Scientists Claim to Create 50 Rainstorms in Saudi Desert

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BeecherVol said:
I agree, the OP obviously didn't care.
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Well, we don't know that, but it doesn't matter it's just annoying threadjacking. This is an interesting topic, and I don't want it go into yet another global warming thread just so VNB can make some dumb straw-man argument.
 
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MontereyVol said:
It's doable, my wife did her thesis on the dust particles that are in the atmosphere over the Sahara, the actual tonnage and conditions, and correlated it to the intensity of hurricanes we get in the Gulf. It would seem with proper forecasting gear we could accurately gauge the hurricane season in the US.
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Isn't that part of Dr. Gray's formula for predicting Atlantic hurricanes (i.e., number of dust storms in the Sahara during a particular time of year, or something like that)?
 
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IPorange said:
Yes, think so.
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I did an oral report on his method once, but that was in sophomore or junior year of high school...which was about 15 years ago (wow...can't believe it has been that long), so there's been a lot of time for "misremembering." I always wanted to take more meteorology courses while here in graduate school, but I only got the chance to take one and couldn't get the electives in for Emanuel's tropical forecasting course.
 
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TennTradition said:
I did an oral report on his method once, but that was in sophomore or junior year of high school...which was about 15 years ago (wow...can't believe it has been that long), so there's been a lot of time for "misremembering." I always wanted to take more meteorology courses while here in graduate school, but I only got the chance to take one and couldn't get the electives in for Emanuel's tropical forecasting course.
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Just call for a 50% chance of rain everyday.:good!:
 
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I'm assuming since this area of science is so new that no one really knows what would happen if this was put into continual widespread use. What would be some concerns you (IP, Tradition, and others) would have. Is it mainly the possible (or would it be probable?) change in weather patterns/climate for other parts of the world?
 
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Well, you're forcibly removing moisture from the air, so you might be disrupting weather elsewhere for one. Secondly, and this is more conceptual so it's hard to really communicate without writing huge blocks of text, but there are complicated positive and negative feedback loops in weather and climate that would certainly be altered. And then there are the unforeseen effects it might have in the immediate natural environment.

Besides, the second humans take control of the weather, it will be like Atlas shouldering the weight of the world. We'll be forever pushing and pulling on it, trying to get it "just right," which is an artificial state that doesn't exist outside of our own arbitrary minds.
 
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Like most things, I'm not too worried about the technology applied on a research scale. However, the goal is likely for this to be applied over much wider areas and on a much larger scale. By removing the moisture in the air over one area, you are likely preventing another area from getting moisture it would otherwise get. If this happens to be the ocean, then who cares? If it happens to be Kansas, then a lot of people care. The only reason I might get worked up over the research would be that once it is let loose, there is no good way to control it internationally. You do worry about one nation "stealing" another nation's rain by forcing it out of the air before it reaches the other country and therefore inducing drought in the neighboring country. It would have to be a very effective technology before that would become too much of a concern, though.
 
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TennTradition said:
Isn't that part of Dr. Gray's formula for predicting Atlantic hurricanes (i.e., number of dust storms in the Sahara during a particular time of year, or something like that)?
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No idea, I would have to ask my wife and that crap bored me to tears after she got past the theory part.
 
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TennTradition said:
Like most things, I'm not too worried about the technology applied on a research scale. However, the goal is likely for this to be applied over much wider areas and on a much larger scale. By removing the moisture in the air over one area, you are likely preventing another area from getting moisture it would otherwise get. If this happens to be the ocean, then who cares? If it happens to be Kansas, then a lot of people care. The only reason I might get worked up over the research would be that once it is let loose, there is no good way to control it internationally. You do worry about one nation "stealing" another nation's rain by forcing it out of the air before it reaches the other country and therefore inducing drought in the neighboring country. It would have to be a very effective technology before that would become too much of a concern, though.
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Water resources are a good model to look at when wondering how this may end up being handled internationally.
 
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Werent we dropping stuff from planes into hurricanes in the 60s or 70s to try to alter the course or weaken them. Pretty sure caribbean countries were pissed about it

here is something about how we altered the rain patterns in Vietnam.

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am also pretty sure the Russians were doing something with artillery and clouds to make it rain
 
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TennTradition said:
Like most things, I'm not too worried about the technology applied on a research scale. However, the goal is likely for this to be applied over much wider areas and on a much larger scale. By removing the moisture in the air over one area, you are likely preventing another area from getting moisture it would otherwise get. If this happens to be the ocean, then who cares? If it happens to be Kansas, then a lot of people care. The only reason I might get worked up over the research would be that once it is let loose, there is no good way to control it internationally. You do worry about one nation "stealing" another nation's rain by forcing it out of the air before it reaches the other country and therefore inducing drought in the neighboring country. It would have to be a very effective technology before that would become too much of a concern, though.
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Basically if it worked you could be removing one "dry" desert, and replacing it with another.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Nah, it was a shot at the OP. It had nothing to do with the thread, but they just wanted to ***** about the OP's responses in the global warming thread.
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As the poster I can assure it was not a shot at the OP responses to GW. I'm not sure I even know what the OPs views on GW are and I haven't participated in those threads for quite some time.

It was a bit of levity using satire. Apparently it dislodged you shoulder chip. :hi:
 
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IPorange said:
Well, you're forcibly removing moisture from the air, so you might be disrupting weather elsewhere for one. Secondly, and this is more conceptual so it's hard to really communicate without writing huge blocks of text, but there are complicated positive and negative feedback loops in weather and climate that would certainly be altered. And then there are the unforeseen effects it might have in the immediate natural environment.

Besides, the second humans take control of the weather, it will be like Atlas shouldering the weight of the world. We'll be forever pushing and pulling on it, trying to get it "just right," which is an artificial state that doesn't exist outside of our own arbitrary minds.
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I could see the inevitable tug and pull on the weather from country to country. I opens up a lot of interesting scenarios. Maybe the UN can write up some useless resolutions of weather warfare or something.

As to the point of trying to get the weather 'just right', we're already there to a large extent with the climate change debate. Not to turn this thread into that, but we already have people starting to decree that the weather patterns we see today are 'just right'
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Werent we dropping stuff from planes into hurricanes in the 60s or 70s to try to alter the course or weaken them. Pretty sure caribbean countries were pissed about it

here is something about how we altered the rain patterns in Vietnam.

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am also pretty sure the Russians were doing something with artillery and clouds to make it rain
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I believe we did this in Vietnam during the war. Bring on storm cells as a method of lowering the morale of the people. As far as I know the operation was successful. Only problem is that it had the same effect on our troops! :loco:
 
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