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Hope we see very limited Shotgun formations Saturday.
Young QBs tend to do better under center, with more time to read the D.
Taking the snap in shotgun takes the QB eyes off the D for about 2-3 seconds.
Miz DEs are very fast and are quicker to QB in shotgun.
I trust our OC, but have to admit am a bit nervous about that one thing.
The zone read is normlly ran from the gun, I just hope that doesn't bite us.
I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on drop?
Can all of our plays be ran from under center with. 2 or 3 step drop?
Dobbs having a fast release, helps with some concern, but its still bothering me a bit.
I'll hang up and listen.
GBO
 
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I think it's all a preference. For example, I remember Andre Ware saying he hated playing out of the shotgun, which surprised me. That being said, this offense is built around the zone read so I would expect Dobbs to be perfectly comfortable with it by this point.
 
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Comfortable yes, but it still takes eyes off defenders.
If our WR were a little further along on timing consistency I wouldn't wory so much.
I do think our O line is good enough to make up for that with protection.
With Miz speed, any extra read time is a plus.
You are probably right, its just one of those naging things floating in the brain for me.
 
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I , not being a QB or high level athlete of any kind, would think that the Shotgun would tend to give more time to evaluate downfield coverages. The snap takes just a split second and dropping back would tend to cause one to lose focus down field.
 
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While we're at it, let's just revamp Butch and Coach Jake's offensive philosophies and run the pistol.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Right. You go to the gun in obvious passing situations so it's more difficult for your quarterback. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?
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You don't go to the gun in "obvious" passing situation.


Actually you can see the field better in the shotgun. (If you have a good center)

The only downside is a bad snap and you have to take the eyes of the field for .5 sec to take the snap, which only effects quick routes.
 
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Lets see what is easier... Running a 5-7 step drop while
trying to read the field or getting the ball snapped to you
to the exact spot... You are dead wrong on this... The shotgun has a lot of advantages over under center, all of them you listed as advantages for under center... It gives you space from the line quicker, Lets you get to your spot and eyes downfield quicker, etc... Why do you think the NFL
doesnt like drafting shotgun only qb's? Because its harder to go under center...
 
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VolenteerSpirit said:
Hope we see very limited Shotgun formations Saturday.
Young QBs tend to do better under center, with more time to read the D.
Taking the snap in shotgun takes the QB eyes off the D for about 2-3 seconds.
Miz DEs are very fast and are quicker to QB in shotgun.
I trust our OC, but have to admit am a bit nervous about that one thing.
The zone read is normlly ran from the gun, I just hope that doesn't bite us.
I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on drop?
Can all of our plays be ran from under center with. 2 or 3 step drop?
Dobbs having a fast release, helps with some concern, but its still bothering me a bit.
I'll hang up and listen.
GBO
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2-3 seconds??? The ball should be out in 3 seconds. Most QB's now catch the ball using their peripheral vision so they can still keep an eye on the safeties. It's a matter of preference for the QB's. Some like the gun, some like under.
 
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Being in the shotgun will actually benefit the QB against a good pass rush. First off he is going to catch the snap at more depth and then he can proceed into his drop. If the ends get up field he can easily step up inside the pocket.

Being under center only makes taking your drop and stepping up in the pocket more difficult.

By no means am I claiming to be an elite QB, but I did play QB in high school and I have coached QB's and WR's in 5 short years of coaching.

That being said, different coaches like different things and there will always be pros and cons to any style.
 
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VolenteerSpirit said:
Hope we see very limited Shotgun formations Saturday.
Young QBs tend to do better under center, with more time to read the D.
Taking the snap in shotgun takes the QB eyes off the D for about 2-3 seconds.
Miz DEs are very fast and are quicker to QB in shotgun.
I trust our OC, but have to admit am a bit nervous about that one thing.
The zone read is normlly ran from the gun, I just hope that doesn't bite us.
I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on drop?
Can all of our plays be ran from under center with. 2 or 3 step drop?
Dobbs having a fast release, helps with some concern, but its still bothering me a bit.
I'll hang up and listen.
GBO
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1. Playing under center is harder on a young qb. That's why a lot of NFL qb's don't work out. Because the footwork is so much easier in the gun. A 3 step drop under center, becomes catch and throw in the gun. A 5 step under center becomes a 3 step in the gun.

2. You see the field better from the gun.

3. 2-3 seconds? To catch the snap? The average play is over in 3-5 seconds.

4. You limit Dobbs in his ability to use his feet if you put him under center. In the gun he gets to run downhill at the defense.
 
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If you watched Dobbs' senior highlight tape, he was in the shotgun on almost every play. So he should be very comfortable in the gun. However, he'll be wherever coach Jake wants him to be depending on the play call.
 
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VolenteerSpirit said:
Comfortable yes, but it still takes eyes off defenders.
If our WR were a little further along on timing consistency I wouldn't wory so much.
I do think our O line is good enough to make up for that with protection.
With Miz speed, any extra read time is a plus.
You are probably right, its just one of those naging things floating in the brain for me.
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so any play action out of the center doesn't take your eyes off the defense? in fact its worse...your back is to the defense.
 
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From my past experience, the only thing that I like better under center is running the football. The scheme we ran in high school was spread, but we were under center just as much as we were in the gun. We ran and threw out of both gun and under, but I felt like we were always more successful running from under center.

We did have success with the zone read, but after a few games teams would always have an overhang player designed specifically to take the QB pull away.

I guess in all of that chatter is my preference to be able to go under center and play out of the gun. I just think it presents more options. Balance is key, for me! :)
 
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Thanks for all the comments.
I have limited QB experience.
The 2-3 sec is a maybe a little high in college ball.
I am speaking of off the ground to the QB, and the ball being secured ready to pass.
It takes 3 seconds to secure the ball and spike it to stop the clock.
2-3 is going to be about a half sec more than average.
In my limited experience, it was easier for me under center.
I found while I was dropping back I got a better idea of where everyone was going.
I also found that leading strong or weak in the drop back could help move LB. And get them cheating.
I do know for others they felt more stable in the gun.
As to the the being further from the defense, you are furter way in the gun.
I should have been more clear. If the defensive ends beat the edge, their angle and momentum take them to the QB faster in the gun.
Being that Miz DE are very fast, my reasoning was with my personal bias we would be better off under center.
Hope that better explains my reasoning.
Thanks for all the comments.
 
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Yeah, I believe it is commonly thought that throwing is usually easier in a shotgun based offense, which is why you often see systems where the QB throws the ball most of the time use shotgun most of the time, like what Mike Leach does and like what June Jones ran at Hawaii. The main downside to this, is that it usually hurts the running game because the blocking angles don't work as well and the defense doesn't have to worry much about play action, so they can react quicker to the run.
 
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utchs81 said:
I , not being a QB or high level athlete of any kind, would think that the Shotgun would tend to give more time to evaluate downfield coverages. The snap takes just a split second and dropping back would tend to cause one to lose focus down field.
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Completely agree.
 
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