Schofield and Phillips awarded 4th star

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Sabanocchio said:
Sometimes you just can never tell with a prospect. There are so many intangibles that go into it that it's nearly impossible to know for certain how a prospect is going to respond to coaching and the rest of all that goes along with being a college football player. You can have a five star player get the best coaching and development in the world, but end up being a bust. And you can have a 2 star player make a star out of himself on his own merit more than any coaching influence. That's one thing that makes evaluation of prospects so difficult. You never know for sure how they are going to respond. The Eric Berry's and Myron Rolle's of the world are rare. They are 5 star players that would have succeeded anywhere they went.
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which is why this star ranking drivel is simply stupid. It has become a cottage industry because there are hordes of clowns who believe in it to their very cores.
 
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sjt18 said:
From the "there's hope for early success department".... Shula avg'd a top 15 class according to Rivals in the 4 years prior to Saban taking over. He didn't inherit an empty cupboard by any stretch of the imagination... Contrary to an apparently popular notion, CLK isn't inheriting an empty cupboard either.
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but how did he get the 5 stars when others weren't already signed up?

We're acting as if Julio Jones was going to go somewhere else if some talented QB went there. I'm saying that idea is complete garbage.
 
#32
#32
5* players almost never bust because of a lack of talent. Most of the time, they have character or academic problems or injuries. OTOH, there seems to be a lot of overlap between 4*, 3*, and 2*.

There are usually only about 30-40 5* given by Rivals nationwide. They aren't sure bet successes but are sure bet talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
5* players almost never bust because of a lack of talent. Most of the time, they have character or academic problems or injuries. OTOH, there seems to be a lot of overlap between 4*, 3*, and 2*.

There are usually only about 30-40 5* given by Rivals nationwide. They aren't sure bet successes but are sure bet talent.
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So what is Jimmy Clausen's problem?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Generally, those who believe that the recruiting rankings have a big impact on recruiting are those who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at the silly things or those that have made it a business. The recruiting national championship is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

Further, if you were right, how did Alabama jump up there when Saban arrived, given that these rankings are driving recruiting?
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Nice. Name-calling. Really showing your true nature. What, you can't have a discussion without insulting the person you are communicating with? That's a quick way to lose an argument.

Who said that it had a big impact on recruiting? Show me where I said that? How about sticking to arguing the point made rather than inventing one that's easier for you to dispute? I refuse to address any assertions that you imagine out of thin air.

And on your second point, I never said that rankings drove recruiting so you fail for a third time. When you can't address and dispute the arguments that are actually set forth and have to come up with some of your own to argue against, you have clearly lost the battle. Good day. Nice chatting with you.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but how did he get the 5 stars when others weren't already signed up?

We're acting as if Julio Jones was going to go somewhere else if some talented QB went there. I'm saying that idea is complete garbage.
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Heritage mostly. Alabama produces about twice the talent Tennessee does according to Scout and Rivals. They went there by and large because they were Bama fans their whole lives.

I said even before CPF was fired that the first hire had to be a hit. UT simply doesn't have enough legacy recruits to sustain them like Bama, UGA, and UF do.
 
#37
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Sabanocchio said:
Nice. Name-calling. Really showing your true nature. What, you can't have a discussion without insulting the person you are communicating with? That's a quick way to lose an argument.

Who said that it had a big impact on recruiting? Show me where I said that? How about sticking to arguing the point made rather than inventing one that's easier for you to dispute? I refuse to address any assertions that you imagine out of thin air.

And on your second point, I never said that rankings drove recruiting so you fail for a third time. When you can't address and dispute the arguments that are actually set forth and have to come up with some of your own to argue against, you have clearly lost the battle. Good day. Nice chatting with you.
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well done. You've pretended that it matters and now pretended I made up the idea. Now I'm the name caller after you summed me up in calling me a contrarian. Do you ever make sense?
 
#38
#38
VOLinthaATL said:
So what is Jimmy Clausen's problem?
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I don't know. He is cocky... remember when he showed up at ND in a stretch Hummer? I think he's what the other two would have been had they been talented.

He isn't flopping because he can't make the throws though nor because he isn't smart enough to learn the game.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't know. He is cocky... remember when he showed up at ND in a stretch Hummer? I think he's what the other two would have been had they been talented.

He isn't flopping because he can't make the throws though nor because he isn't smart enough to learn the game.
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You sure about that?
 
#41
#41
BigPapaVol said:
well done. You've pretended that it matters and now pretended I made up the idea. Now I'm the name caller after you summed me up in calling me a contrarian. Do you ever make sense?
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No. What happened back there was that I illustrated why it mattered in a completely accurate manner and you chose to ignore that and argue against something which I did not assert nor do I agree with. You lose by default. You are the one making no sense.
 
#42
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Sabanocchio said:
No. What happened back there was that I illustrated why it mattered in a completely accurate manner and you chose to ignore that and argue against something which I did not assert nor do I agree with. You lose by default. You are the one making no sense.
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I'm disagreeing with your accuracy, period. I'd also wager that you've never won anything in your life, so calling me a loser here is probably a bit presumptuous.
 
#43
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VOLinthaATL said:
You sure about that?
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From the times I've seen him play... yes. He does have some Crompton in him with decision making though. He tends to think he can throw through people like he did in HS.

To be fair though... Clausen has been surrounded by more talented receivers than Jon.
 
#48
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sjt18 said:
Possibly... but I'm enjoying it either way. I despise ND almost as bad as UF... I take that back... maybe a tad worse. I love how CW tied them into that contract.
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I like ND but it's nice watching someone as cocky as Weiss and Clausen fall on their faces.
 
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#49
BPV, you are in large part correct. The ranking system is just for aesthetics. But to beleive that they are totally irrelevent is naive. If you were to spend some time around a modern-day recruit then you might see the effects of a class ranking.

A recruit will not know alot about the other recruits going to a certain school other than what they read about them from these ranking services. If this recruit was looking at 4 or 5 schools they don't have time to research all of thier potential future teammates so the rankings is all they have to go off of.

This is not always the case, but good rankings can never hurt. You never know, it may make the difference between getting a Peyton Manning-type or not.
 
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OHvol40 said:
BPV, you are in large part correct. The ranking system is just for aesthetics. But to beleive that they are totally irrelevent is naive. If you were to spend some time around a modern-day recruit then you might see the effects of a class ranking.

A recruit will not know alot about the other recruits going to a certain school other than what they read about them from these ranking services. If this recruit was looking at 4 or 5 schools they don't have time to research all of thier potential future teammates to the rankings is all they have to go off of.

This is not always the case, but good rankings can never hurt. You never know, it may make the difference between getting a Peyton Manning-type or not.
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you might be surprised to know that I spend some time around modern day recruits.
 
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