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Where are all these 3 point shooters that were suppose to be able to hit behind the arc? I think someone did a bad recruiting job. They have no relaible shooters from there except Areial. This will get you about the first round of the tournament with no out side presence!
 
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willford65 said:
Where are all these 3 point shooters that were suppose to be able to hit behind the arc? I think someone did a bad recruiting job. They have no relaible shooters from there except Areial. This will get you about the first round of the tournament with no out side presence!
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We are all trying to find them, apparently all of our shooters lost their touch from high school and can no longer hit their butts with both of their hands.
 
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willford65 said:
Where are all these 3 point shooters that were suppose to be able to hit behind the arc? I think someone did a bad recruiting job. They have no relaible shooters from there except Areial. This will get you about the first round of the tournament with no out side presence!
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Silly and not true.
 
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willford65 said:
Where are all these 3 point shooters that were suppose to be able to hit behind the arc? I think someone did a bad recruiting job. They have no relaible shooters from there except Areial. This will get you about the first round of the tournament with no out side presence!
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Burdick has a sweet and effective three point shot, but she rarely shoots it..
 
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willford65 said:
Where are all these 3 point shooters that were suppose to be able to hit behind the arc? I think someone did a bad recruiting job.
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Let's be honest, although Dunbar, Middleton and Nared are all considered good 3-point shooters, there are reasons they are not seeing more playing time. Mainly, because they are freshman (inexperienced) and poor defenders -- Dunbar lacks quickness, Middleton lacks height & strength, and Nared lacks effort. When it is all said and done, this trio could quite well be one of the weakest recruiting classes in recent LV history.

Also, I am trembling at the thought of our post offense next season given the underwhelming performance and lack of offensive prowess displayed by Russell her freshman year, and the steady decline of Graves during her career.

And although I would like to think Tucker will be able to contribute, at this point, she is nothing but an unproven commodity.

Not sure Diamond will be able to do it all by herself, althought I'm sure she won't mind trying as she appears to be the second coming of Meighan Simmons (i.e. volume shooter).
 
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The problem is that we don't have any guards with the all-around package. All of them are either defenders or shooters but not both.

The cake was baked last night as soon as ND went up by 10. At that point Holly was forced to play Ariel who is our best guard scorer but our worst defender. That left McGraw the ability to put Loyd on her with the screens and thats all she wrote...

The women's game is heading more and more like the mens game. Teams with excellent guard play or the three spot win the titles. Baylor might be the exception with Griner but even then Odyssey Sims played a larger role than most give her credit in the success of that team.
 
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Massengale has been the consistent one from behind the arc.

But, it is encouraging to see Carter now starting to hit shots from outside.

Reynolds has proven that she can hit threes (often at key moments).

As note by another poster, Burdick can hit threes (when she has space and time). I think she is better of staying closer to the paint because she is becoming a force on the boards and her mid range game is her strength.

Middleton now passes on threes and that often times leads to poor results.

Personally, I think the LVs needed less Middleton and more Reynolds last night because Jordan is willing and able to take threes and can also create off the dribble.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Forget 3's, how about getting players who can hit layups???
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Actually, the shooters appear to have been instructed to force the ball inside instead of taking wide open threes. If one is afraid to take the three, they will not shoot well.
 
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RedDirtRoadVol said:
Hard to see the court when you can't play D (unless your name is Ariel Massengale)!!
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I don't really agree with this(that the freshmen are bad defenders). All three are pretty good basic defenders. They haven't played a lot so they get a little lost with the communicating and switching. But, their basic defensive skills are pretty good.
 
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Sandvol said:
I don't really agree with this(that the freshmen are bad defenders). All three are pretty good basic defenders. They haven't played a lot so they get a little lost with the communicating and switching. But, their basic defensive skills are pretty good.
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The TEAM just got lit up for 88 points by ND...not sure any of the players qualify as good defenders. Too many LV fans form their opinions based on peformances against inferior opponents.

REMINDER: The LV's have NOT advanced to a Final Four for six years and counting, and have not had a road win vs. a Top 10 in just about as long of time.

Stop settling for mediocrity...and don't give me BS rationale that the LV's have won the SEC/SECT and finished in the Top 15 rankings. There is a HUGE descrepancy between the LV's and top tiers teams like UConn and ND. The LV's are down the list among second tier teams. It is what it is.
 
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RedDirtRoadVol said:
Not sure Diamond will be able to do it all by herself, althought I'm sure she won't mind trying as she appears to be the second coming of Meighan Simmons (i.e. volume shooter).
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Diamond was a volume shooter during the first half of her freshman year. Then Sylvia sat her down and had a little chat with her. After that, she only shot when she had the ball.
 
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RedDirtRoadVol said:
There is a HUGE descrepancy between the LV's and top tiers teams like UConn and ND.
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UConn and Notre Dame have better shooters than Tennessee. Not more talent, just better shooters. It might be because they both have coaches who can teach team offense.

Notre Dame normally plays a 10-man rotation. Five of those players currently shoot at or above 50% for the season.

UConn has an 8-man rotation. Seven of those players (including all five starters) shoot above 50%. Only Chong at 43% does not.

As a team, Tennessee shoots only 41.8%. Out of Tennessee's normal 10-man rotation, only Nia Moore shoots above 50%, and she only averages 12 minutes per game.

Does Tennessee have the talent to win a national championship this year? Yes. Does it have good shooters? Stats don't lie.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
UConn and Notre Dame have better shooters than Tennessee. Not more talent, just better shooters. It might be because they both have coaches who can teach team offense.

Notre Dame normally plays a 10-man rotation. Five of those players currently shoot at or above 50% for the season.

UConn has an 8-man rotation. Seven of those players (including all five starters) shoot above 50%. Only Chong at 43% does not.

As a team, Tennessee shoots only 41.8%. Out of Tennessee's normal 10-man rotation, only Nia Moore shoots above 50%, and she only averages 12 minutes per game.

Does Tennessee have the talent to win a national championship this year? Yes. Does it have good shooters? Stats don't lie.
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Three kinds of lies....surely you know the quote...:)
 
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RedDirtRoadVol said:
The TEAM just got lit up for 88 points by ND...not sure any of the players qualify as good defenders. Too many LV fans form their opinions based on peformances against inferior opponents.

REMINDER: The LV's have NOT advanced to a Final Four for six years and counting, and have not had a road win vs. a Top 10 in just about as long of time.

Stop settling for mediocrity...and don't give me BS rationale that the LV's have won the SEC/SECT and finished in the Top 15 rankings. There is a HUGE descrepancy between the LV's and top tiers teams like UConn and ND. The LV's are down the list among second tier teams. It is what it is.
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Not settling. Hardly if you've read me for awhile. But, you have to be somewhat patient. You can't go from a longtime assistant to an elite coach overnight. As long as Holly is going in the right direction I am satisfied. But, she has to keep moving in that direction. I will give her time as long as I see progress from her. I see the players doing things better than they were before. I see Cierra playing better (she is playing to her strengths). I see Carter playing better. I see Graves playing better. I see Mass playing a little better even though I don't think she'll ever be there defensively. I saw Jones playing better before she got hurt. Now, she just has to get Harrison to elevate her game and stop this psycho crap she's been going through. We are not there with UConn yet but I think we have a real shot at Final Four this year.
 
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Lloyd is certainly better than any player we have, and Turner is excellent. The Irish center, Reimer, and a couple of their other guards are good, too, so ND has good talent. And McGraw is one of the best coaches in the game, no question--maybe THE best.

We have Harrison, Carter, Massengale and Graves--with the latter two having some deficiencies. I noticed that Notre Dame has 7 guards on the squad. We have 4, and while our guard depth and play is better than it was during the last years of PS's tenure, we are still not as strong at guard as we should be. Notre Dame does shoot very well--partly because they've just got good shooters, but also because they move and pass the ball extremely well and are getting a lot of layups and relatively easy shots--shots that we don't get because our offense--though improved lately, for sure--is different and not as good as Notre Dame's. They scored a whopping 46 points in the paint agains us--that's half their overall total. That's a pretty incredible number.

Warlick seems to be trying to clean up the sloppy play that plagued this program for years--starting way back in the PS years. That needs to continue--have to be more efficient on offense--and she's got to really push on recruiting. I don't think UT's freshman class this year will end up scaring ND or UConn. We've been unlucky with injuries--not having Russell is hurting us badly, and we really need Jones back to provide some depth and more defense. I think we have played better offensively during her absence--let's just say that. As Sandvol notes, Massengale, Carter, Graves and Burdick have been playing well. But we'd be in sad shape if they weren't: Two of them are seniors, one a junior and one a two-year soph starter. Throw in senior Harrison and we've got a veteran team. We SHOULD be playing well.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Forget 3's, how about getting players who can hit layups???
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Apparently our girls also lost that ability between high school and Tennessee. Maybe we need to send Volunteer out and see if he can hunt down shooting in general and bring it back.
 
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armchair said:
Lloyd is certainly better than any player we have, and Turner is excellent. The Irish center, Reimer, and a couple of their other guards are good, too, so ND has good talent. And McGraw is one of the best coaches in the game, no question--maybe THE best.

We have Harrison, Carter, Massengale and Graves--with the latter two having some deficiencies. I noticed that Notre Dame has 7 guards on the squad. We have 4, and while our guard depth and play is better than it was during the last years of PS's tenure, we are still not as strong at guard as we should be. Notre Dame does shoot very well--partly because they've just got good shooters, but also because they move and pass the ball extremely well and are getting a lot of layups and relatively easy shots--shots that we don't get because our offense--though improved lately, for sure--is different and not as good as Notre Dame's. They scored a whopping 46 points in the paint agains us--that's half their overall total. That's a pretty incredible number.

Warlick seems to be trying to clean up the sloppy play that plagued this program for years--starting way back in the PS years. That needs to continue--have to be more efficient on offense--and she's got to really push on recruiting. I don't think UT's freshman class this year will end up scaring ND or UConn. We've been unlucky with injuries--not having Russell is hurting us badly, and we really need Jones back to provide some depth and more defense. I think we have played better offensively during her absence--let's just say that. As Sandvol notes, Massengale, Carter, Graves and Burdick have been playing well. But we'd be in sad shape if they weren't: Two of them are seniors, one a junior and one a two-year soph starter. Throw in senior Harrison and we've got a veteran team. We SHOULD be playing well.
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Many great points. While having some key injuries and Tucker struggling to get back to form, the core of this team is experienced. It is disappointing that they have been struggling in most games to put together offensive execution and defensive intensity. But, they are showing signs of moving in that direction.

The recurrent narrative on this board is that has so much better talent than everyone else, that they should be dominating.

I don't think that is the case at all. We have good players but they are not hands down superior to many of the teams that face in conference in match-ups with the likes of Notre Dame. Those McDonald all-American rankings having to be taken with a grain of salt. There is a lot of talent that just does not get into the evaluation loop (showcase tournaments etc.) which drive many of those rankings. And our freshman class all are development projects. Dunbar needs a lot of work in her speed and mobility; Nared needs strength and it appears that the game is moving to fast for her; Middleton is the farthest along but she clearly lags behind say the freshman who were grabbing minutes for ND.
 
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If you watch the good three point shooters prepare for their possible shot rather than watching the ball, you will see that the good shooters are always looking for the spot on the floor that is open. Our girls seem to be missing that fact and so many of their shots are contested from the line.
Another point that has to be recognized is that once the ball goes inside, it rarely comes back out. This is another reason we do not have many shots from the outside.
Still another point might be that the freshmen know if they take the shot, it better go in or it is pine riding time again. Puts a lot of pressure on taking the shot.
 
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I take back the post I made a couple of months ago about Massengale being a reliable 3 point shooter, also Burdick, Nard. (and Middleton who needs to go to Div 2 school)
 
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Your credibility might be helped if you took the time to spell some of their names correctly.
 
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