thanks but you really wouldn't fit here but it's obvious Kiffin's got a plan and he's sticking to it. That's impressive to me. Most coaches would have signed him just to have him.
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Any player that steps out on the field has the equal opportunity to become a star as anyone else. If the desire is there, then hard work will follow. I don't even look at stars anymore. I just see players.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
count me in the some.
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It's perception vs. reality BPV...

Does that 1 star make any difference whether or not these two guys will be effective on the field at UT (if they stick to their commitment)...of course not...

Does it give the appearance that we are headed in the right direction...does it possibly attract other highly talented players...does it show that UT is still capable of drawing highly rated prospects...I think the answer is yes...

All of these things enhance the perception that UT is still at or near the elite programs in college football...and...IMO...that is one of the first steps of actually getting back there
 
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blamie said:
It's perception vs. reality BPV...

Does that 1 star make any difference whether or not these two guys will be effective on the field at UT (if they stick to their commitment)...of course not...

Does it give the appearance that we are headed in the right direction...does it possibly attract other highly talented players...does it show that UT is still capable of drawing highly rated prospects...I think the answer is yes...

All of these things enhance the perception that UT is still at or near the elite programs in college football...and...IMO...that is one of the first steps of actually getting back there
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well put
 
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blamie said:
It's perception vs. reality BPV...

Does that 1 star make any difference whether or not these two guys will be effective on the field at UT (if they stick to their commitment)...of course not...

Does it give the appearance that we are headed in the right direction...does it possibly attract other highly talented players...does it show that UT is still capable of drawing highly rated prospects...I think the answer is yes...

All of these things enhance the perception that UT is still at or near the elite programs in college football...and...IMO...that is one of the first steps of actually getting back there
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I know a lot of folks want to think that recruiting is tied to these lame services, but it's still about the coaches, tradition, facilities, personalities from both sides and hard work from the staff.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Any player that steps out on the field has the equal opportunity to become a star as anyone else. If the desire is there, then hard work will follow. I don't even look at stars anymore. I just see players.
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I understand but it's hard to argue the fact that if you look at the top programs in college football right now (UF, OU, Texas, USC, Bama, LSU, Ohio State) all of them are loaded with 4 and 5* kids. There is a reason for that.
 
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blamie said:
It's perception vs. reality BPV...

Does that 1 star make any difference whether or not these two guys will be effective on the field at UT (if they stick to their commitment)...of course not...

Does it give the appearance that we are headed in the right direction...does it possibly attract other highly talented players...does it show that UT is still capable of drawing highly rated prospects...I think the answer is yes...

All of these things enhance the perception that UT is still at or near the elite programs in college football...and...IMO...that is one of the first steps of actually getting back there
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Good post. Obiviously Fulmer and Co seen something in these 2 kids because they offered them early when no one else was calling them. Now they are both 4* kids.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
I understand but it's hard to argue the fact that if you look at the top programs in college football right now (UF, OU, Texas, USC, Bama, LSU, Ohio State) all of them are loaded with 4 and 5* kids. There is a reason for that.
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Having coaches that utilize that talent and coach it up better than it was when they arrived on campus is the reason that the guys that go to those schools went there in the first place. You could have 20 5* players sign with you in a class, but if those players aren't developed right and put in the right positions then the whole argument is moot. You can see the recent decline in our recruiting as an example of that very thought.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I know a lot of folks want to think that recruiting is tied to these lame services, but it's still about the coaches, tradition, facilities, personalities from both sides and hard work from the staff.
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What you are doing is trying to accuse people of reading too much into the rankings. I get that. Some people do. But you are also ignoring the impact that the rankings have on recruiting. These kids follow them. They see where teams were ranked the past year and especially pay attention to where they are ranked currently. In an aspect of the program where every little detail could be the difference between landing a prospect and having them go to a rival school, it matters. It's not paramount, but it does matter.

I think you just enjoy taking a contrarian stance more than anything.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
I understand but it's hard to argue the fact that if you look at the top programs in college football right now (UF, OU, Texas, USC, Bama, LSU, Ohio State) all of them are loaded with 4 and 5* kids. There is a reason for that.
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What about Utah, who cleaned out Alabama faster than a 3H enema? Our 1985 team was not that highly rated with stars, but they developed into one of our best and most exciting teams of all time.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
What you are doing is trying to accuse people of reading too much into the rankings. I get that. Some people do. But you are also ignoring the impact that the rankings have on recruiting. These kids follow them. They see where teams were ranked the past year and especially pay attention to where they are ranked currently. In an aspect of the program where every little detail could be the difference between landing a prospect and having them go to a rival school, it matters. It's not paramount, but it does matter.

I think you just enjoy taking a contrarian stance more than anything.
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Generally, those who believe that the recruiting rankings have a big impact on recruiting are those who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at the silly things or those that have made it a business. The recruiting national championship is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

Further, if you were right, how did Alabama jump up there when Saban arrived, given that these rankings are driving recruiting?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Having coaches that utilize that talent and coach it up better than it was when they arrived on campus is the reason that the guys that go to those schools went there in the first place. You could have 20 5* players sign with you in a class, but if those players aren't developed right and put in the right positions then the whole argument is moot. You can see the recent decline in our recruiting as an example of that very thought.
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Sometimes you just can never tell with a prospect. There are so many intangibles that go into it that it's nearly impossible to know for certain how a prospect is going to respond to coaching and the rest of all that goes along with being a college football player. You can have a five star player get the best coaching and development in the world, but end up being a bust. And you can have a 2 star player make a star out of himself on his own merit more than any coaching influence. That's one thing that makes evaluation of prospects so difficult. You never know for sure how they are going to respond. The Eric Berry's and Myron Rolle's of the world are rare. They are 5 star players that would have succeeded anywhere they went.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Further, if you were right, how did Alabama jump up there when Saban arrived, given that these rankings are driving recruiting?
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From the "there's hope for early success department".... Shula avg'd a top 15 class according to Rivals in the 4 years prior to Saban taking over. He didn't inherit an empty cupboard by any stretch of the imagination... Contrary to an apparently popular notion, CLK isn't inheriting an empty cupboard either.
 
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