Second Time Transfers

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madtownvol said:
When are you going to learn that it ain't all about you? My post was directed at Lady Vol Guru (notice the quote that prefaced my comment). SMH
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Coach Jumper said:
the fact you even know of this song tells me much about you

are we really gonna do this mt
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First off, if you are dissing the pioneering B-52s, well that is your loss.

Second, "we" ain't doing nuthin.

Have fun fighting your imaginary battles pugnacious one.
 
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madtownvol said:
Players can have all sorts of legitimate reasons for wanting to transfer. The school is not right; their perspective has changed; they discover that their fit with a coach is less than they expected. Given that the LVs roster is now filled with transfers, this kind of vitriol toward transfer student-athletes seems I don't know, rude. The NCAA lets coaches switch jobs whenever opportunity knocks. Why should players be held captive to a "bad" situation. Other students can switch schools without being called self-entitled cancers. Why are student-athletes held to a different standard?
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Coaches can switch jobs whenever they want but normally they have to pay to get out of their contract.
A school frequently has invested heavily on an athlete for a year or two (time, conditioning, money, coaching etc.) before they become a positive for the team. If they transfer, the school is out that investment. However, I agree that kids make mistakes or see a transfer coming in to play ahead of them etc. so I am ok with the 1 free transfer rule.
 
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Raebo said:
Coaches can switch jobs whenever they want but normally they have to pay to get out of their contract..
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You sure about that? I think most contracts negotiate some kind of exist clause/option. Otherwise, that would be a barrier to recruiting coaches and you don't heat much about that. Did Tennessee pay out $ for hiring Josh Heupel? They had to buy out the old coaches contract but not the other way around I believe.
 
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madtownvol said:
You sure about that? I think most contracts negotiate some kind of exist clause/option. Otherwise, that would be a barrier to recruiting coaches and you don't heat much about that. Did Tennessee pay out $ for hiring Josh Heupel? They had to buy out the old coaches contract but not the other way around I believe.
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Yes it's very standard for head coaches to have buyouts going both ways.

On Heupel's UCF contract...

"The Knights put a buyout clause in the initial contract, saying that UCF would be owed a buyout of $10 million if Heupel departs prior to the 2020 bowl game."
 
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madtownvol said:
You sure about that? I think most contracts negotiate some kind of exist clause/option. Otherwise, that would be a barrier to recruiting coaches and you don't heat much about that. Did Tennessee pay out $ for hiring Josh Heupel? They had to buy out the old coaches contract but not the other way around I believe.
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Yes, for example. If Coach Kellie wants out of her contract she would have to pay about $500,000 for each of the years left on her contract. If we won the NC, I am sure other schools would gladly pay that if she was willing to go to their school.
Kim Mulkey would have to pay a flat 2 million if she left anytime before her contract expired.
If a coach leaves after 1 or 2 years, they will likely owe their school more than they made.
 
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Lady Vol Guru said:
Regulations tightening which is a very good thing. These kids that jump programs when things don’t go to suit them need to pay the consequences!
NCAA tightens restrictions on second-time transfers
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I'm generally on board with the notion that it makes sense to tighten up restrictions on second and subsequent transfers.

That said, one of the tightenings is:
> Academic preferences (i.e., availability of major courses of study) will also no longer be considered.

I understand the desire to limit this as it's a major loophole that could be used to defend almost any decision to transfer, but if a player transferred to a school specifically to major in a particular field, and the school decided to drop that major, I'd like to treat that as an exception. I don't think it happens all at often, but if it happened to you, it would be a potential life-changing event.
 
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Eric Viesturs said:
I'm generally on board with the notion that it makes sense to tighten up restrictions on second and subsequent transfers.

That said, one of the tightenings is:
> Academic preferences (i.e., availability of major courses of study) will also no longer be considered.

I understand the desire to limit this as it's a major loophole that could be used to defend almost any decision to transfer, but if a player transferred to a school specifically to major in a particular field, and the school decided to drop that major, I'd like to treat that as an exception. I don't think it happens all at often, but if it happened to you, it would be a potential life-changing event.
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Is this referring to players that are graduating and transferring for a particular graduate program? Or just undergrad transfers?
 
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I'm assuming it's only referring to undergraduate transfers, mainly because it explicitly notes that graduate transfers are still permitted
 
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