Should College Athletes be Paid?

#26
#26
They get money, 53K for UT pays for 2 semesters of school , books, food, and room. If they come from a low income family, they can get Pell Grant, that's 3k-4k a semester, this does not have to be paid back. So they are bringing in approx. 60k a year and this doesn't include them taking summer classes, which adds about another 28k, so going yr. round they are making the equivalent of 90k to 100k a year, for out of state students. Numbers are less for in state.
So to say they aren't getting paid is ludicrous. Numbers vary depending on school and cost of tuition.

How many of you make that much and don't have the limited responsibility that they have for doing something they really enjoy?
 
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OrangeUaVol2 said:
They get money, 53K for UT pays for school , books, food, and room. If they come from a low income family, they can get Pell Grant, that's 3k-4k a semester, this does not have to be paid back. So they are bringing in approx. 60k a year and this doesn't include if they take summer classes which add about another 28k, so going yr. round they are making the equivalent of 90k to 100k a year, for out of state students. Numbers are less for in state.
So to say they aren't getting paid is ludicrous. Numbers vary depending on school and cost of tuition.
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$28K for UT summer classes, rent, and food??? :eek:hmy: Plus I'm skeptical about the $53K bit. That might well be true for other universities, though.

I agree on the options of grants and student loans, although there are a lot of problems with student loans. It's not just former student-athletes who don't make it in the pros who have terrible struggles trying to repay SL's. All of us who have kids in their twenties are sweating whether they'll be able to get (and keep) jobs with halfway-decent pay and health benefits, enough to live on, much less to start SL repayment.
 
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VolNExile said:
$28K for UT summer classes, rent, and food??? :eek:hmy: Plus I'm skeptical about the $53K bit. That might well be true for other universities, though.

I agree on the options of grants and student loans, although there are a lot of problems with student loans. It's not just former student-athletes who don't make it in the pros who have terrible struggles trying to repay SL's. All of us who have kids in their twenties are sweating whether they'll be able to get (and keep) jobs with halfway-decent pay and health benefits, enough to live on, much less to start SL repayment.
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I agree with you on the "sweating the repayment and employment" issues.

My kid is a freshman, and 8 years from now she should be finishing up Vet School. Fortunately, she has her UnderGrad paid for with an academic scholly. But the 4 years after that are going to hurt.

But these kids are getting a TON of money for the sport they are playing. And I understand the need to head out with friends and get a pizza, or to have a cell phone, or little things like that.

You also have to remember that not ALL of these kids come from broken homes, or underprivileged families. MOST of the kids out there come from homes that already afford a cell phone for the kid. And that already send him out for a pizza with friends occasionally.

If the kid has to take the 3 to 5k Student loan every year, that is not a huge amount of money to pay back.
 
#29
#29
Fair enough; I do see what you're saying.

And I have one graduating med school with a quarter million in SL debt. :sad:
 
#30
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VolNExile said:
Fair enough; I do see what you're saying.

And I have one graduating med school with a quarter million in SL debt. :sad:
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GAAAAH. That is crazy.

I have a friend back in MI that is an OB/GYN and is a High Risk Pregnancy Specialist.

He has a nice house. A couple nice cars. And his Student Loan payments and his malpractice insurance payments equal more than I make in a year. Scary.

Best of luck to your kid, much to be proud of there!!
 
#31
#31
No! Period...you give me a free education that's going to help me financially the rest of my life in one way or the other and i'll play sports...They are getting paid, it's just happens over the course of their lifetime.

GBO!
 
#32
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VolNExile said:
$28K for UT summer classes, rent, and food??? :eek:hmy: Plus I'm skeptical about the $53K bit. That might well be true for other universities, though.

I agree on the options of grants and student loans, although there are a lot of problems with student loans. It's not just former student-athletes who don't make it in the pros who have terrible struggles trying to repay SL's. All of us who have kids in their twenties are sweating whether they'll be able to get (and keep) jobs with halfway-decent pay and health benefits, enough to live on, much less to start SL repayment.
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The 53k is for 2 semesters at 25k per semester.
 
#33
#33
It would have to be equal at every school. Maybe compensation for the hours put in.

Again, title IX won't let this happen.
 
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OrangeUaVol2 said:
The 53k is for 2 semesters at 25k per semester.
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I think the original post stated $25K per year for out-of-state, not per semester.

I'm not trying to quibble about the dollar figure; I was just startled.

One thing that I rarely see, though, is the cost per student-athlete that figures in the costs of playing --uniforms, buses, plane tickets, hotel costs, coaches? field maintenance?? And so forth. I don't know if all that gets figured into the general tuition price for everyone or what.
 
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VolNExile said:
I think the original post stated $25K per year for out-of-state, not per semester.

I'm not trying to quibble about the dollar figure; I was just startled.

One thing that I rarely see, though, is the cost per student-athlete that figures in the costs of playing --uniforms, buses, plane tickets, hotel costs, coaches? field maintenance?? And so forth. I don't know if all that gets figured into the general tuition price for everyone or what.
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According to my daughters financial aid statement, $23k is the cost of one year instate, with miscellaneous spending added in. Out of state must be about double that.


Instate tuition for a place like Stanford, ND, or USC is over 200k, according to Forbes Mag.

Value of College Football Scholarship Exceeds $2 Million for College Football's Top 25 - Forbes
 
#37
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tvolsfan said:
It would have to be equal at every school. Maybe compensation for the hours put in.

Again, title IX won't let this happen.
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And it shouldn't happen. I know this may put me in the minority on this board, but I'm glad Title IX is there.
 
#38
#38
Be interesting to see how long it would take the first player to demand "play maker" money.
 
#41
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What would these kids have done if they lived back in the day when there were no cell phones, what did we do? Wait till we got to a phone and then made a phone call.
 
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OrangeUaVol2 said:
What would these kids have done if they lived back in the day when there were no cell phones, what did we do? Wait till we got to a phone and then made a phone call.
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My phone is like an extra appendage these days. Need a vacation to turn em off for a couple.
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#46
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BeecherVol said:
Be interesting to see how long it would take the first player to demand "play maker" money.
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Dbake005 said:
Not long, if that demand were in play.

I dunno how exactly it all could work.
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And that's the problem --if you're going to try to apply the near-mythical free market economy to college sports, it will be a mell of a hess to determine fair market value for each player. Plus what if a player shines on one team and would suck on another? That means the other players on the first team deserve more money.

And on and on.

Most 18-year-old males' bodies are still growing. (Some women, too.) And they sure haven't learned and mastered everything that they need to know to play at a pro level.

They need some form of apprenticeship, whether college or underpaid semi-pro, to develop to a true pro level. The 5 stars would be grossly overpaid until people realized how much more time they needed to cook.

And imagine how corrupt the "market" would get --some players would get way more money than their skills deserved, just because they got hot on the recruiting circuit. And you don't think that there would be a lot of crap going on by their handlers, looking for a percentage?
 
#47
#47
I just don't know if it would SOLVE the issue of paying players throughout the recruiting process.
Yes, it would slow down the fact that "these kids are busy all the time and don't have time to get a job," but that wouldn't change teams wanting them out of high school.

It would have to be uniform... same amount, same flexibility, with different athletes and different sports. And I don't know how much that solves.

The 'dirty' recruiting, in my opinion, doesn't stem from them "not having time to get a job during school." It stems from schools doing whatever it will take to get a guy. Sure, some of the illegal benefits have been so players could get by. And some have been so players get TO a certain campus.

I'm rambling. And typing this while trying to pretend I'm doing real work at work. But still.
 
#48
#48
I think you're generally on, but the bottom line is there is no easy way to pay a player. Most BCS programs are lucky just to break even, so it would be impossible to expect more than two or three dozen schools to generate the revenue needed to pull it off for the football team, let alone ten or twenty other sports. I can guarantee that would get enforced, that if football players got paid, everyone else would as well.

For whatever its worth, the NCAA has been appearing to do a hell of a lot of work in the way of paring down the rulebook to make things more efficient. I still think increased investigative powers for the NCAA and enforcement on the back end from the pro leagues is the only way to affect any serious change.
 
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milohimself said:
I think you're generally on, but the bottom line is there is no easy way to pay a player. Most BCS programs are lucky just to break even, so it would be impossible to expect more than two or three dozen schools to generate the revenue needed to pull it off for the football team, let alone ten or twenty other sports. I can guarantee that would get enforced, that if football players got paid, everyone else would as well.

For whatever its worth, the NCAA has been appearing to do a hell of a lot of work in the way of paring down the rulebook to make things more efficient. I still think increased investigative powers for the NCAA and enforcement on the back end from the pro leagues is the only way to affect any serious change.
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For starters, halfway through that post, I lost my train of thought and left the computer for a bit, so it went downhill a tad.

I agree with the bolded, big time. It will take effort from the NCAA even if it does mean "harming their own product" in a lot of cases. It just... got away from them in a big way. They sorta knew it, and it turned for the worse, and worse, and worse.

I just don't see where the line would be drawn for who gets what, making it all equal, not to mention the difference between what a Texas athlete gets paid compared to a tiny, public school.

Looking at the cost of 4 years of school as 'pay' should make anyone not feel too bad for athletes.
 
#50
#50
Yep. Total cost of attendance for out of state at places like Austin, Berkeley, SC, Ann Arbor, etc. is in the $45,000-60,000/year for f's sake.
 
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