SEC Standings

[fryeguy93]

 

[vol66]

When you lay it out like that, it looks worse somehow, lol

 

[Cyclopskiller]

Fml.

 

[VolBuck86]

Darn.

Vandy beat USC east 5-2 today, clinching the series and apparently winning the SEC Eastern Division in the process. :banghead2:

 

[SDV]

I don't follow our baseball, but is Serrano doing a bad job or does he just not have a lot to work with?

 

[VolBuck86]

I don't follow our baseball, but is Serrano doing a bad job or does he just not have a lot to work with?

I'm honestly not too familiar with the overall history of the program outside of reading the page on wikipedia, but from my understanding Serrano's predecessor, coach Raleigh, supposedly did quite a bit of damage to the team before he left, and I've not heard much good about the guy before Raleigh either.

Sort of a similar situation with Kiffin and Dooley with the football team.

 

[vol2013]

I'm honestly not too familiar with the overall history of the program outside of reading the page on wikipedia, but from my understanding Serrano's predecessor, coach Raleigh, supposedly did quite a bit of damage to the team before he left, and I've not heard much good about the guy before Raleigh either.

Sort of a similar situation with Kiffin and Dooley with the football team.

It was no doubt Delmonico's time to go, but a coach with 699 wins, 3 college world series appearances, and a couple of SEC titles should not be mentioned anywhere near Kiffin
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[VolsSportsFan]

It was no doubt Delmonico's time to go, but a coach with 699 wins, 3 college world series appearances, and a couple of SEC titles should not be mentioned anywhere near Kiffin
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He wasn't comparing Delmonico to Kiffin, just the situation. It is somewhat similiar, if you consider Delmonico = Fulmer. However in the baseball scenario, there is no Kiffin because Raleigh = Dooley.

 

[FGT]

He wasn't comparing Delmonico to Kiffin, just the situation. It is somewhat similiar, if you consider Delmonico = Fulmer. However in the baseball scenario, there is no Kiffin because Raleigh = Dooley.

I would not even compare Dooley to Raleigh. Dooley was certainly a mess but Raleigh is probably the worst hire an SEC baseball program made in the last twenty years. Hamilton had plenty of time to make the hire and simply blew it.

 

[volfan411]

I don't follow our baseball, but is Serrano doing a bad job or does he just not have a lot to work with?

The overall talent on the team is pretty good now just young. I think the youth of the team shows up late in games when they have a chance to win and just cannot pull it out.

I think Serrano is a good coach and will get it done but the proof is in the pudding and at this point he has alot left to prove. If he does not get results next season his seat will become HOT.

 

[SDV]

The overall talent on the team is pretty good now just young. I think the youth of the team shows up late in games when they have a chance to win and just cannot pull it out.

I think Serrano is a good coach and will get it done but the proof is in the pudding and at this point he has alot left to prove. If he does not get results next season his seat will become HOT.

Thank you

 

[fryeguy93]

The overall talent on the team is pretty good now just young. I think the youth of the team shows up late in games when they have a chance to win and just cannot pull it out.

I think Serrano is a good coach and will get it done but the proof is in the pudding and at this point he has a lot left to prove. If he does not get results next season his seat will become HOT.

I'll always remember the announcement and press conference. I was "doubtful" about Raleigh's resume after the rumors became fact and the press conference was one HUGE mess of stutters, tripe and imbecilic statements.

I think and hope Serrano has two-more seasons. He was more qualified than Raleigh 5-years ago. Is more qualified now and will be the most qualified candidate we could hire in 2-seasons.

 

[BruinVol]

I haven't studied the winning% possibilities but I am assuming that not playing these 2 games really hurts our chances. Is that correct?

 

[ShowmeVols]

I haven't studied the winning% possibilities but I am assuming that not playing these 2 games really hurts our chances. Is that correct?

It takes away our tie breaker edge over Mizzou because the SEC does seedings based on winning percentage rather than games behind. The different number of games played means there won't be a tie.

Assuming both teams play all six remaining scheduled conference games and Georgia doesn't suddenly get hot enough to blow past us both, we need to win one more of those six games than Mizzou does.

 

[BruinVol]

It takes away our tie breaker edge over Mizzou because the SEC does seedings based on winning percentage rather than games behind. The different number of games played means there won't be a tie.

Assuming both teams play all six remaining scheduled conference games and Georgia doesn't suddenly get hot enough to blow past us both, we need to win one more of those six games than Mizzou does.

Thanks. So we need 3 more wins to get in is my guess. Mizzou will win 2 more IMO

 

[volfan411]

I'll always remember the announcement and press conference. I was "doubtful" about Raleigh's resume after the rumors became fact and the press conference was one HUGE mess of stutters, tripe and imbecilic statements.

I think and hope Serrano has two-more seasons. He was more qualified than Raleigh 5-years ago. Is more qualified now and will be the most qualified candidate we could hire in 2-seasons.

Yeah I think he gets at least 2 more years myself and there is no arguing he has raised the talent level in the program drastically.

Most do not know that after Raleigh was fired several players left and Serano kicked off the best 2 players on the team in his first year. So he basically was starting the program from nothing and in my opinion has made strides in year 2. If we improve as much in year 3 as we did in year 2 we will be a contender next season.

 

[BruinVol]

If we improve as much in year 3 as we did in year 2 we will be a contender next season.

24-31 in year 1 and 18-26 in yr two. Where's this improvement you speak of??

 

[NashvilleFan]

The only fair way to judge/compare the quality of the program is to look at SEC Wins - The SEC is elite competition and has been that way for over a decade - The Nonconference schedule varies due to strength of schedule and one year it may be soft and another year it may be very difficult but the conference schedule is consistantly elite each year

Comparison of coaches over the last eight years

Delmonico - 2006 - 11-18 37.9%
Delmonico - 2007 - 13-15 46.4%
Raleigh - 2008 - 12-18 40.0%
Raleigh - 2009 - 11-19 37.7%
Raleigh -2010 - 12-18 40.0%
Raleigh -2011 - 7-23 23.3%
Serrano -2012 - 8-22 26.7%
Serrano -2013- 6-16 27.3% With 6 Games Remaining


Eight years without even a break even record spanning three coaches and two athletic directors... I see no improvement in this eight year span and the only fair method to be objective is the SEC record- If anything it is trending down if that is even possible - Numbers don't lie and if there is not a meaningful improvement in the record next year I fear we may be justified in discussing what is next to fix the program....Delmonico was fired after winning 13 games and I certainly question the wisdom of that decision after attending games for the last six years...Talk me off the cliff and tell me fifteen wins next year is possible and make me believe it.....

 

[Kdbnab1]

I would not even compare Dooley to Raleigh. Dooley was certainly a mess but Raleigh is probably the worst hire an SEC baseball program made in the last twenty years. Hamilton had plenty of time to make the hire and simply blew it.

I think Hamilton has been the downfall of the entire athletic program at U.T. The hiring of him has proved to be the most detrimental to any athletic program in D1 history. IMO.

 

[volfan411]

24-31 in year 1 and 18-26 in yr two. Where's this improvement you speak of??

I know the wins are not there but they have been in games and had chances to win them late and just have not pulled them out. As I said earlier I think that is due to the yuoth of the team so next season I would expect them to start winning a few of those games.

I also think you have to look at the out of conference schedule and the cailper of teams they are playing.

 

[volfan411]

The only fair way to judge/compare the quality of the program is to look at SEC Wins - The SEC is elite competition and has been that way for over a decade - The Nonconference schedule varies due to strength of schedule and one year it may be soft and another year it may be very difficult but the conference schedule is consistantly elite each year

Comparison of coaches over the last eight years

Delmonico - 2006 - 11-18 37.9%
Delmonico - 2007 - 13-15 46.4%
Raleigh - 2008 - 12-18 40.0%
Raleigh - 2009 - 11-19 37.7%
Raleigh -2010 - 12-18 40.0%
Raleigh -2011 - 7-23 23.3%
Serrano -2012 - 8-22 26.7%
Serrano -2013- 6-16 27.3% With 6 Games Remaining


Eight years without even a break even record spanning three coaches and two athletic directors... I see no improvement in this eight year span and the only fair method to be objective is the SEC record- If anything it is trending down if that is even possible - Numbers don't lie and if there is not a meaningful improvement in the record next year I fear we may be justified in discussing what is next to fix the program....Delmonico was fired after winning 13 games and I certainly question the wisdom of that decision after attending games for the last six years...Talk me off the cliff and tell me fifteen wins next year is possible and make me believe it.....

I am hoping 2011 was rock bottom.

 

[BruinVol]

I know the wins are not there but they have been in games and had chances to win them late and just have not pulled them out. As I said earlier I think that is due to the yuoth of the team so next season I would expect them to start winning a few of those games.

I also think you have to look at the out of conference schedule and the cailper of teams they are playing.

I agree that improvement has been made but only a small baby step. A much bigger step must be taken next season for any kind of real progress to be made.

 

[vol2013]

I agree that improvement has been made but only a small baby step. A much bigger step must be taken next season for any kind of real progress to be made.

I agree, though as long as we are relying on freshman pitchers to play a major role, which we still will next year, we will be inconsistent at best
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[BigOrange51]

The only fair way to judge/compare the quality of the program is to look at SEC Wins - The SEC is elite competition and has been that way for over a decade - The Nonconference schedule varies due to strength of schedule and one year it may be soft and another year it may be very difficult but the conference schedule is consistantly elite each year

Comparison of coaches over the last eight years

Delmonico - 2006 - 11-18 37.9%
Delmonico - 2007 - 13-15 46.4%
Raleigh - 2008 - 12-18 40.0%
Raleigh - 2009 - 11-19 37.7%
Raleigh -2010 - 12-18 40.0%
Raleigh -2011 - 7-23 23.3%
Serrano -2012 - 8-22 26.7%
Serrano -2013- 6-16 27.3% With 6 Games Remaining


Eight years without even a break even record spanning three coaches and two athletic directors... I see no improvement in this eight year span and the only fair method to be objective is the SEC record- If anything it is trending down if that is even possible - Numbers don't lie and if there is not a meaningful improvement in the record next year I fear we may be justified in discussing what is next to fix the program....Delmonico was fired after winning 13 games and I certainly question the wisdom of that decision after attending games for the last six years...Talk me off the cliff and tell me fifteen wins next year is possible and make me believe it.....

Its overwhelmingly obvious to me when I look at that breakdown, that what happened with Raleigh and what is happening with Serrano is dealing with leftovers from the previous coach. Over time, the 3 freshman All Americans (if you include Morgado) Rod left this program with were either driven away, kicked off, or ruined respectively. The talent that was in this program during the first few years under Raleigh was unbelievable when you compare it to the results. It took Todd four years to effectively get rid of all the good players Rod (and the reputation he gave this program) left us with. Raleigh was left in power just long enough to destroy any allure left in the once proud program, making it almost impossible to recruit big time kids to the program. This will take quite some time.

Honestly, we really need to get lucky. It may just take one or two guys like Kyle Serrano, to reestablish this as a place to go. Until we can trick some kids like that to end up here we will have to compete our tails off to finish middle of the pack in this, the best conference in America. I have faith that in time we will get top of this conference and once we do I don't think we will ever fall again under this staff.

 

[BruinVol]

I have posted this a number of times and I believe it to be true now more than ever. The ceiling for this program is middle of the pack SEC wise right now. Until Corbin leaves candy and/or something is done with their unfair unlimited scholarship situation this program can't do any better than a middle of the road program IMO.