SEC champions and Final Four the goal...

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zansdad said:
Your talking about post season results. I am talking about reasonable expectations. Understanding the quality of your team and having a honest evaluation of your teams strengths and weaknesses is not a defeatist type attitude. If the basketball players were tweeting about an undefeated season, would you guys still say that was reasonable? Because there have been more perfect NCAA basketball seasons than there have been UT trips to the final 4.
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It is a defeatist attitude......the players and coaches should strive to win every single game......you are confusing realistic expectations with the goals they are setting for themselves......is it probably that they make the final four.....no.....but is it possibly.....yes.....especially if they are working as hard as they say they are and not just not talking a big game....they should be working on their weaknesses and the coaching staff should try to enhance our strengths and hide our weaknesses.....the assessing u are talking about should be left to Dave hart.....if our players felt the way you do we never would have won against Florida which so many of our fans laughed at also.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It is a defeatist attitude......the players and coaches should strive to win every single game......you are confusing realistic expectations with the goals they are setting for themselves......is it probably that they make the final four.....no.....but is it possibly.....yes.....especially if they are working as hard as they say they are and not just not talking a big game....they should be working on their weaknesses and the coaching staff should try to enhance our strengths and hide our weaknesses.....the assessing u are talking about should be left to Dave hart.....if our players felt the way you do we never would have won against Florida which so many of our fans laughed at also.
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So you're saying the goal should be a perfect season?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think many players in sports say the goal is to win every game. Most acknowledge it probably won't happen, but they are very open that the goal is to win every game.
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Find me a quote then. A serious quote from any other major sport, other than college football, where someone is talking about a perfect season as the goal for their team, not just a "you want to win them all" BS quote in passing. Or how about an unbeaten, unscored upon season in football.
 
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zansdad said:
Find me a quote then. A serious quote from any other major sport, other than college football, where someone is talking about a perfect season as the goal for their team, not just a "you want to win them all" BS quote in passing. Or how about an unbeaten, unscored upon season in football.
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"The K-State basketball team has a simple goal this year; the same goal it has every year: “Win every game.”

That was the message the director of basketball operations Andy Assaley and junior players Martavious Irving and Jordan Henriquez relayed to the Rotary Club Friday afternoon.

“A lot is expected of them,” Assaley said of the two players. “We need them to lead us to have a good season. We think our last few seasons have been very good season, but our goal this year, as it is every year: win every game and win the Big 12 tournament. Someone asked me the other day, how many games do you think you guys are going to win? Reality is, all of them. That’s why they are on the schedule, to win the games. Can you beat KU at home? Yes, we’ve proven we can.”"
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Here ya go, this is from prior to this college basketball season...

"The K-State basketball team has a simple goal this year; the same goal it has every year: “Win every game.”

That was the message the director of basketball operations Andy Assaley and junior players Martavious Irving and Jordan Henriquez relayed to the Rotary Club Friday afternoon.

“A lot is expected of them,” Assaley said of the two players. “We need them to lead us to have a good season. We think our last few seasons have been very good season, but our goal this year, as it is every year: win every game and win the Big 12 tournament. Someone asked me the other day, how many games do you think you guys are going to win? Reality is, all of them. That’s why they are on the schedule, to win the games. Can you beat KU at home? Yes, we’ve proven we can.”"
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And do you take that seriously? Considering there hasn't been a perfect men's basketball team for 40 years? They have set a goal and failed at it every year on record. Isn't it time to set a new goal? And you found a quote from a PR guy at a Rotary Club meeting, those things are designed to make outlandish claims to get the boosters all fired up.
 
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zansdad said:
And do you take that seriously? Considering there hasn't been a perfect men's basketball team for 40 years? They have set a goal and failed at it every year on record. Isn't it time to set a new goal? And you found a quote from a PR guy at a Rotary Club meeting, those things are designed to make outlandish claims to get the boosters all fired up.
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You asked for a quote, it was the first I found.

The goal is to win every game, most then admit its probably unrealistic, but it's still the goal. It'd be odd for them to say our goal is to go 20-10, don't ya think?

Our HS baseball teams goal was to win every game, even though we knew it probably wouldn't happen. Once we lost one out goal was to win the rest, and so on. We didn't go into a game with the goal to lose.

There's a difference between goals and expectations. The goal should be to win every game, but no it shouldn't be the expectation either. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be a goal. Tennessee goal is SEC champs, they haven't done it, so in your opinion that shouldn't be their goal???

As I said, the goal should be to win every game. I'd have a problem if our teams goal was openly to lose 10 games, that's a bit odd, most athketes have the goal of winning every game, even though they realize it isn't realistic it's still their goal. It's a certain mindset, that's where differing the goals and expectations is key.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You asked for a quote, it was the first I found.

The goal is to win every game, most then admit its probably unrealistic, but it's still the goal. It'd be odd for them to say our goal is to go 20-10, don't ya think?

Our HS baseball teams goal was to win every game, even though we knew it probably wouldn't happen. Once we lost one out goal was to win the rest, and so on. We didn't go into a game with the goal to lose.

There's a difference between goals and expectations. The goal should be to win every game, but no it shouldn't be the expectation either. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be a goal. Tennessee goal is SEC champs, they haven't done it, so in your opinion that shouldn't be their goal???
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You are exactly right....and when you don't reach that goal it gives you something to strive for every year.....there is only one satisfied team at the end of the yr and this past yr it was Kentucky....even if we are sec champs we will still leave with a bad taste in our mouths if we lose the last game of the yr...with a little time though those accomplishments mean a lot more.
 
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zansdad said:
And do you take that seriously? Considering there hasn't been a perfect men's basketball team for 40 years? They have set a goal and failed at it every year on record. Isn't it time to set a new goal? And you found a quote from a PR guy at a Rotary Club meeting, those things are designed to make outlandish claims to get the boosters all fired up.
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Dude, come on. I don't want you cheering for the Vols if you don't even want them to win every game, like they do.

Just give it a break dude. Yeah, we're not idiots, we know the difference between goals and expectations. What's even more asinine than you thinking that we're expecting an NC in 2013 is the fact that you have a problem with our team wanting it.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Dude, come on. I don't want you cheering for the Vols if you don't even want them to win every game, like they do.

Just give it a break dude. Yeah, we're not idiots, we know the difference between goals and expectations. What's even more asinine than you thinking that we're expecting an NC in 2013 is the fact that you have a problem with our team wanting it.
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Well, here now I thought we were having a friendly debate and now you have started insulting me. Fine, the goal is to win every game.

Peace
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You asked for a quote, it was the first I found.

The goal is to win every game, most then admit its probably unrealistic, but it's still the goal. It'd be odd for them to say our goal is to go 20-10, don't ya think?

Our HS baseball teams goal was to win every game, even though we knew it probably wouldn't happen. Once we lost one out goal was to win the rest, and so on. We didn't go into a game with the goal to lose.

There's a difference between goals and expectations. The goal should be to win every game, but no it shouldn't be the expectation either. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be a goal. Tennessee goal is SEC champs, they haven't done it, so in your opinion that shouldn't be their goal???

As I said, the goal should be to win every game. I'd have a problem if our teams goal was openly to lose 10 games, that's a bit odd, most athketes have the goal of winning every game, even though they realize it isn't realistic it's still their goal. It's a certain mindset, that's where differing the goals and expectations is key.
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Have it your way. I still don't agree with you but I am tired of banging my head against the wall.
 
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zansdad said:
Have it your way. I still don't agree with you but I am tired of banging my head against the wall.
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And you don't have to that's the joy of sports, everyone gets an opinion.

Mine is that I prefer my team to go out with the mindset that they're going to win every game they get set to play, you prefer them to realize they're gonna lose some. That's fine, everybody has their opinion as I said, no harm in that.
 
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I certainly never insulted you. It's just absolutely crazy that you have somehow formulated a position AGAINST the Vols doing well this season. I don't understand why you think it's wrong for the Vols to work towards a NC just because it's unrealistic. I'm not trying to insult you, but I am pointing out that what you've been saying is straight whack.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I certainly never insulted you. It's just absolutely crazy that you have somehow formulated a position AGAINST the Vols doing well this season. I don't understand why you think it's wrong for the Vols to work towards a NC just because it's unrealistic. I'm not trying to insult you, but I am pointing out that what you've been saying is straight whack.
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That is the funnies way a person has ever not insulted me. Asinine and crazy in back to back posts. Either way, no hard feelings. Again, I am tired of arguing about it, you guys can have it your way and I will go on with my day.

Again,
Peace.
 
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zansdad said:
That is the funnies way a person has ever not insulted me. Asinine and crazy in back to back posts. Either way, no hard feelings. Again, I am tired of arguing about it, you guys can have it your way and I will go on with my day.

Again,
Peace.
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Ok, I see what you're saying. You are a poster I actually enjoy discussing with. I am not trying to insult you, yourself, but I am saying, to me, your stance on this topic is pretty outrageous.

I care what you think dude. Don't take it the wrong way. Just trying to wrap my head around your position.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Ok, I see what you're saying. You are a poster I actually enjoy discussing with. I am not trying to insult you, yourself, but I am saying, to me, your stance on this topic is pretty outrageous.

I care what you think dude. Don't take it the wrong way. Just trying to wrap my head around your position.
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My position is simply this.

Yes, as a fan, I hope we win a championship and win every game.

If I say any more, then we are just back to arguing about it. Like they say, "Reasonable minds can differ." And in this it looks like I am in the minority. I am okay with that.
 
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zansdad said:
My position is simply this.

Yes, as a fan, I hope we win a championship and win every game.

If I say any more, then we are just back to arguing about it. Like they say, "Reasonable minds can differ." And in this it looks like I am in the minority. I am okay with that.
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Ok cool. I think that's a great way to think about it. Sorry if you already said that and I missed it.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Ok cool. I think that's a great way to think about it. Sorry if you already said that and I missed it.
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Again, no hard feelings on my end. I enjoy a good discussion/debate as long as it's civil and there is actually give and take. When it either becomes uncivil or obvious that neither side is going to budge (oddly these usually happen at about the same point) I have learned over the years to just move on to more productive activities. If I wanted to argue with people whose mind I can't change and be treated poorly, I would just work more hours.:):):)
 
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Well, winning the SEC means beating Kentucky, Florida, Vandy and Missouri right?

If people think that's a legit goal and possibility, I don't see what's wrong with making the Final 4 a goal.

Those are some damn good teams.
 
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Hayezb said:
Well, winning the SEC means beating Kentucky, Florida, Vandy and Missouri right?

If people think that's a legit goal and possibility, I don't see what's wrong with making the Final 4 a goal.

Those are some damn good teams.
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Not necessarily. If you're talking about winning the regular season you just have to have a better record, doesn't necessarily mean you have to beat all 3. If you're talking winning the SEC T, there's always the chance some of those teams slip up and you don't have to play them, or knock each other out before you play them.

So no, you don't necessarily have to beat all 3 of those teams to win the SEC. And FWIW, Vandy should be BAD next year, they lose their top 6 players, they shouldn't be a contender at all. If we can't beat them handily you can probably assume we aren't good enough to win the SEC.
 
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If Vols get in tourney from a 6 seed up they will be formidable. As for SEC regular seasonI see KY being a very good top 12-15 team. But Mizzous and A&Ms entry makes it a tall task to win SEC outright. A&M and Vols will be similar imo. No one wants to play those type of get after you on d teams. As for Mizzou uptempo style will wear out several teams.
 
#47
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Bump.
Interesting predictions, with Maymon of course.
 
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