SEC Expansion (merged)

#151
#151
oh, there's no doubt SC is a .500 team but Sou Fl is a baby in football. Yes, there's been some success but there's no history, no fan base. They are so green in football there's not even a generation of fans that have attended. Point is in the lifespan of football, they're nothing but a flavor of the month. You dont add a team because they 'could very well be a powerhouse' because if they arent then the entire league suffers. You add a team because it will boost the league.
Every team will have their ups and downs. The question is what happens to the fan base when Sou Fla has their downs? We will only find out once they get experience and we're not the rookie league to find it out.
 
#152
#152
GreveHaller said:
South Carolina has been playing football since 1892, all at the D1 level. They also played in the ACC as well as being independent before joining the SEC in 92. That's a world of difference between SC and Sou Florida "The team began playing in 1997, holding its first team meeting under a shade tree as the school had no proper football facilities on campus"

1892 vs 1997 is a lifetime of experience. We're not a developmental league, we're an established respected league.
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At the time South Carolina joined the SEC they had a below .500 all time record, were 0-8 in bowl games and have a history that even Kentucky football fans laugh at.
 
#153
#153
GreveHaller said:
You dont add a team because they 'could very well be a powerhouse' because if they arent then the entire league suffers. You add a team because it will boost the league.
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the league hasn't suffered with South Carolina, Vandy, Miss State and Kentucky... They're far from power houses... How many SEC title appearences are there between those teams? One, two?

And let's face it, the driver behind all of this expansion talk is money. Adding USF adds the Tampa market. Which would all but lock up the entire state of Florida, especially with Miami and FSU.

USF makes more sense, and has more upside to bringing them in then appears on the surface. Not saying it will happen, but it wouldn't be a complete shock to me if when it was all said and done they joined the SEC.
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#154
#154
Well I personally do not think USF will even be mentioned in the expansion talks except maybe to join the ACC when the Big East implodes....The SEC will go after bigger fish in the sea for sure....However saying USF is just a rookie football school is ridiculous, they have been around for 13 years now...Sounds to me like they are well established and they even have a win over an SEC school....Auburn
 
#155
#155
The idea of expansion could be good or bad for the SEC. I like how it is now, but would definitly take those four teams in to the conference
 
#156
#156
VOLnMiami said:
Well I personally do not think USF will even be mentioned in the expansion talks except maybe to join the ACC when the Big East implodes....The SEC will go after bigger fish in the sea for sure....However saying USF is just a rookie football school is ridiculous, they have been around for 13 years now...Sounds to me like they are well established and they even have a win over an SEC school....Auburn
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And Appy State has a win over Michigan as well as Wyoming having a win over the Vols. Doesnt make them an established school.

And no, 13 years of football isnt an established program. If that's the case Western Ky should be invited to the Big East or Big 10 because they've have much more than 13 years playing football.........even though they've only played D1 for 1.
 
#157
#157
Appy state is pretty established.....

All-time record 538–302–28*(.636)
Conference record 181–78–5*(.695)
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#158
#158
GreveHaller said:
And Appy State has a win over Michigan as well as Wyoming having a win over the Vols. Doesnt make them an established school.

And no, 13 years of football isnt an established program. If that's the case Western Ky should be invited to the Big East or Big 10 because they've have much more than 13 years playing football.........even though they've only played D1 for 1.
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Dude, Wyoming has been playing football since 1892 and Western Kentucky has been playing since 1908....Do you really have a clue what your talking about?....Just because they are small schools does not mean they aren't established.
 
#159
#159
Add Virginia Tech, NC State, Clemson and Florida State.

NC St while not a traditional power, is a state school that gets us into the NC market (and you aren't going to get UNC).

VT has a good program and gets the state of VA involved. Clemson doesn't expand TV power but they fit the SEC well, and FSU gives us just a plain quality football program.

It makes sence geography wise and culturally.

We could go
SEC East
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
Kentucky
Virginia Tech
NC St
Clemson
SEC West
Alabama
Auburn
MSU
Ole Miss
LSU
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Florida State

Thoughts?
 
#160
#160
VOLnMiami said:
Dude, Wyoming has been playing football since 1892 and Western Kentucky has been playing since 1908....Do you really have a clue what your talking about?....Just because they are small schools does not mean they aren't established.
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Do you? Because trying to reason that a Sou Fla should be in the SEC is beyond stupid. Our conference was founded many moons ago before the USF's were even thought of. There's alot of ADs and HFC that worked their tails off to make us the premiere conference in the nation and it wasnt by taking a chance on a fly by night programs. Respect is something that's earned, not handed out like Pokemon cards. USF hasnt earned it.....yet. Maybe in a few years. We add teams to the conference because they're worthy and will enhance the conference. USF does nothing. Its a roll of the dice - maybe it will work, maybe it wont. That's what struggling conferences do. We dont struggle. They need to grow up before their asked to sit at the adult table.
 
#161
#161
No one is really reasoning they SHOULD be in the SEC. However, people are reasoning why they make sense. Just as much if not more sense than S-Car, or Vandy.


Also, teams will be added, above any other reason, for what they can bring in as far as viewership and revenue. This is like anything else, it's being driven by the almighty dollar.

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#162
#162
Ericvol2096 said:
Add Virginia Tech, NC State, Clemson and Florida State.

NC St while not a traditional power, is a state school that gets us into the NC market (and you aren't going to get UNC).

VT has a good program and gets the state of VA involved. Clemson doesn't expand TV power but they fit the SEC well, and FSU gives us just a plain quality football program.

It makes sence geography wise and culturally.

We could go
SEC East
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
Kentucky
Virginia Tech
NC St
Clemson
SEC West
Alabama
Auburn
MSU
Ole Miss
LSU
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Florida State

Thoughts?
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I don't see Vandy moving to the West under any scenario b/c of the impact on their traditional rivalry with us. We already play Bama every year from the West.

Also, as far as balancing the divisions out, moving Vandy to the West would do a lot in a typical season to tip the balance of strength towards the East.
 
#163
#163
VOLnMiami said:
Well I personally do not think USF will even be mentioned in the expansion talks except maybe to join the ACC when the Big East implodes....The SEC will go after bigger fish in the sea for sure....However saying USF is just a rookie football school is ridiculous, they have been around for 13 years now...Sounds to me like they are well established and they even have a win over an SEC school....Auburn
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If their Football program was a person, it couldn't even buy cigarettes.
 
#164
#164
Clearly, the SEC is out of the picture to land Texas and A&M.

There's no chance that they come to the SEC.

At all.

Mike Slive was recently on a Dallas radio station, and categorically ruled out any possibility that the SEC would be willing to take those two - nor Tech - into the SEC. In fact, he even went so far as to say that the ability of league members to initiate - and enjoy alone - their own local TV deals would be wholly unappealing to anyone in Texas, as it wouldn't create any substantive revenue for them. Not that Texas doesn't want the ability to do this.


So, all of those hoping that the SEC can land Texas (et al) can just give up on this pipedream. It ain't happening. Clearly.

Here's a link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/texas/stories/052110dnsposeccommish.235cc2c0.html
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#165
#165
ok fine, look, I just don't see it happening

if it does, great. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

I'm glad we were at least able to clear up that I'm not trying to be poster boy for some odd fantasy about having Miami or FSU or ACC-whoever in the SEC
 
#167
#167
If the SEC doesn't land a big Texas, Oklahoma, or North Carolina team then we're going to lose ground to the other conferences in the expan$ion arms race.
 
#168
#168
Let's assume Nebraska/Mizzou to Big10 and Colorado/Texas/aTm/TT/Oklahoma/OSU to Pac10

If that happens, I think the SEC's list looks like this:
1. Miami
2. Florida State
3. UNC (though I doubt we ever offer b/c there'd be no interest on their part)
4. Virginia Tech
5. West Virginia
6. Clemson
7. Georgia Tech
8. Virginia
9. Louisville
10. South Florida
11. Memphis

I'm still trying to decide whether I think we'd have any interest in Kansas
 
#169
#169
I worry that Kansas might be a non-consideration b/c of how far the Florida and Carolina teams would have to travel for games and vice-versa.

Though I dont know if that consideration would be made for invites
 
#170
#170
Kansas and kentucky in the same basketball conference? I think Dicky V would have a stroke.
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#172
#172
Add 8 teams and have a 20 team league with four 5-team divisions...

Duke
UNC
Clemson
ATM
TX
Okie
Miami
FSU
 
#173
#173
TXVOL07 said:
Kansas and kentucky in the same basketball conference? I think Dicky V would have a stroke.
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Please, Dicky V's body won't go out unless Duke and UNC decided to stop playing basketball (...maybe if they were in different conferences and didn't play each other)
 
#174
#174
That list seems about right to me. And since we already have the marquee team in Florida, it's hard for me to get excited about how it would grow the conference.

sammyjoey said:
If that happens, I think the SEC's list looks like this:
1. Miami
2. Florida State
3. UNC (though I doubt we ever offer b/c there'd be no interest on their part)
4. Virginia Tech
5. West Virginia
6. Clemson
7. Georgia Tech
8. Virginia
9. Louisville
10. South Florida
11. Memphis
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#175
#175
Seems to me like some SEC fans ought to be feeling the pressure here, with all of this talk.

Some nice programs that could be added in (FSU, Miami, WVU, VaTech) but not a whole lot that would necessarily increase the conference's footprint.

The Pac-10, on the other hand, could possibly have recruiting footholds on lockdown in Texas AND Southern California.
 
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