SEC Expansion In Retrospect . . . Oops

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By the way, the SOS website that the Mizzou fan referred to only takes into account games against FBS opponents. Mizzou played a pretty terrible FCS school (Western Illinois) this season.
 
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#27
the reason why the computers love mizzou's schedule is because of the depth of the Big12. The top teams in the SEC are more difficult opponents than those in the Big12, but the Big12 is a fairly deep conference. No game is a guarentee... except for KU :). 8 out of the 10 teams in the Big 12 have been ranked at some point this season. In the SEC you have Ole Miss at 0-7, then Miss St, Kentucky, and UT at 1-6. A third of the conference only has 1 conference win or less. In the Big 12 only KU at 0-8 has 1 or less conference wins.
 
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MizzouMan said:
the reason why the computers love mizzou's schedule is because of the depth of the Big12. The top teams in the SEC are more difficult opponents than those in the Big12, but the Big12 is a fairly deep conference. No game is a guarentee... except for KU :). 8 out of the 10 teams in the Big 12 have been ranked at some point this season. In the SEC you have Ole Miss at 0-7, then Miss St, Kentucky, and UT at 1-6. A third of the conference only has 1 conference win or less. In the Big 12 only KU at 0-8 has 1 or less conference wins.
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...and, the fact that the computers conveniently ignore the game against Western Illinois...
 
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VOLnMiami said:
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Pretty much
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
No offense but I'd have to think with all of the information in front of them, they know more about what they are doing than you do.
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Sure, no one at the top ever makes a bad decision because he/she always carefully considers all the information.

/Iraq war
 
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Velo Vol said:
So essentially we're adding two 0.500 Big 12 teams.

Now the conference has to shell out $50 million more per year, and (in the near-term) there's no guarantee it will receive that much in additional TV revenue.

Well done.
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
No offense but I'd have to think with all of the information in front of them, they know more about what they are doing than you do.
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If the SEC benefits, it will benefit from TAMU, not from Mizzou:

COLUMBIA, Mo. -- The celebration of Missouri's move to the Southeastern Conference was still in high gear when athletic director Mike Alden acknowledged what until then had largely been unspoken.

Hanging with college sports' big dogs might earn the Tigers some extra cash, but it also likely will require the departing Big 12 member -- and its boosters -- to spend significantly more money to compete with Florida, LSU and other SEC heavyweights.

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U.S. Department of Education financial reports show 10 other schools in what will eventually be a 14-team SEC, after the addition of Missouri and Texas A&M, spend more on intercollegiate athletics than Missouri does. Florida tops the list, spending nearly $113 million in the most recent academic year. That's nearly double Missouri's $58.9 million athletics' budget.

Missouri also ranks 11th among current and future SEC schools in overall athletics revenue, bringing in $59 million in the 2010-11 academic year. Only Mississippi, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt earned less.

And Missouri's $861,859 annual recruiting budget is 12th among the 14 SEC schools. Tennessee tops that list at more than $2.29 million, while both Florida and Georgia exceed $1.5 million.

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Missouri, which expects to join the SEC on July 1, 2012, still has to negotiate its exit fees for leaving the Big 12. Initial projections outlined in a confidential document previously provided to The Associated Press suggested a possible penalty of as much as $23.3 million, an amount that represents 90 percent of the school's projected conference TV revenue over the next two years. The Big 12 bylaws call for such a penalty for schools that give between six and 12 months' notice.

But Missouri expects to pay the conference between $10 and $12 million, the report suggested, noting that both Colorado ($6.86 million) and Nebraska ($9.26 million) negotiated early departure penalties worth between 40 and 50 percent of their expected television revenue when leaving the conference earlier this year for the Pac-12 and Big 10, respectively.

Late last month, Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin suggested that his school and Missouri could negotiate together with the Big 12 in a bid to smooth their departures. The Aggies now plan to go it alone, a school spokesman said, mindful that Missouri's departure could be delayed depending on legal maneuvers surrounding West Virginia's move from the Big East Conference to the Big 12.

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Although football and TV contracts are the driving forces behind conference realignment, perhaps no better example of Missouri's promotion to a top-tier league can be found than by looking at women's tennis.

At Florida, the reigning NCAA champion and a five-time title winner since 1992, players compete in the 1,000-seat Scott Linder Stadium's 15 courts and enjoy a 5,620-square-foot building with male and female locker rooms, coaches' offices for both the men's and women's teams and a palm tree-lined outdoor courtyard. Tennessee boasts a 2,000-seat stadium that's within walking distance of campus dorms.

As for Missouri? There is no men's team, but the women's team played its home matches at city of Columbia park three miles from campus -- and shared those courts with a local high school squad -- due to drainage problems at their campus courts.
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Assuming that SEC Revenue which is currently split among twelve schools will not be split among fourteen, will that lead to an increase in revenue per school? If so, will that increase cover the extra expenses incurred to send non-revenue producing teams to Columbia, MO to compete?

Right now, each SEC Member School receives around $220 million per year from the SEC. Assuming that TAMU brings in $100 million in revenue and Mizzou brings in $60 million, that means that each member institution will now only receive $200 million from the conference. In fact, in order for each SEC Member School to receive at least $220 million from the SEC once Mizzou and TAMU are members, their inclusion would have to come with at least a $440 million increase to the revenue distribution pool.
 
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therealUT said:
If the SEC benefits, it will benefit from TAMU, not from Mizzou:



Assuming that SEC Revenue which is currently split among twelve schools will not be split among fourteen, will that lead to an increase in revenue per school? If so, will that increase cover the extra expenses incurred to send non-revenue producing teams to Columbia, MO to compete?

Right now, each SEC Member School receives around $220 million per year from the SEC. Assuming that TAMU brings in $100 million in revenue and Mizzou brings in $60 million, that means that each member institution will now only receive $200 million from the conference. In fact, in order for each SEC Member School to receive at least $220 million from the SEC once Mizzou and TAMU are members, their inclusion would have to come with at least a $440 million increase to the revenue distribution pool.
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Mizzou's revenue was $59 million in the Big12. In will be greater than that with the move to the SEC. Honestly, are you just trying to find anything possible to make mizzou look bad?
 
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MizzouMan said:
Mizzou's revenue was $59 million in the Big12. In will be greater than that with the move to the SEC. Honestly, are you just trying to find anything possible to make mizzou look bad?
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I'm looking forward to Mizzou coming to the SEC. My dad's side of the family is all over that state, so our family will be a house divided.. (college wise) should be lots of fun. I can't wait for the first game in Columbia.
 
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MizzouMan said:
Mizzou's revenue was $59 million in the Big12. In will be greater than that with the move to the SEC. Honestly, are you just trying to find anything possible to make mizzou look bad?
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Do you think that what Mizzou and TAMU add to the SEC will equal at least $440 million extra to the distribution pool?

If not, then the addition of Mizzou and TAMU make each of the current SEC institutions worse off.

The article was on the NCAA FB homepage on ESPN today. I was not out searching for anything to make Mizzou look bad. I read the article and the article makes Mizzou look bad.
 
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therealUT said:
Do you think that what Mizzou and TAMU add to the SEC will equal at least $440 million extra to the distribution pool?

If not, then the addition of Mizzou and TAMU make each of the current SEC institutions worse off.

The article was on the NCAA FB homepage on ESPN today. I was not out searching for anything to make Mizzou look bad. I read the article and the article makes Mizzou look bad.
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Mizzou makes Mizzou look bad.
 
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Yes, Mizzou is a very average football team and a mickey mouse operation, but at the end of the day, I don't see why the SEC would add them if they weren't adding more to the pie than they were taking from it. If that were the case, I would expect the presidents to be doing everything in their power to put a stop to it.
 
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milohimself said:
Yes, Mizzou is a very average football team and a mickey mouse operation, but at the end of the day, I don't see why the SEC would add them if they weren't adding more to the pie than they were taking from it. If that were the case, I would expect the presidents to be doing everything in their power to put a stop to it.
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I think the SEC very much wanted TAMU. I imagine that the SEC had their eyes on a better 14th team (Clemson, GA Tech?); yet, when that did not turn up, they desperately needed anybody to fill that slot. Thus, Mizzou.
 
#43
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Scheduling 13 teams will suck, but I have to think they would prefer that to adding a team that would lose them money.
 
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therealUT said:
I think the SEC very much wanted TAMU. I imagine that the SEC had their eyes on a better 14th team (Clemson, GA Tech?); yet, when that did not turn up, they desperately needed anybody to fill that slot. Thus, Mizzou.
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Realignment has been all about TV money. The SEC already owns South Carolina and Georgia. Slive and Co. are now in the B12's two largest states, and owns one of them entirely.

I'm not sure how much play the SEC had in East Texas before ATM, but a major boost in Texas will be big.
 
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MizzoufaninKnox said:
Realignment has been all about TV money.
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I just heard Jimmy Hyams on the radio say that someone told him that ESPN might look at all the empty seats in the stadiums and say, "Hmm, maybe your product isn't as valuable as it used to be. We're not going to pay you any more."

That's what someone told Hyams, and he helpfully regurgitated it to the audience.

We get quality sports analysis here.
 
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