Season Loses and recruiting

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Allvolinnashville

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They problem is if we keep losing games will recruits ( high profile) want to come here? Put aside history, tradition..some of these young guys do not remember these days. I know we have great facilities that help sell recruits but does this matter that much to a young person. If a school has great facilities but bats .500 every season compared to a school that has subpar facilities but bates .900 every season and wins a bowl game...what would you do? Yes we offer playing time in the SEC but if you were an 18 yr old ( leave aside that your blood runs orange) would you not want to play for a winning program? I just hope that this season will not hurt recruiting. A FL win would help out tremoundosly. Remember..we have a great COMMITTED class for next year BUT they havent signed yet.
 
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Personally, I would prefer the playing time and facilities that would help prepare me for the next level.
 
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Kids that flip-flop based on records, are not the type of kids that Dooley and Co, are looking for, or many other college coaches. Not every high profile recruit can go to a Florida or Texas. We will get our fair share.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kids that flip-flop based on records, are not the type of kids that Dooley and Co, are looking for, or many other college coaches. Not every high profile recruit can go to a Florida or Texas. We will get our fair share.
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You need to get your head out of the sand.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
You need to get your head out of the sand.
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Coaches don't want that in a recruit. If a recruit is not going to go somewhere based on that team losing a few games, then they are not what you are looking for mentally in a recruit. The ability to handle adversity is a high held commodity in recruiting, not the ability to feel great after a win.
 
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There aren't any recruits that don't remember when Tennessee was at least a contender for the SEC title. It was just three years ago. We're not exactly Minnesota, where they have a gazillion national and Big Ten titles, but none that you remember unless you're over 60.

And it didn't seem to hurt Alabama in recruiting when they were coming off seasons like 3-8 and 4-9, and were coached by a nitwit to boot.

What will matter is whether or not Tennessee improves over the course of the season, and potential recruits have a chance to see how our many young starters develop. If we look bad in November, then there's cause for concern, and for a lot of reasons other than just recruiting. But that's not worth speculating on until then, and then only if that happens.
 
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Me too. His point is extremely valid.

The issue is almost 100% playing time these days. Kids don't need to make the choice between a winning program and great facilities anymore. What, does Texas, Ohio St, and Florida have sub-par facilities? Not many kids around the country are really struggling with the decision of whether or not to go to Boise St.
 
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It helps to be in the hunt for championships no doubt.

I would imagine that if you are not, kids want to see if you are headed that way. If you are and you have more room on the depth chart then some of the other top teams. You have a selling point.

These HS kids can see the depth issues that UT has, they have to determine if DD has that program on the way up. This year, that may not be determined just by the win/lose record. And there are other factors that go with this, development (NFL), location, academics.....etc
 
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You want to see improvement. You want to get on the bus while the team is on the way up and know that you have a chance to win SEC or national championships while you're in school.
 
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BeecherVol said:
It helps to be in the hunt for championships no doubt.

I would imagine that if you are not, kids want to see if you are headed that way. If you are and you have more room on the depth chart then some of the other top teams. You have a selling point.

These HS kids can see the depth issues that UT has, they have to determine if DD has that program on the way up. This year, that may not be determined just by the win/lose record. And there are other factors that go with this, development (NFL), location, academics.....etc
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Look at it this way...Vanderbilt...good school academics..etc..there coach can recruit players and tell them that they want to make a run at the BCS National championship game..does this really matter to a recruit? After all they are in the SEC...playing time...but they do not land the recruits like we do at this point. It is a selling feature. Not that I am comparing us to Vandy by any means...but think about it. Wins matter...if not our recruiting will drop off significantly. Period.
 
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Saban went 6-6 at Bama his first year, with a loss to Louisiana-Monroe. Then signed the #1 class months later. Just sayin.

Dooley will sign a top 15 class this February, decent chance at a top 10 with the elite prospects who have us in their top 3-5 right now. We'll be fine.
 
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Allvolinnashville said:
They problem is if we keep losing games will recruits ( high profile) want to come here? Put aside history, tradition..some of these young guys do not remember these days. I know we have great facilities that help sell recruits but does this matter that much to a young person. If a school has great facilities but bats .500 every season compared to a school that has subpar facilities but bates .900 every season and wins a bowl game...what would you do? Yes we offer playing time in the SEC but if you were an 18 yr old ( leave aside that your blood runs orange) would you not want to play for a winning program? I just hope that this season will not hurt recruiting. A FL win would help out tremoundosly. Remember..we have a great COMMITTED class for next year BUT they havent signed yet.
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Apparently the definition of the word "great" isn't what it once was. A UT recruiting class full of almost exclusively 3-star players is more appropriately classified as disappointing than great.
 
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BeecherVol said:
It helps to be in the hunt for championships no doubt.

I would imagine that if you are not, kids want to see if you are headed that way. If you are and you have more room on the depth chart then some of the other top teams. You have a selling point.

These HS kids can see the depth issues that UT has, they have to determine if DD has that program on the way up. This year, that may not be determined just by the win/lose record. And there are other factors that go with this, development (NFL), location, academics.....etc
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Allvolinnashville said:
Look at it this way...Vanderbilt...good school academics..etc..there coach can recruit players and tell them that they want to make a run at the BCS National championship game..does this really matter to a recruit? After all they are in the SEC...playing time...but they do not land the recruits like we do at this point. It is a selling feature. Not that I am comparing us to Vandy by any means...but think about it. Wins matter...if not our recruiting will drop off significantly. Period.
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So we agree that it matters.

As I stated in the last paragraph, there is not a sole reason, it can be several.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kids that flip-flop based on records, are not the type of kids that Dooley and Co, are looking for, or many other college coaches.
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Yes. Give me a team loaded loaded with players that don't care if they win. That's a great recipe for success!
 
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UTVOL02 said:
Saban went 6-6 at Bama his first year, with a loss to Louisiana-Monroe. Then signed the #1 class months later. Just sayin.

Dooley will sign a top 15 class this February, decent chance at a top 10 with the elite prospects who have us in their top 3-5 right now. We'll be fine.
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But....Saban had a history at LSU...head coach of the Dolphins in NFL...that is a great selling point to a recruit. I like Dooley and think he can do this...but just saying...what do we have to sell right now besides playing time..tradition..Neyland.. When a high profile recruit could go to florida, alabama, texas, osu, usc...etc. Resume wise...play for saban his first year with LSU and NFL credentials or DD. I want us back at the top...but DD was put in a bad spot..to clean up Fulmer and X mess. I was impressed with the D last game and we havent been that agressive on D in YEARS..I see changes..it just might take longer than we think. hope not..just being realistic.
 
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Vol423 said:
Yes. Give me a team loaded loaded with players that don't care if they win. That's a great recipe for success!
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Where the HELL did I say that?? Coaches want players that will play non-stop, no matter if you win or lose. If all a player is concerned about is winning, then UT probably isn't the right place for them for about the next 2 years.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
Dooley will sign a top 15 class this February, decent chance at a top 10 with the elite prospects who have us in their top 3-5 right now. We'll be fine.
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now that is some optimism, according to rivals UT is ranked #35 in class rankings...that would be a considerable jump.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
Saban went 6-6 at Bama his first year, with a loss to Louisiana-Monroe. Then signed the #1 class months later. Just sayin.

Dooley will sign a top 15 class this February, decent chance at a top 10 with the elite prospects who have us in their top 3-5 right now. We'll be fine.
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Saban also had a national championship ring on his finger, and he could explain to recruits that he had a proven plan to turn a program around and win a national championship. I'm NOT Anti-Dooley, but Dooley can't say that.

There is NO chance that we sign a top 15 or top 10 class this year.
 
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Recruiting is all about a staffs ability to sell themselves and the program and build relationships with recruits. Teams that are down can sell need, teams on top can sell their record.

If this team has many ugly losses like the one with Oregon it will be tough. We aren't expected to win games against top notch programs in the conference and across the nation right now. If we fail to compete or show interest when we are down recruits will take note and CDD's job gets much tougher than it already is.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Where the HELL did I say that?? Coaches want players that will play non-stop, no matter if you win or lose. If all a player is concerned about is winning, then UT probably isn't the right place for them for about the next 2 years.
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So you agree that recruits that are concerned about winning probably don't want to come to UT for the next two years. You just naively think that winning isn't important to the majority of the most talented players in the nation.
 
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