SEC attrition numbers from recruiting classes

#29
#29
What is interesting is that the UT 2009 class has the highest attrition rate (79%) of all years for any school. This was the Kiffin class and it failure coupled with the coaching changes gives you the perspective of where our program is coming from.
 
#30
#30
CobbVol said:
What is interesting is that the UT 2009 class has the highest attrition rate (79%) of all years for any school. This was the Kiffin class and it failure coupled with the coaching changes gives you the perspective of where our program is coming from.
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Kiffin bolting for USC was the direct link to the 2009 class falling apart. had he stayed, that number would have been much lower. He would have kept a lot of them.. but he left
 
#31
#31
The 2012-2014 numbers for TN really looks scary until you think about how many guys got recruited over from that period.
 
#32
#32
BigZiti09 said:
Uh, name them.
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Ole Miss makes a great comparison. Freeze inherited a similar problem if not worse. He had the added difficulty of playing in the West. He's beaten Bama twice in his 5 years. Bama only has 3 other SEC losses during that period to 3 different teams.
 
#33
#33
Pretty sure you just demolished a ginormous myth. Thank you posting this.
 
#34
#34
sjt18 said:
Ole Miss makes a great comparison. Freeze inherited a similar problem if not worse. He had the added difficulty of playing in the West. He's beaten Bama twice in his 5 years. Bama only has 3 other SEC losses during that period to 3 different teams.
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First off, he didn't inherit a worse situation than Butch.

Secondly, you said several. Should be easy for you to name some more.
 
#35
#35
sjt18 said:
Ole Miss makes a great comparison. Freeze inherited a similar problem if not worse. He had the added difficulty of playing in the West. He's beaten Bama twice in his 5 years. Bama only has 3 other SEC losses during that period to 3 different teams.
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And Ole Miss likely signed that highly-ranked first class (Hugh Freeze's first class) by cheating. There is no question that such class was extremely talented and productive while at Ole Miss, but honestly, that's a poor example given how it was assembled. I personally can't wait to hear the NCAA's findings.
 
#36
#36
LynxVol said:
And Ole Miss likely signed that highly-ranked first class (Hugh Freeze's first class) by cheating. There is no question that such class was extremely talented and productive while at Ole Miss, but honestly, that's a poor example given how it was assembled. I personally can't wait to hear the NCAA's findings.
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The most top heavy recruiting class I ever recall.

Nothing odd at all about them signing the top rated WR in the country and pulling him out of the state of Illinois or signing the nation's top offensive lineman and pulling him from the state of Florida or signing the nation's number 1 overall player and getting him to drive by powerhouse's on his way to the state of Mississippi.:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
 
#37
#37
BigZiti09 said:
First off, he didn't inherit a worse situation than Butch.
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Go back and look. His roster was also a mess. He took over from Nutt who had left an undiscipline, untalented, undeveloped roster... and a program with NCAA issues.

Secondly, you said several. Should be easy for you to name some more.
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Deal with the most relevant one and I'll find you some more. Deal?
 
#38
#38
sjt18 said:
Go back and look. His roster was also a mess. He took over from Nutt who had left an undiscipline, untalented, undeveloped roster... and a program with NCAA issues.



Deal with the most relevant one and I'll find you some more. Deal?
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We had a worse roster. Even if I concede and give you that one, I still want to hear the "several."
 
#39
#39
BigZiti09 said:
We had a worse roster. Even if I concede and give you that one, I still want to hear the "several."
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Prove it. Go back and compare the rosters and show your claim.

Malzahn took over Auburn in '13. Their attrition rate since then has been 20%. They've won a NC. He has a better overall record than Jones and a much better SEC mark than Jones in spite of playing in the West.
 
#40
#40
If you won't face these two examples honestly.... then I am definitely not going to go to the trouble of recreating Larry's research for programs outside the SEC.
 
#41
#41
sjt18 said:
Prove it. Go back and compare the rosters and show your claim.

Malzahn took over Auburn in '13. Their attrition rate since then has been 20%. They've won a NC. He has a better overall record than Jones and a much better SEC mark than Jones in spite of playing in the West.
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They haven't won the national championship. He played for it his first year. Try again
 
#42
#42
sjt18 said:
Prove it. Go back and compare the rosters and show your claim.

Malzahn took over Auburn in '13. Their attrition rate since then has been 20%. They've won a NC. He has a better overall record than Jones and a much better SEC mark than Jones in spite of playing in the West.
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They won the natty right before he got there. He inherited a loaded roster.
 
#44
#44
fade route said:
My takeaway is that Tennessee is a middle of the pack team in recruiting compared to the rest of the league and is commensurate with the performance on the field. Recruiting matters.
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We can win the east. Also, isn't that what we want, to be competitive with everyone. Except for Bama, we have a chance to win night in night out. Not like Dooley era.
 
#45
#45
sjt18 said:
You have to recalculate everyone else too. In those 4 years :

Bama- 18%
Ark- 15%
Aub- 20%
UF- 20%
UGA- 26%
UK- 19%
LSU- 19%
Ole Miss- 21%
MSU- 18%
MU- 25%
USCe- 29% (which indicts Jones even more for being outcoached by Muschamp.... again)
UT- 28%
TAM- 29%
VU- 15%

UT is still at the bottom of the conference for attrition under Jones. It appears from Larry's data that some other programs have figured out how to improve their overall attrition..
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We signed 30 and 32 guys in that time period. Of course we're going to have high attrition. Guys realize they've been recruited over pretty quickly. If you skim through the SEC classes with 30+ players in them, the attrition actually is comparatively low for classes that large - especially in back to back seasons.
 
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