Scoring droughts

#27
#27
87Vol said:
I love Rick Barnes as a person, and he is a really great coach and a HOF'er, however a common thread among his entire career are, great defensive teams and the penchant for scoring droughts. That typically limits his teams to being Sweet 16 level programs. I don't know about the rest of Big Orange Country, but that's just not good enough anymore. I want us to be more than that. I hope when Rick hangs it up, we have enough ambition and sense to go get someone more proven, who can take us to a higher level, instead of going back to rolling the dice with a mid-major flavor du jour, like we have almost always done in the past. (with the notable exception of Barnes himself)
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TN is working on their 9th 25 win season EVER. 6 of 9 will belong to Barnes (in 10 years).

Fahr Barnes!!!
 
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kckempf said:
Probably an exaggeration? NBA scoring was at its lowest in the first decade of the 2000s, when it averaged about 96 points per game. Ironically it was the limited defense of the time that contributed to the scoring issues, as every team had some offensive plan that involved grinding out the clock in an isolation play.
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I would say before MJ retired the first time. WGN would show all the Bull’s games.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
This is actually one of Barnes best coaching years. It’s not the most talented team. Things may have been different with JP and D Stone getting more playing time.
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Coming into the year I was expecting a Sweet 16 to be the ceiling. I wasn’t expecting 5x weeks with the #1 AP ranking and being in the top 10 every week since November. Anybody wanting a coaching change right now is simply dumb as a rock.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
I would say before MJ retired the first time. WGN would show all the Bull’s games.
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Scoring was over 100 ppg at that time, but he did help usher in the isolation era. With zone defenses being banned, teams were incentivized to pull everybody to one side of the court to isolate an attacker on-on-one with a defender. It got really ugly before they started allowing zone defenses. They keep the zone defenses from clogging the lane with giants by having a defensive 3 second rule.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Scoring isn’t linear

We scored 76 points

This game actually moved us up to #21 in offense on KP

All teams suffer scoring droughts. We actually suffer them less than the majority of CBB teams this year.

So this is one of those things that might feel true. You might feel that we suffer frequent scoring droughts. But We have a full season worth of data to look at that says, no, not really.
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This exactly. Well-said. I still marvel, although I shouldn’t, at the absolute stubborness that some of these posters exhibit, even the ones who post a lot. Facts are facts, but folks will continue to push certain narratives, true or not.
 
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87Vol said:
I love Rick Barnes as a person, and he is a really great coach and a HOF'er, however a common thread among his entire career are, great defensive teams and the penchant for scoring droughts. That typically limits his teams to being Sweet 16 level programs. I don't know about the rest of Big Orange Country, but that's just not good enough anymore. I want us to be more than that. I hope when Rick hangs it up, we have enough ambition and sense to go get someone more proven, who can take us to a higher level, instead of going back to rolling the dice with a mid-major flavor du jour, like we have almost always done in the past. (with the notable exception of Barnes himself)
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To get someone more proven? Really?
 
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Last night…the multiple “and one’s” for Ole Miss (I think they only failed to convert one) highlighted our problem last night. We were simply lazy and not very aggressive especially on defense. We allowed Rebs to dominate us in the paint. IMO…offense was not in our top problems last night. We simply had too many breakdowns…and IF you are going to foul a shooter, especially in the low post, DO NOT LET THEM MAKE THE BASKET TOO! Just my humble - but accurate - opinion 😃😃
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
TN is working on their 9th 25 win season EVER. 6 of 9 will belong to Barnes (in 10 years).

Fahr Barnes!!!
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I think the Good-Oil might have leaked into your brain. Who said anything about firing Barnes? The winning we've done under Barnes has been fun and no doubt has been our greatest period in program history. That being said, it ain't quite enough. What matters most in college basketball is how you do in the tournament. Final Fours or better are what really matters. Barnes and his system can't quite seem to get us there. Therefore, when he retires, by his own choosing, we need to make the best possible choice that can take us beyond where he has taken us. A gamble hire on an "up and coming" mid-major coach, would be short-sighted and incredibly stupid.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Interesting comment given who we were specifically talking about and what your specific words were.
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Well in going back and reading it, my wording may have been a little ambiguous. My comparison for Rick Barnes replacement was intended to be between a more proven head coach, and an "up and comer" mid-major guy. I can see how it might have been misinterpreted. My mistake.
 
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easy missed shots....bouncing balls off their feet....passing the ball to the 2nd row of the crowd and not rebounding is what makes the scoring droughts even more miserable.
 
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TNVOLFN said:
Agreed. The game winning play by Ole Miss exemplified our issues last night in a nutshell: Felix stood there and watched as the dude who punked us the entire 2nd half gathered an offensive rebound for the win - sickening.
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Yeah idk what he was doing there. He has to find someone to box out, namely the guy who killed us all 2nd half
 
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omghulkhands said:
Scoring isn’t linear

We scored 76 points

This game actually moved us up to #21 in offense on KP

All teams suffer scoring droughts. We actually suffer them less than the majority of CBB teams this year.

So this is one of those things that might feel true. You might feel that we suffer frequent scoring droughts. But We have a full season worth of data to look at that says, no, not really.
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We're also playing more teams, due to the strength of the SEC this year, with the defensive capability to shut down any team for minutes at a time. For us to be 24-6, ranked 4th in the country, and in the discussion for a #1 seed this time a year says wonders about the job Coach Barnes has done with this team.
 
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SicEmSmokey33 said:
Up 21-14 with 12:04 left, didnt score again til 8:34 mark.
Up 29-20 with 6:28 left, score is 32-31 was with 4:18. 11-3 run in little more than 2 minutes.
Up 44-36 with 18:32 left, dont score again til 15:13 left, 8-1 run.
8 plus minutes of game time without scoring and getting out rebounded and killed in the paint isnt gonna take us far.
I love this team but they have to minimize the offensive lulls the rest of the way.
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I don’t think those are unusual scoring droughts. The thing that frustrated me was letting them do the exact same thing the entire second half without stopping them consistently and even more frustrating was getting beat to most of the loose balls, not boxing out, the hustle plays. On the winning put back, not one person even tried to box out the Ole Miss guy. He strolled in the lane, grabbed the ball and flipped it in with zero resistance. That was not a good second half at all. Shockingly, we still had a chance but it reminded me a lot of the Vandy game we lost.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
I’m interested to see how the SEC teams do in the tournament. Just to see if the conference is really this good or will it be the same blue bloods again.
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The conference is insanely good, that’s already been proven in the nonconference play as the SEC is a combined 54-15 against the Big 10, Big 12 and ACC. The tournament results won’t change that but I do expect 2 F4 SEC teams and probably 3 E8. To be fair the Big 10 has held their own well against the SEC.
 
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SicEmSmokey33 said:
Getting outrebounded by a bad rebounding and getting outscored in the paint are definitely at the top of the list. Give Ole Miss credit for that. But here is my point with the scoring ... Up 21-14 went 0/5, up 29-20 two turnovers and 0/2, up 44-36 went 0/4 and 2 turnovers...do anything those stretches and we win. Wouldn't have hurt to have stopped Lebron Brakefield either lol
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I get you there. I do agree we got a little careless anytime it seemed we were about to take control. The consistent issue the second half was not stopping the dribble drive. Ole Miss got to the rim at will that second half and it was hard to watch.
 
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TNVOLFN said:
Agreed. The game winning play by Ole Miss exemplified our issues last night in a nutshell: Felix stood there and watched as the dude who punked us the entire 2nd half gathered an offensive rebound for the win - sickening.
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You just might go back and watch a slo-mo video of what exactly happened there.
 
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