SEC vs Big 10

#26
#26
allvol123 said:
You can't see a single team that matches up well with them? UF and LSU both have defenses that would do fine against them. These 2 teams go up against just as good if not better athletes in their own practices. I have a feeling sometime during the first half of the NC game, Troy Smith is going to wish some UM players were chasing him around.
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Michigan has a quality front seven, allowing a nation-leading 43 yards per game on the ground. That's about as good as it gets, and in a conference with traditionally good running games. IMO, Michigan's front seven is better than Florida's.

The difference will be in Florida's secondary. If Gonzalez and Ginn can break Florida's secondary, Ohio State wins big.
 
#27
#27
rexvol said:
I've got a buddy that keeps running his mouth (OSU fan) about the Big Ten. I still cant believe these words came out of his mouth, but he just told me that UF couldnt even beat Wisconsin and that the Buckeyes win by 14. He is throughly convinced that the Big 10 is the far superior conference. Of course he cites the Auburn game as his evidence in slamming UF. Sad huh?
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Well tell you buddy that "The" Ohio State University is 0-8 against SEC teams in bowl games :rock:
 
#32
#32
VolinArizona said:
No. Ginn isn't that good of a receiver, really.
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Agreed. Last year Ginn was a lot like Percy Harvin. Super athletic, but still not really a reliable receiver. This year, Ginn has learned the WR position, but he can still improve. I think Ginn this year is a good preview of Harvin next year. Although I'm not sure he'll be as much of a downfield threat in Meyer's offense. Regardless, they'll both continue to get better but aren't All-American material as of now.
 
#33
#33
kptvol said:
Agreed. Last year Ginn was a lot like Percy Harvin. Super athletic, but still not really a reliable receiver. This year, Ginn has learned the WR position, but he can still improve. I think Ginn this year is a good preview of Harvin next year. Although I'm not sure he'll be as much of a downfield threat in Meyer's offense. Regardless, they'll both continue to get better but aren't All-American material as of now.
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Is there some other Percy Harvin of which I am not aware? Can't catch downfield? Did you not watch the SECCG?
 
#34
#34
milohimself said:
Michigan has a quality front seven, allowing a nation-leading 43 yards per game on the ground. That's about as good as it gets, and in a conference with traditionally good running games. IMO, Michigan's front seven is better than Florida's.
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Was that before or after Ohio State gashed them for those two runs of about 120 yards up the middle?
 
#35
#35
I think I'd have to agre that Ohio State and Michigan could both easily win the SEC this year. Now with that said I think depth wise the SEC is FAR better.

Quality SEC Teams:

Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Arkansas
Alabama
Georgia
LSU
South Carolina
Kentucky


Big 10's Quality Teams:

Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Penn State
Purdue

Depth wise it's not even close.
 
#36
#36
lawgator1 said:
Is there some other Percy Harvin of which I am not aware? Can't catch downfield? Did you not watch the SECCG?
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I saw one downfield catch. I saw several drops. I saw several creative offensive plays to get him the ball that did not involve him catching it.
 
#38
#38
Rocky Top said:
I think I'd have to agre that Ohio State and Michigan could both easily win the SEC this year. Now with that said I think depth wise the SEC is FAR better.

Quality SEC Teams:

Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Arkansas
Alabama
Georgia
LSU
South Carolina
Kentucky


Big 10's Quality Teams:

Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Penn State
Purdue

Depth wise it's not even close.
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South Carolina and Kentucky are not quality programs. Purdue is only half of the time.
 
#39
#39
In recent history.............UT-45/ Mich-17. That would be the 2001 Citrus bowl. South Carolina-24/OSU-7...............2001 Outback bowl. South Carolina-31/OSU-28.......2002 Outback bowl. Any questions? Take that to your friend.
 
#41
#41
vixenvol said:
In recent history.............UT-45/ Mich-17. That would be the 2001 Citrus bowl. South Carolina-24/OSU-7...............2001 Outback bowl. South Carolina-31/OSU-28.......2002 Outback bowl. Any questions? Take that to your friend.
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The same South Carolina that is a mere 6 seasons removed from one win in 21 games? Yeah, great program.
 
#42
#42
we're talking about post SOS's hire when ref'ing USC, as of the date he stepped on campus I would say they are an above average program that is trending upward
 
#43
#43
VolinArizona said:
No worse than Mississippi State or Mississippi.
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Illinois is 2-10 overall and has an average computer ranking of 100.

Ole Miss is 4-8 overall with a computer average of 73.

Miss State is 3-9 overall with a computer average of 81.
 
#44
#44
allvol123 said:
No way would I agree with that. Even if they were better, for argument's sake, they are not that much better. Michigan struggled with Vandy for 3 quarters this year, as many SEC tams did. UM is not this juggernaut everyone makes them out to be.
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Michigan struggled with Vandy for 3 quarters??? Just because UM did not beat Vandy by 40, does not mean they struggled with them. 10-0 at the end of the first, 13-7 at half, 20-7 at the end of three, and 27-7 final. Oh, and Vandy's only TD came on a reverse flea flicker.

However, if you want to talk about top 5 teams struggling with Vandy, feel free to throw Florida into the conversation.
 
#45
#45
If the SEC wants to lay claim to being the best and the deepest conference in college football they need to prove it on the field. We have 9 bowl games to shut the big 10, pac 10, big 12, and everyone else up that says that we are not the toughest conference to play in. Win all 9 bowl games everyone praises the SEC, but that most likely will not happen. Tennessee will beat Joe Pa and get revenge for the last Citrus bowl a$$ whippin we took from them. LSU will crush ND just like all the other quality teams did to them this year and no UCLA is not a quality team. Auburn will prove that Nebraska is overrated just USC did earlier. And South Carolina is probably the only other game that will not be that close. The rest of them are toss ups. UK and Clemson kinda scarry to pick don't know which Clemson team will show up. Florida will need luck as they have all year and one bad call against "The Overrated State University" to win by more than a field goal and lets hope the game doesn't come down to that for Florida.
 
#46
#46
One thing I have not heard much is the pressure on Ohio State. There are very few people in the nation that don't believe Ohio State will win. That is big-time pressure. Ohio State still has to perform. They don't win the game by just walking on the field. Leak and the entire Florida team is going to be crazy fired up because the truth be told, they aren't even supposed to be in this game and yet here they are about to play for the National Championship. My prediction....If Florida gets ahead early and plays a solid game (very solid) the final score could be one of the biggest surprises of the entire year. Just my .02
 
#47
#47
givensme said:
If the SEC wants to lay claim to being the best and the deepest conference in college football they need to prove it on the field. We have 9 bowl games to shut the big 10, pac 10, big 12, and everyone else up that says that we are not the toughest conference to play in. Win all 9 bowl games everyone praises the SEC, but that most likely will not happen. Tennessee will beat Joe Pa and get revenge for the last Citrus bowl a$$ whippin we took from them. LSU will crush ND just like all the other quality teams did to them this year and no UCLA is not a quality team. Auburn will prove that Nebraska is overrated just USC did earlier. And South Carolina is probably the only other game that will not be that close. The rest of them are toss ups. UK and Clemson kinda scarry to pick don't know which Clemson team will show up. Florida will need luck as they have all year and one bad call against "The Overrated State University" to win by more than a field goal and lets hope the game doesn't come down to that for Florida.
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#48
#48
Can people here wrap their heads around the notion that the SEC just might not be the strongest conference. Everyone cites the fact that SEC teams beat up on each other as evidence. However, how does the SEC play against quality non conference opponents?

  • Arkansas lost by 36 to the PAC-10 champ.
  • Alabama's best non conference opponent was Hawaii...Bama won by 8.
  • Auburn faced Wazzou, Buffalo, and Tulane. Congrats on those three wins, Tommy.
  • Florida beat the worst Florida State team of the past 20 years...by a single touchdown. That was the best non conference opponent Florida faced.
  • UGA needed a miracle to beat a 2-10 Colorado team, the best OOC team they faced.
  • UK lost by 31 to Louisville.
  • LSU beat Arizona by 42. Congrats LSU!
  • Ole Miss played the ACC Champ. They did keep it within 25.
  • Miss. St. got blown off the field against WVU. 42-14.
  • South Carolina probably did the best to represent SEC toughness. The SECE's 5th best team beat the ACCA's 4th best team.
  • Of course we all know about Tennessee's game against Cal.
  • Finally, Vandy lost to Michigan by 20. Apparently some on this board believe there is such a thing as a "close 20." Of course, these same believers will most likely not call our win over UGA a "close 18."
If the SEC wants to be known as the toughest conference, then they should schedule conference powerhouses and play them. The top two teams in the SEC this year, Florida and Arkansas, beat absolutely not one noteworthy non conference opponent. The top two teams in the Big Ten beat Texas and Notre Dame, respectively.
 
#49
#49
I live in Auburn...and not too long ago there was an article about Auburn trying to schedule games with Michigan, Texas, and some other big name programs...the only problem was that none of the other schools accepted the bid to play the games. :unsure:
 
#50
#50
And Texas is who again didn't even play for their conference championship. Notre Dame real quality team there. We will see what they do against LSU. All I was saying is that if the SEC wants to be the strongest conference is go out and win the bowl games.
 
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