SEC Tourney - Seeds and first rounds

[Volfan2012]

If they have a poor perimeter shooting day AND their post game doesn't dominate. Tennessee's post game doesn't match up with theirs, even when they aren't at their best.

The last game was decided by Cooke and Fletcher going 13 for 26 from the field. That needs to be more like 9 for 26 and we have to rebound a little better like Ole Miss did. They went minus three and we went a minus 14. You have to keep it in single digits and also hope that Horston plays more under control than the seven or eight bad shots she took in the last game. I also think you have to play slower not push it make those possessions last over 20 seconds unless you have a sure runout. The post play didn't dominate they were 8 for 20 we can accept that not fifty percent from the perimeter.

 

[Amb3096]

The last game was decided by Cooke and Fletcher going 13 for 26 from the field. That needs to be more like 9 for 26 and we have to rebound a little better like Ole Miss did. They went minus three and we went a minus 14. You have to keep it in single digits and also hope that Horston plays more under control than the seven or eight bad shots she took in the last game. I also think you have to play slower not push it make those possessions last over 20 seconds unless you have a sure runout. The post play didn't dominate they were 8 for 20 we can accept that not fifty percent from the perimeter.

I don't think you can count on the SC posts going 8-20 again. GA held Boston to 4 pts in their first game, and she torched them for 25 yesterday. They see how Tennessee defended her last time and I'm sure Dawn has her plan for how to get her open. Cooke is streaky, but you can't leave her that wide open, which is what they gambled on this last game. If she has time to set her feet and shoot, she's gonna make most of them. Fletcher is also better than she's given credit for. She scored double digits and 36% from deep in her last season at GT. She can be a scorer, but defers to the others on the court. If your gameplan is smother the paint and dare the guards to shoot and give them an eternity to get their shots off, it's likely they'll hit 50% next time out as well.

I think playing slowly and letting SC set up their defense is a recipe for disaster. Especially since Tennessee doesn't exactly have a great half-court offense to start with.

 

[Volfan2012]

I don't think you can count on the SC posts going 8-20 again. GA held Boston to 4 pts in their first game, and she torched them for 25 yesterday. They see how Tennessee defended her last time and I'm sure Dawn has her plan for how to get her open. Cooke is streaky, but you can't leave her that wide open, which is what they gambled on this last game. If she has time to set her feet and shoot, she's gonna make most of them. Fletcher is also better than she's given credit for. She scored double digits and 36% from deep in her last season at GT. She can be a scorer, but defers to the others on the court. If your gameplan is smother the paint and dare the guards to shoot and give them an eternity to get their shots off, it's likely they'll hit 50% next time out as well.

I think playing slowly and letting SC set up their defense is a recipe for disaster. Especially since Tennessee doesn't exactly have a great half-court offense to start with.

I didn't say you could just said that is what happened this game and the big reason it was a Tennessee loss was that the perimeter scoring for Sc was far better than they usually shoot the ball. You have to do one or the other and I'd rather give the perimeter shots than the inside shots. Of course you have to rebound their misses and that is something no one has been able to do other than Ole Miss. They came up short at the free throw line. They used the same strategy stop the inside and SC shot worse from the perimeter in that game. It is the best gameplan to play them right now.

 

[djtee]

If they have a poor perimeter shooting day AND their post game doesn't dominate. Tennessee's post game doesn't match up with theirs, even when they aren't at their best.

As Volfan2012: said because of their rebounding and second chance points really can change the game. GA has some size but was hammered on the glass.

 

[stllvf]

for those of you, who are experts on deciding the Sunday game , SEC Coaches and players might suggest - one game at a time.

 

[Amb3096]

for those of you, who are experts on deciding the Sunday game , SEC Coaches and players might suggest - one game at a time.

Sure, but the beauty of being fans is that we're allowed to speculate

 

[chuckiepoo]

Sure, but the beauty of being fans is that we're allowed to speculate

We’re allowed, yes. But the cess pool thickens. More deep breathing required in this forum. Quite a few participants seem to express themselves from an entitled position. Kinda sad what this forum has become. Only slightly less toxic than the espn forum before they shut it down.

 

[Amb3096]

We’re allowed, yes. But the cess pool thickens. More deep breathing required in this forum. Quite a few participants seem to express themselves from an entitled position. Kinda sad what this forum has become. Only slightly less toxic than the espn forum before they shut it down.

Really? I loved the ESPN forum. You could have a difference of opinion and not have it turn into playground tantrum. Plus, we had the best catfish troll ever: Jakia, the 15-year teen mom Lady Vol fan. I see some of the posters from there here and on the Boneyard, but I enjoyed the community. RIP.

 

[Rooster1]

I don't think you can count on the SC posts going 8-20 again. GA held Boston to 4 pts in their first game, and she torched them for 25 yesterday. They see how Tennessee defended her last time and I'm sure Dawn has her plan for how to get her open. Cooke is streaky, but you can't leave her that wide open, which is what they gambled on this last game. If she has time to set her feet and shoot, she's gonna make most of them. Fletcher is also better than she's given credit for. She scored double digits and 36% from deep in her last season at GT. She can be a scorer, but defers to the others on the court. If your gameplan is smother the paint and dare the guards to shoot and give them an eternity to get their shots off, it's likely they'll hit 50% next time out as well.

I think playing slowly and letting SC set up their defense is a recipe for disaster. Especially since Tennessee doesn't exactly have a great half-court offense to start with.

I believe this is true….you prob need to slow the game down and play a zone which packs the paint. Do both of those things and hope SC has an off shooting night…only chance for most teams, but not all. Stanford can play straight up ball, they are almost a clone of SC in style, size and speed. Indiana, a healthy Uconn, maybe Md and a few others shoot well enough that they don’t need to slow the game down but still need to pack the paint with a zone defense. When you see some of these teams hit 10+ 3’s in a game while playing with pace you know they are capable on a given night of knocking off anyone.

 

[37620VOL]

I believe this is true….you prob need to slow the game down and play a zone which packs the paint. Do both of those things and hope SC has an off shooting night…only chance for most teams, but not all. Stanford can play straight up ball, they are almost a clone of SC in style, size and speed. Indiana, a healthy Uconn, maybe Md and a few others shoot well enough that they don’t need to slow the game down but still need to pack the paint with a zone defense. When you see some of these teams hit 10+ 3’s in a game while playing with pace you know they are capable on a given night of knocking off anyone.

No way you can play zone and pack it in on SC. Cooke could score 40. You have to pack it in with man2man, put your best 1on1 defender on Cooke, and pray the others have a bad shooting night.

 

[djtee]

No way you can play zone and pack it in on SC. Cooke could score 40. You have to pack it in with man2man, put your best 1on1 defender on Cooke, and pray the others have a bad shooting night.

The problem with defending SC if you look at it in the big pitcher, Not only are Boston,Cardoso,Saxton,Beal are good rebounders. But so are the players on the bench. SC bench when they play are out rebounding there opponents in the game.

 

[Rooster1]

No way you can play zone and pack it in on SC. Cooke could score 40. You have to pack it in with man2man, put your best 1on1 defender on Cooke, and pray the others have a bad shooting night.

I haven‘t seen man2man work yet this year vs SC…..most teams that keep it close are in zone, and double on Boston down low.. Boston would love man coverage, she hasn’t seen that since the beginning of the season.

 

[37620VOL]

I haven‘t seen man2man work yet this year vs SC…..most teams that keep it close are in zone, and double on Boston down low.. Boston would love man coverage, she hasn’t seen that since the beginning of the season.

Lady Vols did it and held her to 11 points and 5 boards. We played some zone but it was mostly a packed in man2man. Cooke scorched us in zone moments, someone like Darby would end up guarding her. Against zone it is easy to dictate those horrible matchups.

 

[Rooster1]

Lady Vols did it and held her to 11 points and 5 boards. We played some zone but it was mostly a packed in man2man. Cooke scorched us in zone moments, someone like Darby would end up guarding her. Against zone it is easy to dictate those horrible matchups.

UT played zone half that game, and even then they always had 2 facing Boston on entry passes. It worked to a degree, but it left Cardoso alone in single coverage. A team could choose not to double down on Boston once an entry pass is made, but when that happens she knows to take it to the rim on a 1v1, which is money in the bank. Honestly, if I was a coach going against this SC team, I would play a box and 1 with the one being a dedicated defender on Cooke and the box designed to deny easy entry passes and clog the middle. You have to pick your poison, and Boston down low with a 1v1 matchup is way higher percentage than someone other than Cooke shooting up an outside shot. And I would slow the game way the hell down. SC is at its best on the run and in transition. Earlier in the season MSU did this strategy effectively.

In the end, until someone figures out how to keep SC off the offensive glass it prob does not matter the defense you try. SC is rebounding 49% of their missed shots. That would need to be addressed. But slowing down the game tremendously and keeping the paint clogged up so far seems the best strategy. The other option is to shoot lights out for the game, can’t rebound a basket and it prevents the quick transition game. I think SC will run into a team or two in the NCAA tourney that can shoot like that, maybe an Iowa or Indiana type.

 

[djtee]

Lady Vols did it and held her to 11 points and 5 boards. We played some zone but it was mostly a packed in man2man. Cooke scorched us in zone moments, someone like Darby would end up guarding her. Against zone it is easy to dictate those horrible matchups.

Here is the problem with your argument Cardoso 15rbs Beal 11rbs Saxton 4 and ended the game with 20 offensive rbs

 

[37620VOL]

Here is the problem with your argument Cardoso 15rbs Beal 11rbs Saxton 4 and ended the game with 20 offensive rbs

They are just great rebounders. It's harder to rebound out of a zone than man2man. I don't think there is a solution for this, SC will get their boards.

 

[AMBAVol07]

A rules question regarding ejection for fighting.
I’m watching the Kentucky Alabama game and it does not appear any Kentucky players are serving a 1 game suspension for fighting in the Florida game. Do they no longer require a 1 game suspension or is there an exception because it is the SEC Tournament?

 

[CannonVol80]

A rules question regarding ejection for fighting.
I’m watching the Kentucky Alabama game and it does not appear any Kentucky players are serving a 1 game suspension for fighting in the Florida game. Do they no longer require a 1 game suspension or is there an exception because it is the SEC Tournament?

I believe the announcers said yesterday that only one player from Florida was actually ejected for fighting. The other ejections were for the offense of leaving the bench and charging the floor, which apparently does not require the next game suspension.

Jim

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I haven‘t seen man2man work yet this year vs SC…..most teams that keep it close are in zone, and double on Boston down low.. Boston would love man coverage, she hasn’t seen that since the beginning of the season.

They are unbeaten so I guess no defense works very well against. I don't think it is the defense you, it is how you play it. If we are not really aggressive on defense, we will not win. If we are aggressive, we have a chance.

 

[Vols2015]

TN better take KY seriously tomorrow. KY won it last year and is coming in with 2 big upsets. If TN plays like they did against KY a few days ago, the results should be the same. I expect TN to come out and play from the start to finish.

TN: 80
KY: 60