SEC not the most powerful...

#76
#76
njuneardave said:
good point, but...
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That OOC schedule included 2 major conference champions teams, 5 teams that finished 2nd in BCS conferences, a 10 win mid-major, Florida St, and 2 other teams from the pac-10. If you add in Central Michigan and Southern Miss, there are at least 12 bowl teams, with 4 in the BCS.

You stated that the SEC should schedule better opponents; I'm not sure what you want them to do. Not everyone can play USC every year.
 
#77
#77
cotton said:
That OOC schedule included 2 major conference champions teams, 5 teams that finished 2nd in BCS conferences, a 10 win mid-major, Florida St, and 2 other teams from the pac-10. If you add in Central Michigan and Southern Miss, there are at least 12 bowl teams, with 4 in the BCS.

You stated that the SEC should schedule better opponents; I'm not sure what you want them to do. Not everyone can play USC every year.
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let's not kid ourselves here cotton. one major conference winner was wake forest. wake forest. noone is going to respect a wake forest win. everyone knows that the ACC is the joke of the nation this year. Conference champ or not, people don't consider Wake a great team .... besides, they destroyed Ole Miss 27-3. That is a NEGATIVE for the SEC.

Arkansas got blasted by USC by 36 points. That is another NEGATIVE for the SEC.

Georgia beat Ga. Tech... do you know of any pundits who really consider this a great feat? I'm sorry, but a Ga. Tech win just isn't that impressive. however, it is one of the MORE impressive OOC wins this year, sadly.

Like I said about Cal, the win looked good for the SEC. There's one argument point that we have.

beating a Mid-Major is a lose-lose situation. If you win, you were supposed to. if you lose, you shouldve never lost, and you will be featured in "this week's biggest upsets" column. Alabama beating Hawaii? It's a small argument for SEC supremacy... i would buy it, but with a grain of salt.

I will NEVER EVER argue that Southern Miss or Central Michigan is a good win -- that's just biased and naive. You can cancel that point right now. If you truly believe this, please let me sell you a wonderful piece of land in Antarctica.

Everyone knows FSU is a joke... I won't even talk about all of our losses to OOC opponents (no matter how good the opponents were... like WVU), because it's all material that would be used against the SEC.



Bottom Line: if we want to argue that the SEC is the best, we need to schedule better opponents AND BEAT THEM. Maybe I should've clarified this initially, but I thought that beating teams was understood if you wanted to discuss supremacy. So there you have it. You look at what we have done against OOC opponents, and it just isn't as impressive as we would all like to believe.
 
#79
#79
njuneardave said:
everyone else knows that the SEC is the toughest conference. I will NEVER root for florida to win b/c it "makes the SEC look better". I cant stand florida, and i could care less about them. i could honestly care less what people say about the SEC, because first, and foremost, there is UT. just b/c the SEC is voted by some guy's computer as the "2nd best" conference doesn't mean that it devalues the vols in any way. i root for the best for the vols, and if we want to beat florida, we need for them to start faltering so that they cant rack up on recruits, further increasing the talent gap.

UT is so much more important to me, as a fan, than the SEC. Let people say what they want about the conference, i just want the best for UT. and the best for us is to have UF get waxed.
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I'm curious.... How is it good for UT to have Florida get "waxed" in the title game? What is the positive to that for UT?
 
#81
#81
njuneardave said:
let's not kid ourselves here cotton. one major conference winner was wake forest. wake forest. noone is going to respect a wake forest win. everyone knows that the ACC is the joke of the nation this year. Conference champ or not, people don't consider Wake a great team .... besides, they destroyed Ole Miss 27-3. That is a NEGATIVE for the SEC.

Arkansas got blasted by USC by 36 points. That is another NEGATIVE for the SEC.

Georgia beat Ga. Tech... do you know of any pundits who really consider this a great feat? I'm sorry, but a Ga. Tech win just isn't that impressive. however, it is one of the MORE impressive OOC wins this year, sadly.

Like I said about Cal, the win looked good for the SEC. There's one argument point that we have.

beating a Mid-Major is a lose-lose situation. If you win, you were supposed to. if you lose, you shouldve never lost, and you will be featured in "this week's biggest upsets" column. Alabama beating Hawaii? It's a small argument for SEC supremacy... i would buy it, but with a grain of salt.

I will NEVER EVER argue that Southern Miss or Central Michigan is a good win -- that's just biased and naive. You can cancel that point right now. If you truly believe this, please let me sell you a wonderful piece of land in Antarctica.

Everyone knows FSU is a joke... I won't even talk about all of our losses to OOC opponents (no matter how good the opponents were... like WVU), because it's all material that would be used against the SEC.



Bottom Line: if we want to argue that the SEC is the best, we need to schedule better opponents AND BEAT THEM. Maybe I should've clarified this initially, but I thought that beating teams was understood if you wanted to discuss supremacy. So there you have it. You look at what we have done against OOC opponents, and it just isn't as impressive as we would all like to believe.
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That's about 5 times total in this thread you have hailed UT's win over Cal as the single meaningful OOC victory for an SEC team all year, and about the 5th time as well you say that the Florida win over FSU is meaningless because FSU isn't good this year.

You noted above, and I parahrpase, "Sure, it was a rivalry game but ...." Here's an idea. Go ask the USC Trojans about a "rivalry game but..."
 
#82
#82
njuneardave said:
Ole Miss played Wake. Wake sucks. the ACC sucks. Everyone still knows Wake is overrated. After they lose to Louisville, they will drop out of the top 20. Ole Miss still got waxed. -0 SEC

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in this world of "prove it on the feild" mentality, i think Wake has done their part.

as to everyone knows Wake is overrated....i suggest asking BC, GT, FSU, Ole Miss etc...on their opinion on the matter.

and keep in mind...knowing that FSU is down, Wake blanked them in Tallahassee. quite the accomplishment for a team like Wake which hasn't sniffed a W against those guys....EVER.

the rest of the schedule comparisons....whatever. You are really going to give L'ville and Michigan credit for beating KY and VAndy? then you should give great credance to Auburn and LSU's victories over AZ and Wazzou. Same with WVU and MSU....WVU doesn't get any more credit for scheduling MSU than UGA does for scheduling Colorado.

these schedule comparisons are really ridiculous in the end, the vast majority of these OOC games are scheduled so far in advance, you have no idea how you or the opponent are really going to be...

i can assure you, when L'ville scheduled MIami, they thought they'd be getting a premeir OOC matchup...in their place. Just like when TN scheduled Cal, they probably thought they'd be getting a bottom tier to middle of the road Pac 10 team...

if you want to knock a schedule...fine, i'm with you...scheduling Buffalo or Western Carolina or the Citadell etc...is inexcusable and should not be overlooked...but i'm not going to base the SEC OOC schedule, good or bad, because Vandy Lost to Michigan, KY lost to L'ville and MSU lost to WVU.

in the end, was there any OOC game that any SEC team played that lost a game they were supposed to win? NO. Each team that lost an OOC game was either in the bottom half of the SEC and not very good that lost to worse teams than the OOC opponent they played(ala Vandy, KY, MSU) or played a Top tier team that would beat just about anyone they played at a similar level to that of the opponent(ala Michigan, L'ville, WVU, USC).

So in the end, what does all that prove? nothing really. And fortunately for the SEC, this conference is deep enough, that we don't really have to go that far to find a top 15 or 20 team to play. Each week there are great matchups in this conference. Some of the other conferences have to schedule strong OOC games to garner that respect...the SEC doesn't necessarily. they can lose it though by scheduling 1aa teams, that i agree with. but i can't fault florida for playing UCF and USM when they also had games against LSU, Auburn, alabama, TN, FSU and Georgia to play in conference/annual rivalry, anymore than i can fault USC for having to play AZ st, Stanford, AZ, Wazzou, Washington in conference. they made up for that with their non conf. schedule. Fl made up for their ooc with their conf. schedule...
 
#85
#85
GAVol said:
Uhhh . . . it would make me smile? :p
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I see some inconsistency in that wish for all the people above complaining that the SEC hasn't beaten enough OOC quality opponents.

Seems to me that if you want the SEC to prove its mettle, then you root for SEC teams in non-conference games --- Even if it means them lording over you being national champs in football and basketball at the same time.

And trust me, we will.
 
#87
#87
lawgator1 said:
I see some inconsistency in that wish for all the people above complaining that the SEC hasn't beaten enough OOC quality opponents.

Seems to me that if you want the SEC to prove its mettle, then you root for SEC teams in non-conference games --- Even if it means them lording over you being national champs in football and basketball at the same time.

And trust me, we will.
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i don't care about the SEC in that regard. I care about Tennessee and I care about hating Alabama and then Florida (notre dame tops overall though). So i will not root for the gators and a waxing by the buckeyes will definitley put a smile on my face.
 
#88
#88
finevol said:
Its not good for us at all. It would devalue our 1 point loss and make the SEC look weak.
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now, i'll probably be rooting for FL in the end...only because, losing to the big 10 sucks, and i just don't like OSU...but i digress...

how exactly does a loss get devalued??? we did lose...if we're placing values on losses now....wow.

moral victory maybe? :whistling:

the SEC won't look weak for losing a national championship game to the consensus #1 team in the country from start to finish. Say FL wins, but every other SEC team loses it's bowl game...are still the MIGHTY SEC? NO.

Same applies...if we go 8-1 in bowls and the only loss is to the no. 1 team in the nation....i think we'll survive as a conference.
 
#89
#89
lawgator1 said:
I see some inconsistency in that wish for all the people above complaining that the SEC hasn't beaten enough OOC quality opponents.

Seems to me that if you want the SEC to prove its mettle, then you root for SEC teams in non-conference games --- Even if it means them lording over you being national champs in football and basketball at the same time.

And trust me, we will.
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Some people here would like to see Florida win one for the SEC.

Others here would just like to see Florida get creamed anyways (me).

And others are overcoming their hatred of Florida to root for the SEC, and others are overcoming their devotion to the SEC because they don't want Florida to win nat'l champs of football and basketball in one year.
 
#90
#90
milohimself said:
Some people here would like to see Florida win one for the SEC.

Others here would just like to see Florida get creamed anyways (me).

And others are overcoming their hatred of Florida to root for the SEC, and others are overcoming their devotion to the SEC because they don't want Florida to win nat'l champs of football and basketball in one year.
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Fine reporting Milo. Way to take a stand there bud...
 
#93
#93
BigOrangeNation1 said:
This is just ridiculous. No way the Pac-10, maybe the Big Ten but nothing else.
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You're kidding right? This was the worst Big 10 year in a very very long time. They had OSU and Michigan who are incredible. Wisconsin and Penn State are solid. Purdue is ....... barely average. The rest, the other 6 teams were pathetic.

This was the best Pac 10 in the last 10 years.

Your post is proof that some people who talk about college football don't actually research anything in college football.
 
#94
#94
volfanbill said:
i don't care about the SEC in that regard. I care about Tennessee and I care about hating Alabama and then Florida (notre dame tops overall though). So i will not root for the gators and a waxing by the buckeyes will definitley put a smile on my face.
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Well, at least you are honest. Short-sighted and pointlessly vindictive, but honest.


milohimself said:
Some people here would like to see Florida win one for the SEC.

Others here would just like to see Florida get creamed anyways (me).

And others are overcoming their hatred of Florida to root for the SEC, and others are overcoming their devotion to the SEC because they don't want Florida to win nat'l champs of football and basketball in one year.
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I just don't get the middle group. It makes no sense to me to root against a team that, if it wins, gives you a little pump to your own rep heading into next year.

Not that yours or my own rooting for or against Florida will make any difference. Still, hard for me to fathom why you would not want an SEC team to win a game that cannot possibly hurt you.
 
#95
#95
I'm starting to wonder why fans get so caught up in which conference is viewed as the best? I know I got caught up in it for awhile, but I don't why I did. Any help?
 
#96
#96
Also, wins over Houston, BYU, Central Michigan, S. Miss, Ohio, Hawaii are all more impressive this season than ever.
 
#97
#97
lawgator1 said:
That's about 5 times total in this thread you have hailed UT's win over Cal as the single meaningful OOC victory for an SEC team all year, and about the 5th time as well you say that the Florida win over FSU is meaningless because FSU isn't good this year.

You noted above, and I paraphrase, "Sure, it was a rivalry game but ...." Here's an idea. Go ask the USC Trojans about a "rivalry game but..."
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let's see... ask any analyst and pundit which win was more impressive. herein lies your answer. Maybe it's because UT looked incredible against a tough opponent and Florida "hung on" against FSU? FSU lost to NC State. I live in Florida... I am surrounded by UF fans... i even watched the game with UF fans. So, don't even try to argue that you guys had a comfortable win. they were all letting out collective sighs of relief after the game was over. i think you, sir, and your other biased gator friends, are the only people that would argue that UF's win over FSU was more impressive.


and, if you guys honestly don't think that recruiting peaks for teams that win a NC, you are wrong. Kids want to be a part of the next big thing... and you can't get any bigger than winning a NC. Urban would flash his ring all over the south in direct competition with the talent that we are fighting for. Success almost always translates into great recruiting.... and failure.... well look at UT's class last year in respect to their on-field performance.

i don't really even want to argue about Wake... they beat up on Ole Miss. In no way does this look good for the SEC. I still think they are overrated, and they will get romped by Louisville. What is the line for this game BTW?

i agree that teams schedule years in advance and have no way of knowing how good the teams will be, but i am not going to blindly argue that we are in the best conference b/c our in-conference teams are so good. in my mind, the SEC claims to be some great conference because of all the tough in-conference games.... but a bunch of teams beating up on each other doesn't prove anything if they never beat anyone OOC that is decent. That's like the Big East saying they are the best conference b/c they have Rutgers, Lousivile, and WVU... but everyone will argue that outside of each other, they have played noone good. This case applies to the SEC as well. Yeah, the SEC teams didn't win any games that they were supposed to lose, yet they won all the games they were supposed to win.... that doesn't tell me anything about the conference except that people have us pegged for what we truly are.


and i agree with jake about not wanting a moral victory. noone expects florida to win except florida fans. losing to ohio state and their media king, smith, won't look bad since OSU is supposed to win. if florida wins, sure it makes the SEC look good, but then tennessee begins to become a footnote to "the best team in the land". i don't see any positives out of losing to florida.
 
#98
#98
I think year in and year out the SEC is the most competitive from top to bottom. But I don't always think it is the most powerful conference year in and year out. It seems that a lot of the top talent is now going to Californ I A, and who could blame them.
 
#99
#99
VolinArizona said:
I'm starting to wonder why fans get so caught up in which conference is viewed as the best? I know I got caught up in it for awhile, but I don't why I did. Any help?
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regional pride. going back in time, in the south there was no pro sports to speak of...the rest of the country had pro sports of some sort to hold on to and hold dear, whether it was the Yankees, Bears, Packers etc, etc, etc,....then to boot, in college football the midwest was a dominant factor...ND, Mich, OSU, OK, Neb...etc.

the south was always relegated to the backseat.

then with the assention of programs like Alabama specifically (Tennessee to some extent prior to Bama's dominant period), it was kind of a sens fo "finally" we in the South had something and we seemed to do it better than anything else. SO people embraced it and made it in to what it is today.

Times are diffenent now...obviously, but the roots of conference pride, especially in the South, imo, are based off a big 'ol chip on our shoulder...and it's just been passed down generation to generation...

so, if you were raised in the south, and grew up a fan of a team in the SEC, there's a very good chance you have a great deal of pride for it and realisitically would have no idea why.

jmo.:thumbsup:
 
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