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Tonight we should see more in terms of how the SEC matches up. If Florida is a threat to win the conference, they should compete well against Ohio State. If they are soft inside, Sullinger should go off for a very big night. If they are hungry and ready to prove that they are not soft at all, Patric and Maclin should provide them with a strong inside presence. If Florida wins a game in which Boynton makes 10 3's, it will tell us less about them than if they win a game in which they outrebound Ohio State by 10.

In a very young season, while you cannot say that exhibition wins or losses are very meaningful, you can say that the regular season games have established a few things if you are paying close attention.

1. Auburn is as bad as everyone predicted. Not sure who the doubters on here were supposed to be regarding a team who only had 2 quality players who were both freshman that did not make it in, but the Tigers will bring up the rear in the SEC.

2. Wake Forest is not the Demon Deacons you think of. They have an established brand as a very strong team, but this year they are not that at all. They lost to Stetson and were in danger in the final minute of losing to Hampton.

3. Georgia Tech is also not a good team. At some point people will have to recognize that Ga Tech has a coach who is the king of talent wasters, but until then a few NBA players will head to Atlanta to be surrounded by crap and sleep through a painful season. Tech beat Charleston Southern while shooting less than 30% and scoring a Wisconsinesque 52 points, and now they have lost by double digits to Kennesaw State.

The combination of these two performances should make people wonder about the strength of the ACC. Clemson just had a huge 8 point win over Wofford, and now gets before the end of the month Michigan and shortly after South Carolina in games that should give us a better handle on those Tigers.

GP has Duke and UNC at the top of the conference and both should be awesome, he also projects Va Tech, Maryland, NC State (who Lowe has never taken better than 9th in the conference) and FSU to make the tournament. If Lowe can win on the road before Dec 5th at Wisconsin or at Syracuse it will herald a team that should take him to places he has never been.

Va Tech will be taking on Kansas State tonight. Their future OOC opponents include Miss State, Purdue and Penn State (who they should beat unless pundits are very wrong about both).

You have to give Miami a good loss for losing to Memphis in the manner they did. Hard to know at this point if they looked really good, or if Memphis is going to struggle more this season than their ranking suggests.
LSU has two more tune ups before they face the Tigers before Thanksgiving.

Virginia has to go on the road to play Stanford, Washington and Minnesota, a series in which they may go 0-3. They also have to play OOC foes Oregon and LSU at home. Virginia is a team not likely headed to the tournament. LSU-Virginia like Clemson-South Carolina will be an opportunity to prove my theory.

I submit that the SEC will have Auburn stinking out loud, but overall could be a deeper conference with less crap teams than the ACC. Imagine Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Vanderbilt and Miss State against the top 6 in the ACC/SEC and it is hard to see clearly SEC superiority, but the SEC might go 5-1 with seeded matchups against the bottom 6.


Another fun game to watch but painful for me as a Big 10 hater will be Michigan State versus South Carolina...Kalin Lucas looked healthy in scoring 15 in the first half against Eastern Michigan, and even with a bigger and deeper team than last year, Horn should be run out of the building. Michigan State should have a great deal more trouble beating UK in the Maui coming up next week.

The Vols get started tonight against Belmont.
Rick Byrd has a dangerous shooter in Ian Clark, and some real size in the post, but we should put it to the Bruins. The field for the NIT looking to go to NYC is:
Arkansas State, Belmont, Boston U, George Washington, Hampton, Marist, Missouri State, Nevada, Pacific, Pepperdine, Tennessee, UCLA, VCU, Villanova, Wake Forest, Winthrop

As I said Wake Forest is not the team we thought they were, and if Pearl does not beat Belmont, Missouri State/Arkansas State winner, and Wake/VCU winner, we should be embarrassed. After that we get to take on a TOUGH top of the bracket team that will likely be Villanova but could be UCLA as well (here is the bracket) http://www.ncaa.com/graphics/2010-tip-off-bracket.pdf If TN won that championship in NYC with Tobias Harris as an NYC kid showing out, everyone would forget about the exhibition loss and TN would become a team with good buzz and an OOC schedule that leaves lots more spotlight games to come.

TN Villanova could also be an even more interesting game because it is an opportunity for NYC kids to watch Pinkston (provided he can get back in after his assault charge 'Nova's Pinkston charged with assault, harassment - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com) and Harris bang against each other again. If you ask most of those who write on this board, Pearl is several rungs below Jay Wright, and a victory here over a higher ranked coach would not be as meaningful as a tournament win, but because of recruiting it would be very very big in the NYC area, probably looming larger than our other Big East matchups.

Miss State and Kentucky have big chances to prove themselves before year end in tournaments, but I am most interested in Georgia. Lots of hype for this team. If they beat Notre Dame, Temple and Wisconsin in the Old Spice, they will have gone a VERY long way to living up to the hype. Old Spice Classic - CBSSports.com
If they lose twice in that tournament it will be an indication that they may finish behind Vanderbilt in the East in a 5th place that does not guarantee the tournament even in the expanded field.
 
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Good Read.
I feel less certain of what kind of team we will have this year than ever before. Should be another interesting year.
GO VOLS!
 
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Thanks Roller. The Preseason NIT really could go a long way to showing how TN is doing. Winning 3 might give people a false sense of how good we are. Being 4-0 with wins over UTC, Belmont, Missouri State (or Arkansas State who led Ole Miss for a while) and then a bad Wake Forest team would not prove much at all.

Beating Villanova? Tobias Harris shining like a crazy diamond in Madison Square Garden? That would be VERY big for our program. If I had to choose between winning that game on that stage or beating Pitt on the road, I take the MSG victory.
 
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GP has Duke and UNC at the top of the conference and both should be awesome, he also projects Va Tech, Maryland, NC State (who Lowe has never taken better than 9th in the conference) and FSU to make the tournament. If Lowe can win on the road before Dec 5th at Wisconsin or at Syracuse it will herald a team that should take him to places he has never been.

Va Tech will be taking on Kansas State tonight. Their future OOC opponents include Miss State, Purdue and Penn State (who they should beat unless pundits are very wrong about both).

Just some thoughts....

UNC will definitely bounce back. Barnes (although not as good as all the hype, IMO) will be good and Henson is poised to break out. However, this team is still relying on Drew II to be their PG and motor, and he has yet to prove he can do it at a high level. I'm not ready to give them the nod just yet.

Duke is #1, and deservedly so. Singler is most likely the POY this season. However, I do feel that they will miss Scheyers leadership a bit, but most of all Zoubek down on the post. The biggest reason they won the tourney last season was his controlling the boards the latter quarter of the season and in the tourney. While good and probably a #1 seed, they are not a lock.

VT may lose tonight, but there is no shame in losing to that team in THAT building. I think they will have a good season.

NC State is still a wildcard IMO, because of Lowe. They have the talent to get in the tourney with a 5 or 6 seed.
 
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TN Villanova could also be an even more interesting game because it is an opportunity for NYC kids to watch Pinkston (provided he can get back in after his assault charge 'Nova's Pinkston charged with assault, harassment - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com) and Harris bang against each other again. If you ask most of those who write on this board, Pearl is several rungs below Jay Wright, and a victory here over a higher ranked coach would not be as meaningful as a tournament win, but because of recruiting it would be very very big in the NYC area, probably looming larger than our other Big East matchups.

'Nova has six guys from the NYC area that NYC kids can watch. Most of those guys are from the private Catholic schools that produce talent; Pinkston is just one of those, not The one. From that stand point it really doesn't matter if Pinkston plays because Jay Wright is so connected with those coaches and the focus of most NYC kids will be on Bronx native and St Patrick's product Corey Fisher who scored 105 points in an NYC summer league game.

Pinkston was and is going to be a role player coming off the bench anyway, so the Pinkston/ Harris matchup is a little overplayed anyway.

If you ask anyone in the CBB world Wright is more highly regarded than Pearl, period.

Will a win for UT, featuring Harris, in NYC help? Sure, but you are way overstating it's importance in recruiting the NYC area. You should have seen all the coaches from the NYC area at Jay Wright's coaching clinic; dude is connected.

Did Bernard King open an NYC pipeline?
 
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Brian Williams, Tobias Harris.

JZ bottom line is Bruce is able to recruit in NYC area in a way that no coach before him has been able to.

He is not a southerner. That actually accrues to his benefit when he is trying to bring some studs down to Knoxville.

I am not saying one win will move Pearl past Jay Wright, I am saying that it will resonate in the minds of recruits who hear from lots of places that the programs are light years apart.

If you read Zagsblog, you saw the absolute derision on the part of lots of Big East homers when it came to the chances TN had.

If we win against Villanova, we will likely be 2-1 against Big East teams this year, and trust me that even though UConn is not a strong team, those same High School players and coaches watch the Huskies and will notice if we beat them.
 
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Brian Williams, Tobias Harris.

JZ bottom line is Bruce is able to recruit in NYC area in a way that no coach before him has been able to.

He is not a southerner. That actually accrues to his benefit when he is trying to bring some studs down to Knoxville.

I am not saying one win will move Pearl past Jay Wright, I am saying that it will resonate in the minds of recruits who hear from lots of places that the programs are light years apart.

If you read Zagsblog, you saw the absolute derision on the part of lots of Big East homers when it came to the chances TN had.

If we win against Villanova, we will likely be 2-1 against Big East teams this year, and trust me that even though UConn is not a strong team, those same High School players and coaches watch the Huskies and will notice if we beat them.

Since the NCAA will most likely drop the hammer on the Huskies anyway it won't carry the same significance on recruiting.
 
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Brian Williams, Tobias Harris.

JZ bottom line is Bruce is able to recruit in NYC area in a way that no coach before him has been able to.

He is not a southerner. That actually accrues to his benefit when he is trying to bring some studs down to Knoxville.

I am not saying one win will move Pearl past Jay Wright, I am saying that it will resonate in the minds of recruits who hear from lots of places that the programs are light years apart.

If you read Zagsblog, you saw the absolute derision on the part of lots of Big East homers when it came to the chances TN had.

If we win against Villanova, we will likely be 2-1 against Big East teams this year, and trust me that even though UConn is not a strong team, those same High School players and coaches watch the Huskies and will notice if we beat them.

If you think BP is going to make inroads at the St. Anthony's, St. Benedict's and St. Patrick's of the world while not being able to recruit off campus for one year you are dreaming.

Awesome job getting Tobias, but he does not come from the private Catholic school system like most in NYC do. Additionally I get the vibe that the way things went down with Pinkston on UT's end won't help in the NYC area either.

Pearl needs to focus more on Georgia/Atlanta than NYC or Memphis or he is wasting his time.
 
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I bet NYC kids will be lining up on Chamique Holdsclaw Dr after watching B. Williams to play for UT.

Kid from the Bronx who was fat and unwanted develops into a senior who goes off in MSG for 20 and 10 and it will be in all the papers sports sections.

Brian Williams is probably in the last group of his kind thanks to Pearl's increased recruiting success, yet he will provide positive press for us if we win our first two and he shows up in NYC in the way I expect him to.
 
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Villanova fan here, live 10 mins from campus, watch every game and attend 5-10 a year, so I know a lot about the program...

Last year if you guys remember when Reynolds and Fisher were suspended for the first 10 mins of the 2 vs. 15 game in the NCAA's for what Jay called a "Teaching Point." Well a few weeks later it came out Fisher knocked up Reynolds Girlfriend. This split the team in half New York kids and every1 else, thats why we got handled by St.Marys.

Our recruiting has taken a step back I think because of that. We have an average class this yr. Also don't forget about St. Johns. Steve Lavin will recruit the hell out of NYC.

Now on to the fun stuff. I would love to see a Nova Tenn matchup in the upcoming tournament. Villanova has IMO the quickest backcourt in the country Fisher and Wayns. Stokes is a sniper from the 3 and we actually have some tough big men, but cant score inside. With the Pinkston charges pending we are only playing 7 guys. I do think that Nova will win but if you get us in foul trouble you have to like your chances.

Best of Luck and I will post again about Nova if we play you guys. They are on at 530 on ESPNU if u want to check them out
 
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Kid from the Bronx who was fat and unwanted develops into a senior who goes off in MSG for 20 and 10 and it will be in all the papers sports sections.

Brian Williams is probably in the last group of his kind thanks to Pearl's increased recruiting success, yet he will provide positive press for us if we win our first two and he shows up in NYC in the way I expect him to.

You expect BW to go for 20/10 against 'Nova? Good luck with that.
 
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All due respect to HDrizzle, but yes, I do not think Villanova has a particularly great interior, and I think they will have their hands full switching to try to keep Tobias Harris from eating them up. He shined in the AA game, and I would expect him to show out in MSG.

Brian Williams played like a grown man in the NCAAs. If there is a game where he would be hungry and put it together with 10 hard earned points and 10 taken from garbage put backs and dunks on run outs, I would think it would be against Nova.

Sutton and Yarou would have their hands full against Williams, especially if Fields gave us some physical time and put those guys in some foul trouble.

I like our guards, but only a crazy man would say we match up well against a team as talented as Nova, but our frontcourt v theirs? I like it.

Tobias Harris and Brian Williams wanting to be remembered by family and friends as doing it large back home in NYC.
 
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'Nova's interior may not have great scorers but their D is stout. Yarou is 6'10 260 and would have no problem matching up with BW.

I hope TH tears it up, but he has yet to see a team that plays the physical defense 'Nova plays.

Fields is a great addition on defense, but how exactly is he going to get 'Nova in foul trouble? At best the two front courts are push. both are solid defensively and limited on offense.
 
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Our recruiting has taken a step back I think because of that. We have an average class this yr. Also don't forget about St. Johns. Steve Lavin will recruit the hell out of NYC.

They got one of the top PG's in the '11 class and have Arcidiacono a top PG for '12.

The guys in the '11 class are from the NY area so they should be alright.
 
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'Nova's interior may not have great scorers but their D is stout. Yarou is 6'10 260 and would have no problem matching up with BW.

I hope TH tears it up, but he has yet to see a team that plays the physical defense 'Nova plays.

Fields is a great addition on defense, but how exactly is he going to get 'Nova in foul trouble? At best the two front courts are push. both are solid defensively and limited on offense.

At best? No way.

You make a good argument that the frontcourts MIGHT be a push, but that's not Tennessee's "best" scenario. If Tennessee gets "best" from its frontcourt, then we'll have a strong post advantage.
 
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Hey John, go in there and frustrate their thin team. Be the big man, use your body to throw some weight around without fouling and get a couple blocks that make them feel disrespected. Then dribble once and go straight up for a dunk and try not to get hurt when you land after the hack.

It is a really complicated plan...
 
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All due respect to HDrizzle, but yes, I do not think Villanova has a particularly great interior, and I think they will have their hands full switching to try to keep Tobias Harris from eating them up. He shined in the AA game, and I would expect him to show out in MSG.

Brian Williams played like a grown man in the NCAAs. If there is a game where he would be hungry and put it together with 10 hard earned points and 10 taken from garbage put backs and dunks on run outs, I would think it would be against Nova.

Sutton and Yarou would have their hands full against Williams, especially if Fields gave us some physical time and put those guys in some foul trouble.

I like our guards, but only a crazy man would say we match up well against a team as talented as Nova, but our frontcourt v theirs? I like it.

Tobias Harris and Brian Williams wanting to be remembered by family and friends as doing it large back home in NYC.

Tobias is a tough cover. 6'8 with handles will be a matchup problem for us.

Question for you guys does Harris play more like a 3 or a 4?

Pena is our 4man and can definitely muscle up with him but not keep up with him off the dribble
 
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Tobias is a tough cover. 6'8 with handles will be a matchup problem for us.

Question for you guys does Harris play more like a 3 or a 4?

Pena is our 4man and can definitely muscle up with him but not keep up with him off the dribble

Harris is a point 4.
 
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That's code for: We don't run an offense, so the closest thing we can come to a point guard is our 4 man trying to break down the defense.

No, it means he's not a straight post guy. After watching Goins/Golden Friday, PG is the least of my concerns.
 

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