SEC championship and playoffs

#52
#52
05_never_again said:
When we get to this point in the season, I can't help but think of the "a playoff will eliminate all of the controversy associated with the BCS" narrative before the playoff was institute.

The playoff, just like the BCS, is controversial. That is actually part of its appeal, IMO.
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It's because they went about it half-a$$ed. An 8 team playoff would have been less controversial then a 4 team. Not perfect, but IMO much better than just 4 teams, and probably as perfect as you'd ever get.

I'll still take a 4 team playoff over the BCS all day and twice on Sundays, because it at least makes it more inclusive. But this was basically a compromise.
 
#53
#53
VolsSportsFan said:
It's because they went about it half-a$$ed. An 8 team playoff would have been less controversial then a 4 team. Not perfect, but IMO much better than just 4 teams, and probably as perfect as you'd ever get.

I'll still take a 4 team playoff over the BCS all day and twice on Sundays, because it at least makes it more inclusive. But this was basically a compromise.
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As soon as the contract is up for this 4-team playoff, they'll go to 8. And it'll still be just as controversial. We'll simply move from a system where the #3 or #4 team got screwed, to one where the #5 or #6 team gets screwed, to one where the #9 or #10 team gets screwed. They all involve a top 10 team getting screwed.
 
#54
#54
05_never_again said:
As soon as the contract is up for this 4-team playoff, they'll go to 8. And it'll still be just as controversial. We'll simply move from a system where the #3 team got screwed, to one where the #5 team gets screwed, to one where the #9 team gets screwed. They all involve a top 10 team getting screwed.
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Yes, but I think #9 has much less of a case to complain than #5. I can't think of a time I ever thought the #9 team in the country was actually the best team. No system is ever going to be perfect for everyone's liking.

So I don't agree it will be as controversial as a 4 team playoff, just as 4 teams isn't as controversial as the BCS, which wasn't as controversial as not even getting the 2 "best" teams to play each other in a bowl.
 
#55
#55
I actually think we're already past the "bad controversy" part. Even if we continue to expand the playoffs.

Because I don't think there has ever been, or ever will be, a #5 (or #9) team in the country who could make a straight-face claim to be the best team in the land.

Auburn, at 13-0 and ranked #2 by the AP and Coaches (but #3 by the BCS formula), could make that claim back in 2004.

But no team that was left out has been able to make a serious claim since. The best teams have always since then been included. And particularly since we expanded to the 4-team CFP.

So while there will always be controversy (we're human, and it's what we do), there will never again imo be serious claims of a possible best team being left out of the hunt.

Four is enough. Not that I'll mind when we eventually go to eight, but four is enough to be sure we find the best one.
 
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#56
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yes, but I think #9 has much less of a case to complain than #5. I can't think of a time I ever thought the #9 team in the country was actually the best team. No system is ever going to be perfect for everyone's liking.

So I don't agree it will be as controversial as a 4 team playoff, just as 4 teams isn't as controversial as the BCS, which wasn't as controversial as not even getting the 2 "best" teams to play each other in a bowl.
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I agree - I don't think the #9 team has ever been the best team, and I've never thought that about the #8 team either, but under an 8-team playoff #8 gets in and has a chance to win it all while #9 stays at home. It'll still be controversial.

We have 68 teams getting into the NCAA Tourney and there is usually some type of at least minor controversy about teams #69 and #70. Unless they go to an FCS-type of playoff, there will always be controversy about it. An FCS playoff will never happen because they'd have to reduce the regular season schedule by one game and get rid of conference title games to make the necessary room in the calendar.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I actually think we're already past the "bad controversy" part. Even if we continue to expand the playoffs.

Because I don't think there has ever been, or ever will be, a #5 (or #9) team in the country who could make a straight-face claim to be the best team in the land.

Auburn, at 13-0 and ranked #2 by the AP and Coaches (but #3 by the BCS formula), could make that claim back in 2004.

But no team that was left out has been able to make a serious claim since. The best teams have always since then been included. And particularly since we expanded to the 4-team CFP.

So while there will always be controversy (we're human, and it's what we do), there will never again imo be serious claims of a possible best team being left out of the hunt.

Four is enough. Not that I'll mind when we eventually go to eight, but four is enough to be sure we find the best one.
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Exactly, though I do want it to go to 8, but I'm happy we went from 2 to 4 at least. At least they started using the word "playoff"
 
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