SEC Expansion?

#26
#26
Milohimself,

While the Pac 10 has produced some very good teams over the course of the study, there is one staggering statistic that goes a long ways towards telling the strength of the conference.

That is; for a 3 yar period, the conference didn't have a single team ranked above # 9. That's a telling statistic.

As for their competing for a national championship year in and year out, that's not exactly true either. They did have a good number of top 5 finishers (That's what I'd consider the cut-off for a team that had a shot at the NC) but only one year out of the 15 did they have 2 teams finish in the top 5 whereas the SEC had two top 5 teams 4 years of the study.

I've captured the Excel file so you guys can see it. I highlighted the top 5 finishes.

As for comparing bowl teams, I think it's difficult because of a large number of factors.

For example, pairing one conferences #5 to another's #3 is not a fair comparison if you're talking about one of the top 3 conferences (SEC Big12 Big10). Now, if you're talking about pairing the Pac 10s #3 or the ACC's #3 (before expansion) then that would compare favorably to the other top 3 conferences.

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#27
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Originally posted by GVF@Jan 31, 2005 9:12 AM
If we are as strong a conference as most of believe we are, then I would certainly expect our #5 to be an even match to any other conference's #3. I think post season records should be factored in to over all conference strength.
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For over 20 years post-season play has been factored in to the final AP polls, so post-season play is automatically factored into the polls.
 
#28
#28
did ya see who was makin us look bad? Vandy and Kentucky......I believe in Kentucky because their a good recruiting coach away from being a decent team......we cant move them out of the SEC ever because of basketball......i wouldnt want to anyway....vandy is a solid b-ball team but a terrible football team......(easier to load up a team of 12 players than 100) but i think vandy could leave and maybe pick up another team i dunno who though
 
#29
#29
Vandy is going nowhere, they make too much money off of money sharing from bowls and their academic standards help the rest of the SEC look good as a whole
 
#30
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Originally posted by TNFanBornandRaised@Jan 31, 2005 12:02 PM
did ya see who was makin us look bad? Vandy and Kentucky......I believe in Kentucky because their a good recruiting coach away from being a decent team......we cant move them out of the SEC ever because of basketball......i wouldnt want to anyway....vandy is a solid b-ball team but a terrible football team......(easier to load up a team of 12 players than 100) but i think vandy could leave and maybe pick up another team i dunno who though
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They're the only argument we have going for us when other teams accuse us of not being intellecutally elite. :D

In all honesty, I think they should have withdrawn a long time ago. But; just like everyone else in this old, cruel world, Vandy likes the $$$$ they suck from the necks of the PRODUCING teams in our conference. You'll note in the study that even Ole Miss and Miss. St. contributed a total of 9 national rankings, and by extension, bowl revenue during the 15 year period.

Kentucky has had a bad dry spell, but I'm with you on keeping them in, they could produce in football with a few breaks.

Vandy on the other hand, they're like a poor cousin at thanksgiving dinner, they're there for the meal and the meal only. When it comes time for the SEC to divvy up the proceedes for the year, guess who has their hand out while never contributing very much on the positive side.

The money-makers in college athletics are football and basketball, with football bearing the lion's share.

Vandy is like a parasite when it comes to that side of the ledger.
 
#31
#31
"Vandy is like a parasite when it comes to that side of the ledger"

and I thought the sucking sound coming from Nashville was coming from all the politicians!
 
#32
#32
Originally posted by volmanjr@Jan 31, 2005 12:20 PM
Vandy is going nowhere, they make too much money off of money sharing from bowls and their academic standards help the rest of the SEC look good as a whole
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YIKES!!

This was strange.

You read my mind. I’m going to go get the tin foil to cover my head and keep the brain waves from escaping. :p
 
#33
#33
Originally posted by volmanjr@Jan 31, 2005 12:24 PM
"Vandy is like a parasite when it comes to that side of the ledger"

and I thought the sucking sound coming from Nashville was coming from all the politicians!
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You can't enjoy a meal at the Lowe's Plaza for the breeze coming off West End. :D
 
#34
#34
"You read my mind. I’m going to go get the tin foil to cover my head and keep the brain waves from escaping"..... as I've said before the powers of the ninja are mysterious and wonderful
 
#35
#35
Good chart, OldVol. I noticed that Florida adds a lot to that chart, as does Bama in the early to mid nineties. But those days are gone. It seems to me as if the SEC is starting to experience a power shift towards Tennessee in the east, much like USC is running the Pac-10.

However, in the Pac-10, Oregon State is starting to build their program into a very good one. I think, depending on how Mike Riley gets things done, you could even see a streak of top 25 rankings from them. Arizona State is starting to attract huge talent, as well. Jeff Tedford is also starting to steady out the program at Cal, which will be strong within the next few seasons. Then, of course, USC.

So, with Pac-10 schools that have been poor performers before pulling their business together, and with SEC schools either falling apart (Alabama) and other schools looking like they could hold monopolies on their division (Tennessee), things should be interesting. If Les Miles does well at LSU, he could very well hold a monopoly on the west.
 
#36
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Originally posted by milohimself@Jan 31, 2005 1:59 PM
Good chart, OldVol. I noticed that Florida adds a lot to that chart, as does Bama in the early to mid nineties. But those days are gone. It seems to me as if the SEC is starting to experience a power shift towards Tennessee in the east, much like USC is running the Pac-10.

However, in the Pac-10, Oregon State is starting to build their program into a very good one. I think, depending on how Mike Riley gets things done, you could even see a streak of top 25 rankings from them. Arizona State is starting to attract huge talent, as well. Jeff Tedford is also starting to steady out the program at Cal, which will be strong within the next few seasons. Then, of course, USC.

So, with Pac-10 schools that have been poor performers before pulling their business together, and with SEC schools either falling apart (Alabama) and other schools looking like they could hold monopolies on their division (Tennessee), things should be interesting. If Les Miles does well at LSU, he could very well hold a monopoly on the west.
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Over the past 15 seasons Florida has really been the strongest team overall. They had 6 top 5 finishes to our 3.

The fact that both Florida and UT had a top 25 finish in 13 of the 15 years is astounding. I don't know of many who compare during that same period. Some that come to mind would be FSU and Michigan. Miami had the probation which dinged them pretty good for a few years.

When you look at the strength of UF and UT it sure does show that the bulk of the SEC elites have been in the East.
 
#37
#37
I have a feeling that Tennessee is about to embark on a stranglehold over the SEC, much like Spurrier's Gators had in the mid-nineties.
 
#39
#39
This arguement of conference strength got out of hand. It's just conference rivalry, is all, and I happen to be a Pac-10 supporter on the board of a team whose conference's fans are more opposed to west coast football than any other fanbase in the country. My arguement simply boils down to, the Pac-10 and its teams can compete on the field with any other conference in the country. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
#40
#40
Originally posted by milohimself@Jan 31, 2005 3:11 PM
This arguement of conference strength got out of hand. It's just conference rivalry, is all, and I happen to be a Pac-10 supporter on the board of a team whose conference's fans are more opposed to west coast football than any other fanbase in the country. My arguement simply boils down to, the Pac-10 and its teams can compete on the field with any other conference in the country. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I agree.

On any given Saturday even Vandy and Stanford can compete.

I originally did the study as a rebuttal to an over-the-top Pac 10 fan on another board.

While any study you do will generally give the SEC the nod with just about any study you present, there are always ways of presenting data that can prove the point you're attempting to prove.

I do believe the final polls are the best indicator of conference strengths. Now, if you're attempting to determine who has the toughest bottom half, that does present a problem. There's usually too few head-to-head games to prove much. I think overall win/loss totals for the bottom halves can prove insightful.

The Pac 10 has nothing for to be ashamed. I really don't see where the thread got out of hand though. Off topic, yep, but not out of hand.
 
#41
#41
lol my hatred comes not from a west coast bias lol but from a conference that is constantly overrated and has noone in it of not outside of 1 or 2 teams in a given year.....usc if anyone remembers was down most of the late 90's im not sure about before that........final word: Overrated conference period
 
#42
#42
USC hit a slump in the nineties, but is traditionally a powerful team. Every good team has slumps. The only truly terrible Pac-10 team I can think of this last season was Washington. Even Wazzu and Stanford could put out a decent game.
 
#43
#43
And I didn't say that this thread got out of hand, but I have seen some arguements that are no better than "SEC ROOLZ CRAP 10 SUX" sans-spelling errors. Mostly on other boards, but this board can sometimes lean that way.
 
#44
#44
On any given day, a PAC 10 team could compete in the SEC, but they would not make it through a whole season of the SEC, plain and simple.
 
#45
#45
Maybe, maybe not. Each conference plays differently and each team molds their playing style in order to compete within their own conference. There's really no way to prove who is better.
 
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