SEC Expansion?

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I've been thinking for some time....with the ACC getting such good teams like Miami and VA Tech.......would the SEC be interested in maybe bolstering their conference? I think the ACC one day could match us in terms of quality teams in their conference? I've already heard the ACC is better than the SEC stuff and im already sick of it.....What im trying to get at is.......do yall think we should expand and would the SEC do it?
 
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There will be no expansion in the near future. 10 or 15 years from now maybe but right now there is no teams that would make sense.
 
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All you have to do is get the other teams in the SEC up to par. It is already one of the toughest if not the toughest. Imagine what it could be if the weaker teams in the conference were all really good.
 
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If Vandy and UK and Bama(hehehe I love saying that) would all suck it up and get on the ball with their programs they wouldn't be at the bottom of their divisions....LOL...I mean if Vandy's standards for academics weren't so high they'd be decent and if UK would just get a good coach they wouldn't be bad because they don't have talent in their football program they just need a coach
 
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The ACC is starting to look very good. Georgia Tech is on the way up, plus you have F$U, Miami, Virginia Tech and a suprise power team or two every year.

I think the Pac-10 needs an expansion and championship game the most. We'll take... Fresno State, the Giant-Killers as I like to call them, and Boise State if they can keep up their domination in the WAC.
 
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Georgia Tech - the truth of the matter is they will be decent 2 out of every 10 years.
 
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Originally posted by TNVOLS1@Jan 29, 2005 3:07 AM
Georgia Tech - the truth of the matter is they will be decent 2 out of every 10 years.
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That's basically why Georgia Tech left the SEC and then finally decided to join the ACC. Couldn't compete in SEC anymore due to tough academic standards and thought ACC would be a good fit with Duke and Wake Forest having similar programs. Now the ACC is beginning to look more like the SEC.
 
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The ACC has two top schools in football Miami and FSU. VT had a good year but isn't a top program in my opinion. but even if they are that is three good teams. The SEC has TN, GA, FL, LSU, Auburn that are consistently top schools in recent history, AL is down for now. Thus, the ACC is not better than the SEC.
 
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On the point of dropping Vandy for someone else.....HECK NO!!! Why in the heck would we want to drop an SEC East team that we beat almost every year for a team that is tougher. The SECE is tough enough as it is IMO.
 
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Really! ACC may be strengthening their financial position by having 12 teams and a conference championship game, but its still VTs, Miamis or FSUs conference. FSU is the only ACC team that has challenged for a MNC.

Before I hear the Miami and VT arguements, remember they challenged while members of the Big Least. VT won the ACC this past season, but they were no where near challenging for the national championship.

GT? The USC of the ATlantic Coast Conference. ALways potential, but never really going to challenge the big 3

All of the others are fly by night teams.
 
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I think you've got to throw Virginia and NC State in there as well. If Ga Tech can get over the hump, the ACC could end up with 5-6 teams in the top 25 next year.
 
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Depends, if Virginia can get over that loss to Fresno State. Wasn't NC State supposed to be good this last season?

Miami and VTech had nationl championship runs when they were part of the Big Least, but as far as I can remember, that's back when it was at least a decent conference.

I didn't say the ACC was better than the SEC, just that the ACC will start to be strong. This next year, if they turn out five or six teams that are ranked, though, I think it will be another Big XII South debacle. Looks like they're really strong, when it just turns out flukey and all their teams get blown out in bowl games.
 
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This is a little 15 year study I did to compare the Pac 10 conference to the SEC.

Admittedly, the Pac 10 does not compare as favorably as the Big 12 or Big 10, but the SEC would still poll similar numbers. The first section shows teams that have won or shared a NC during the study.

Top to bottom, there's still not a tougher conference than the SEC, and that's including Vandy and Kentucky. When you consider that every other team was ranked in the top 25 at least twice during the study, that's 10 of 12 teams that were top 25 material 71 times during the study. Phenomenal!

But the true picture of strength is that for the 15 year study the SEC had 4 teams win or share a NC and that doesn't count the fact that Auburn was denied that opportunity this year, so it could have been 5.


Pac 10 1991 WA* 2003 USC* 2004 USC
Big 10 1997 Michigan 2002 Ohio St.
Big 12 1990 CO 1994-95 Nebraska 1997 Nebraska* 2000 Oklahoma
Big East 1991 Miami 2001 Miami
ACC 1990 Ga Tech* 1993 Fl St 1999 Fl St.
SEC 1992 Alabama 1996 Florida 1998 Tennessee 2003* LSU

YouÂ’ll note: The Pac 10 has had 2 different teams win or share a National Championship

The Big 10 has had 2 different teams win a National Championship

The Big 12 has had 3 different teams win or share a National Championship

The Big East had 1 team win a National Championship

The ACC had 2 different teams win or share a National Championship

The SEC had 4 different teams win or share a National Championship

Also, when comparing the Pac 10 to the SEC as it relates to the AP final polls since 1990 this is how the two conferences compare.


During the 15 year study:

Of the 10 teams in the Pac 10 all were ranked at least once, but the percentage of teams ranked annually is 40.7% or 41 total rankings

Of the 12 teams in the SEC 10 of the 12 teams were ranked at least twice with an annual percentage of all teams ranked annually being .59.1% or 71 total rankings

USC, WA., and WA. St. were ranked at least 6 times during the 15 year study, representing the strongest teams in the Pac 10 for the study.

UT and FL were each ranked 13 of the 15 years in the study. Alabama, Auburn, FL, Georgia, and Tennessee were ranked at least 8 years each during the 15 year study.
 
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I also bring in the proportion of conference size. Pac-10 obviously has fewer teams that will do well. By your statistics, the Pac has four teams ranked anually while the SEC has seven.

So it may just be that the SEC is that strong, if the Pac-10 looks as close to the Big Ten and Big XII as it does. And I never said the SEC wasn't strong, but the Pac-10 is not weak either.

Good study, OldVol. Good stuff.
 
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The SEC is the best conference in this country. Every conference has a good team or two and each year one or two will have good years, even back-to-back sometimes.

The SEC has Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Florida having "Good" or "Better Than Good" years year-in and year-out. When Alabama (I hate to say this!) gets their act together again, you can add them into the mix.

No other conference has to deal with that many better-then-average teams every year.

My goodness, look at the Pacifier 10. What a laugher for the most part. If the SEC were as week as the PAC(ifier) 10, we could look forward to at least playing for the NC every other year if not more often.

As for the ACC, everybody keeps yappin' about how good it is. I disagree. With two or three exceptions, most of the decent ACC teams live those 7-4, 8-3, or maybe 9-2 lives year after year.

And that happens when they don't even have the tougher schedules like the SEC.

Say what you want, the ACC has a pretty good way to go before they can even start to hint about challenging the SEC for "best conference".

I say SEC, Big XII, Big TEN(Can't they count?). ACC, Pac 10, Big Least, WAC.

Just my considered opinion. Which, in this case, I think is pretty darn good!
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jan 29, 2005 12:53 PM
I also bring in the proportion of conference size. Pac-10 obviously has fewer teams that will do well. By your statistics, the Pac has four teams ranked anually while the SEC has seven.

So it may just be that the SEC is that strong, if the Pac-10 looks as close to the Big Ten and Big XII as it does. And I never said the SEC wasn't strong, but the Pac-10 is not weak either.

Good study, OldVol. Good stuff.
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That's why I tried to point out some of the numbers in percentage. That takes care of the difference in the conference size.

The biggest factor when considering the strengths is the large number of times the SEC's top half appears in the rankings so many years.

When I get the time I may look at some more numbers. I've posted stats before, on other boards, and the usual mantra from the Pac 10 apologists is; the SEC plays weak OOC, the SEC gets favored by the media (that's a joke, but I'm serious, some use it as an apology for other conferences; when you look at FSU, Miami, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan and OSU from the Big 10, it's really a joke that people say the SEC gets favored. There's not a single team in the conference that gets the kind of exposure these other teams get e.g., market size, Eastern press favorites etc.).

When you take the final AP polls, the best source for analyzing at least the top halves of the conferences, no conference can compare over a long period.

There are single season anomalies, but they are certainly anomalies.
 
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There's something to be said from consistent strength, but I believe the only one that matters is the strength from season to season.

Just as an extended study, you suppose you could come up with SEC bowl records over the last, say, 20 years? I don't like to rest any arguement heavily on OOC schedules, but if strength does not transfer into bowl games, the arguement goes worthless.

And I have not heard this on here, but I suspect there are some people that may think this, the idea that the Pac-10 should follow the Big East's trail into the mid-majors is absolutely insane. You can argue conference strength till the cows come home, but an absolute incontravertible fact is that the Pac-10 will produce numerous national contenders year in and year out.
 
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Using bowls game to even equate to conference strength is ludricus. You don't know what a teams approach is , with a month off you don't know how a team will play and some teams can play way over their heads and win when everyone knows it was a 1 in a millon shot.

Is the Pac-10 better than the big east yes but they are weaker than the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Big 12
 
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How is using bowl strength ludacris? I'm not saying the SEC may be weak BECAUSE of a weak OOC schedule, but without how they do in a bowl game, there is no way to prove it.
 
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reread what I stated, you also have teams like the '02 & '03 teams who had Seniors looking more for a paycheck in the pros than playing a ballgame for their school. Also look at the matchups it could be the SEC #5 team playing the Big Ten #3 team.
 
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If we are as strong a conference as most of believe we are, then I would certainly expect our #5 to be an even match to any other conference's #3. I think post season records should be factored in to over all conference strength.
 
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:rlol:

You guys made my monday with the subtle Bama-bashing earlier in the thread. If you had told me 10-15 years ago that they'd no longer be considered as part of the "upper eschelon" of the SEC, I'd have laughed at you and called you crazy. But, let me tell you now, I LOVE IT!!!

:machinegun: :elephant:
 
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Originally posted by biglon68+Jan 29, 2005 4:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (biglon68 @ Jan 29, 2005 4:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TNVOLS1@Jan 29, 2005 3:07 AM
Georgia Tech - the truth of the matter is they will be decent 2 out of every 10 years.
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That&#39;s basically why Georgia Tech left the SEC and then finally decided to join the ACC. Couldn&#39;t compete in SEC anymore due to tough academic standards and thought ACC would be a good fit with Duke and Wake Forest having similar programs. Now the ACC is beginning to look more like the SEC. [/quote]
:) Don&#39;t won&#39;t to disagree on Ga Tech, but the sole reason the Yellow Jackets pulled out of the SEC was over the SS issue. Coach Dodd wanted the same number of SS that the Southwest Conference was granting - 45 - because GT was losing more guys to academics than any other SEC school. When the SEC refused to increase the limit from 40 to 45 per year then GT pulled out. BTW, GT was one of the dominant teams in the SEC in all sports at the time they left the SEC. Once GT left the SEC their sports program began a downward slide. Had Tech remained in the SEC they would have continued to have been a force to be reckoned with.
 
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