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Volmorning

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Can anyone quantify what is the difference between a high 3-star and a 4-star recruit?

Is it just an opinion, or are there hard, cold measurables that come Into play?

I am scratching my head about this class so far, and don't know whether to believe the negavols or the cheerleaders. Is this class on the level of Kentucky or not?
 
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A lot of recruiting is getting guys that fit in your system, so I don't think there is a whole lot of difference.
 
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3 star players are rated as such because they are raw talents. A 5 star recruit is expected to have an impact immediately, 4 stars to play a significant role as freshman, and 3 stars need more time to develop. Hence why you see more 5 star skill position players than linemen. I'm a scout.
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It has a lot to do with how the coaches develop the players as well when they get into their system.
 
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I rather have alot or 3 and 4 star guys that want to be at Tennessee than some 5 star guys who get into trouble all the time. You know Boise St does not get the 4 and 5 star guys and they do good. Get the guys to fit your system and you will do good. I really think Dooley is the right guy for Tennessee.
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
3 star players are rated as such because they are raw talents. A 5 star recruit is expected to have an impact immediately, 4 stars to play a significant role as freshman, and 3 stars need more time to develop. Hence why you see more 5 star skill position players than linemen. I'm a scout.
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This is a good definition. The biggest problem with stars and rankings is that some of the stats and information is self-reported. Players know will sometimes inflate stats and recruiting interest because they know that might lead to more offers.


Read "Meat Market" for an insightful view of recruiting.
 
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I knew it was a meat market but I didn't know a lot of it was self reported. How do they raise their stats on the field? Don't schools and conferences/divisions track those?
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Some really good prospects get underappreciated and underrated simply because they don't get visibility by attending camps, combines, etc. Some prospects get overappreciated, overrated/hyped due to bandwagoning by the recruiting media. Good college coaches / evaluators / rectruiters can put together excellent teams that contain mostly three star players with maybe a few four stars sprinkled in, especially if they're high-character hard-working "winners". Three star players typically need a little more development (S&C and coaching up), but the bottom line is that there is waaaay too much attention paid to and fretting done over star rankings.
 
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Volmorning said:
Can anyone quantify what is the difference between a high 3-star and a 4-star recruit?

Is it just an opinion, or are there hard, cold measurables that come Into play?

I am scratching my head about this class so far, and don't know whether to believe the negavols or the cheerleaders. Is this class on the level of Kentucky or not?
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First of all, only 2 of our 11 commits are "high" 3-stars anyway. 3 are low 3-stars, 4 are in between and we have a couple of zero-star guys that apparently haven't been evaluated.
 
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What concerns me more than stars is that some of the guys we have taken commitments from don't have many offers from other top tiered schools... I tend to put more stock in a player's offer list than star ranking
 
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Volmorning said:
Can anyone quantify what is the difference between a high 3-star and a 4-star recruit?

Is it just an opinion, or are there hard, cold measurables that come Into play?

I am scratching my head about this class so far, and don't know whether to believe the negavols or the cheerleaders. Is this class on the level of Kentucky or not?
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I don't know a ton about it, but do know that the top 50 players in the country, as recognized by Scout, are then the Scout 5 stars. So, the 51st best guy is a 4 star. Imagine it's the same with 4 stars, but haven't read that yet. Maybe the next 100 or maybe 150 are 4 stars. One player lower ranked than that is a three star.

So, it's all relative and on a continuously varying scale. I wouldn't think there's any demonstrable and reliable difference at all between the bottom 5 star and the top 4 star, for instance. But there's likely a real difference in the highest 5 star and lowest 4 star for instance. Imagine it's very much the same for a low 4 and high 3 star situation.

Don't know anything about how Rivals does it, but do notice the 5.7, 5.8 etc. score. A tenth can make the dif in a 3star versus 4.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Some really good prospects get underappreciated and underrated simply because they don't get visibility by attending camps, combines, etc. Some prospects get overappreciated, overrated/hyped due to bandwagoning by the recruiting media. Good college coaches / evaluators / rectruiters can put together excellent teams that contain mostly three star players with maybe a few four stars sprinkled in, especially if they're high-character hard-working "winners". Three star players typically need a little more development (S&C and coaching up), but the bottom line is that there is waaaay too much attention paid to and fretting done over star rankings.
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I agree
 
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Performances at camps and things of that nature goes a long ways towards these kids' rankings.
 
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SGMVols said:
Yeah, 3 star players never get in trouble.
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Agreed. Maybe one day imbeciles will stop making that silly argument...5 star guys are the ones getting in trouble and 3-4 star kids show up to campus with halos in tow. Jeez. Completely ridiculous.
 
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rickyyrs said:
I rather have alot or 3 and 4 star guys that want to be at Tennessee than some 5 star guys who get into trouble all the time. You know Boise St does not get the 4 and 5 star guys and they do good. Get the guys to fit your system and you will do good. I really think Dooley is the right guy for Tennessee.
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I am with you as far as having guys that want to be here, and I am not huge on stars but......

Comparing us to Boise St.?

Boise St. is a solid team but if they played an S.E.C. schedule with their talent level, 5-6 wins at best. Boise St. just has guys that go through the system all 4-5 years, they do not lose many players to draft, trouble, academics.
 
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DD4ME said:
I knew it was a meat market but I didn't know a lot of it was self reported. How do they raise their stats on the field? Don't schools and conferences/divisions track those?
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According to "Meat Market" most recruiting services don't have time to check everyone'e stats so they rely on the player to report. I'd have to look it up but I remember an example given of a runnning back who had something like 12 carries for 60 yards but he reported 18 carries for 120 yards and 2 tds.

That is why coaches rely more on the film they see and especially on camps. At camp they can see not only how the player moves but also his personality. Coaches could care less about stars. That is for the fans.
 
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Volmorning said:
Can anyone quantify what is the difference between a high 3-star and a 4-star recruit?

Is it just an opinion, or are there hard, cold measurables that come Into play?

I am scratching my head about this class so far, and don't know whether to believe the negavols or the cheerleaders. Is this class on the level of Kentucky or not?
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try this

Rivals.com has assembled the top team of recruiting analysts in the nation with both national and regional experts based all throughout the country. With those strengths, players at a number of different positions will be ranked once a month from June until February.


The rankings are compiled after countless hours of film evaluation, personal observations and input from professional, college and high school coaches.


In the finished product, players are ranked a number of different ways but the most important ways are numerically by position, qualitatively by stars and a new ranking system that grades players on the expected impact they will make in college.


Players are ranked numerically on a national level at their positions. The numerical ranking at each position varies depending on the depth of the talent at the position.


Players are also ranked on their quality with a star ranking. A five-star prospect is considered to be one of the nation's top 25-30 players, four star is a top 250-300 or so player, three-stars is a top 750 level player, two stars means the player is a mid-major prospect and one star means the player is not ranked.


The ranking system ranks prospects on a numerical scale from 6.1-4.9.



6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about


Rivals.com is proud to present the most advanced database system ever created and the most advanced rating system around. If you have any questions about the database or rankings contact recruiting@rivals.com.
 
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